Why Movies Suck Now Part Two: The Reality

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wildcard9

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As an English Major, I'd like to offer a different perspective and another reason:

No good stories and no discipline.

As children of the 90's we were raised with such animated greats such as Animaniacs, Batman The Animated Series, and Pinky and the Brain. Great animated series with sophisticated themes that proved that animation could be a mainstream success amongst any and all audiences. For some including me this translated into an interest in anime with such great series like Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell, and Trigun which also proved that Anime could be a mainstream success. What does the previous decade have to show for it? Michael Bay, Reality TV, and 4Kids.

It's enough to make you cry, isn't it?

Of course, there's a whole lot of factors such as the recent economic downturn and how special effects have taken priority. But that's because studios and producers decide to cut out writers and instead put in all their money in effects because that's all the "mainstream" audience wants: eye candy! That's the only reason why Bay still has a job. Star Wars was a great film but it brought about the precedent of mind-blowing effects and a relatively weak story.

Few films can strike the right balance between substance and style (The Dark Knight, Inception, District 9, etc.) and even fewer directors have the discipline to maintain that delicate balance (Nolan, Scott, Terentino, etc.) The rest? Either they've completely sold their souls to the dark gods of effects (Bay, again) or have turned their backs on good stories in the name of profit. Cameron used to defy gender conventions but now plays race conventions ("White Messiah" complex in Avatar, anyone?) straight. Zemeckis could make great great films on a shoestring effects budget but now has reversed the formula with soulless films with effects that are definitely on the wrong side of the Uncanny Valley. And Lucas? The less said the better.

The current and previous generations have been spoiled by visceral and epic visuals. Studios have responded in kind by giving them what they want. While I can't speak for the group, I can only hope that my generation, the 90's generation, can learn from the mistakes from your generation, the 80's generation, and hearken back to the cartoons we used to watch that gave us precedent on how to balance story and effects.

If anything else, I hope I can apply said discipline in my writing.
 
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HG131 said:
Well, we could deal with #4 by phasing out theathers, and quick question. Do you include yourself under those elitist snobs, or is it everyone but you? Because if you don't, well, that sounds pretty egotistical to me. Personally, I like intelligent movies, but I also like unintelligent ones. The Transformers films are the Painkiller or Saints Row 2 of movies. They aren't intelligent, they're fun. I don't go to see them to see a good plot, I go for giant robot fights that melt ILM computers.
Thats why I went to the Transformers films as well. But what I got was one or two sweet fights between robots, the rest of the movies were about the damn humans.
 

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Man, I should probably pay attention to some element of our culture that isn't video games at some point. Who the hell is Tyler Perry? I honstly don't ever remember hearing that name before.
Tyler Perry makes histrionic melodramas that are hugely popular with black American audiences and unwatched by practically everyone else. As you have an anime character as your avatar pic, I'm guessing you're pretty far outside that demographic.

Perry's movies are actually a notch above SATC and Twilight - at least they reflect a kind of auteur's vision. The others are crassly commercial cash-ins based on wish fulfillment.
 

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Movie Theaters, had it coming. (Insanely) overpriced food, barring people from openly bringing food from other places into the theater, ticket prices (given there is a reason for this) and the damned stupid recycle your 3D glasses so we can sell them back to you next time. I like the rest of the article, but theaters get no sympathy from me, though I'm probably biased because they attempted to card me when I tried to get tickets for up, claiming I needed physical state marked proof that I was over 18 to buy tickets for a G movie, that and well, the prices.
 

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Dubbing sucks no matter what. There is no A list cast, there is no technology that makes dubbing work.

Theaters are crapholes that should be using casino face recognition technology to keep out the cell phone users and people who talk during the movie. But they don't.

Movies always sucked but they sucked less when I was young and going to the movie was as much about hanging out with my idiot friends as it was seeing the picture.

That said I'm taking a special cross state trip and getting a hotel room to see Tron on a real IMAX screen.
 

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Well, time to throw in my two cents.

The thing I feel most critics overlook is that the art of storytelling has changed. In the "golden age" the only alternative to cinema was the theater or reading. Both require imagination. You could not be an actor on film without first getting your chops on the stage first. They were required to carry the scene without the help of special effects, large sets, or cgi (there are exceptions of course).
Today, the film has to hold the audiences hand through each step of the way, making sure we don't get lost and confused. People now go to movies to see the actor not the acting. And if you sit around after and talk about how great the special effects were (Avatar) the movie sucked (You not supposed to notice the really good special effects, like how a magic trick is done).
 

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I think what ruins movies and games these days are the necessity to make everything with gritty realism. Don't get me wrong this is not the same as intense violence. I like movies to be escapist pieces. I'm not so devoid of creativity to think everything needs to be set in present day New York.
I believe if you're going to make a superhero movie, pit them against super villains. I don't think they should be concerned about making it believable or realistic. And certainly not waste time on another generic crime boss villain either.
 

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Ok the fact that you actually say "you don't deserve to watch the movie" shows you're an elitist snob. I agree I fucking hate dubbing it always sounds terrible. So I watch subtitled versions. Let's face it most theaters won't have foreign films anyway so chances are you'll be waiting for the DVD so you'll have that option. Things like Avatar are going to be dubbed because well they're usually aired on channels like Nickelodeon so they're not going to alienate young kids (i.e. the majority of people who watch the channel).
I know I'm an elitist snob who scoffs at anyone unwilling to watch foreign movies, but that was partly a joke... I meant it like why even bother watching the movie if reading subtitles is too much work for you? The kind of people who don't want to do that are the kind of people who would rather watch Transformers 2 over Let the Right One In... Also, the Last Airbender is an American show; those are the real voice actors.
 

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Very good article, and I agree with most of it. But if that's the case, Bob, then you're part of the problem, especially on points 3 and 6. But hey, I give you props for you to be brave enough to come out and admit it. Because yes, there are many times in your reviews when you do act like an elitist snob, espcially with regards to the Transformers and Twilight series (And could you please take some time out to explain just what the hate is behind Tyler Perry? I've never seen his movies, mainly because I'm not his target audience. But what I know of him doesn't seem to justify the vitriol you're lobbing in his direction. So what's the deal?)

If you do indeed acknowledge that the majority of movies aren't good, then really, stop bemoaning the quality of movies these days and just accept that as a part of life. Not everything has to be high cinema. Yes, it's nice when we get an Inception every once in a while, and I really liked that movie too. But just because you didn't like Transformers or Twilight doesn't mean it's worthless. Somebody likes those movies. Hell, I'll openly admit to liking the first Transformers film, and I'm sure you'll recall that I have. But I don't believe that it's a reflection on my IQ. Sometimes I just like to sit back and watch a movie that's lightweight entertainment. I see nothing wrong with that. No, the second one wasn't good, but not for the same reasons you've said (in short I blame the writer's strike).

My point being, just as there's enough room in the world for haute cuisine and McDonald's, there's equally enough room for both really good movies and average to bad ones. I don't think it marks the decline of civilization that these movies exist like you and some others think it does. As you've pointed out, there have always been bad movies, and for that matter there will always be good ones. The world will go on. The more things change, the more they stay the same, as they say.
 

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Doug said:
MovieBob said:
Why Movies Suck Now Part Two: The Reality

MovieBob shares the real reasons that movies suck these days.

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A few points and questions...

Re: Point 3 - I don't go to the cinema's much as a) I lack many real world friends who want to see the geeky movies I like, and b) everything you said in point 4 - that said, I did make the effort for District 9 and Kick Ass.

I would personally prefer it if going to see a movie alone wasn't such an unpleasant experience, in that you get alot of looks and the like from the other movie goers, but anywho...

Re: Point 5 - Who's Tyler Perry?

Re: Point 6 - Actually, yeah, this is very true for virtually every product humanity as ever produced. In fact, I wonder if the only caveman paintings that survive were made by the Uwe Bolle's of the day and in fact much better examples where lost to history.
Who is Tyler Perry you ask? Well, he is a well known actor/comedian. Personally, I don't think he is funny at all, but that's just me. He's the main character on the show Tyler Perry's House of Payne; obviously since his name is in the title.
 

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Nothing's ever perfect. The only ideal that comes close is Engineering, and even then it's pretty contemporary. Look at any structre around you: any structure. Chances are 100% that the building you're looking at was designed with a safe lifespan between 40-90 years, after which point it would be regarded as outdated for either an overhaul, or demolition.
Every single one.
 

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I don't know who Tyler Perry is either but Boondocks had a satire/parody of him and his films- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pause_(The_Boondocks) >_>
 

Plinglebob

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I agree with everything in the article except number 2 and I would like to thank this thread for proving number 3 correct.

With regards to number 2, this is less "Mainstream Audiences are Idiots" and more "Film-makers think the mainstream audience are bigger idiots then they actually are" The film makers think that the mainstream can't handle anything more complicated then "Setup, explosion, kissing, explosion, sex scene, BIGGEST EXPLOSION EVA!!!!, End credits" but if they gave the audience more credit, they'll find they can.

However, I think the biggest problem is, as Sturryz said, films just arn't as fun as they used to be. This is both in terms of watching it, and whether the actors seem to be enjoying making it. Nowadays films keep trying to be somber and realistic. The reason I go and watch a film, play a game or read a book is because LIFE is somber and realistic and I'm bored with it so want something to distract me from it. I've watched 3 new films this week: Inception, Toy Story 3 and The A-Team and the film I enjoyed the most was the A-Team by a mile.

I thought Inception was a great film, wonderful to look at, great plot and top-notch acting. Sadly, the only guy who seemed to be having any sort of fun was the forger. Everyone else seemed to be under the belief that True Art Is Angsty [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TrueArtIsAngsty] which made it less enjoyable to watch.

In Toy Story 3 they seemed to forget they were making a kids (I'm sorry, Family) film and in turn forgot the funny. Toy Story 2 is one of my favourite Pixar films because it had a good combination of both humour and story but in TS3 they ramped up the story and left out the fun.

However, with the A-Team film it seemed like the makers saw the line in the sand that was drawn by Bourne saying "Action films must be grim, grey realistic" though Fuck That and set up camp about a 1/2 mile passed it. It felt like they started off with a blank board and just stuck up ideas that would be entertaining to watch and then built the story around it. This is helped by the fact that every single cast memeber seems to be having the time of their life filming it.

This is the sort of fun people have always gone to the cinema to see and I'm hoping its a big success so we can go back to late 80s and early 90s which bought us things like Back to the Future.

Oh, and I also thought Big Fat Greek Wedding was fairly good.

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Anarchemitis said:
Nothing's ever perfect. The only ideal that comes close is Engineering, and even then it's pretty contemporary. Look at any structre around you: any structure. Chances are 100% that the building you're looking at was designed with a safe lifespan between 40-90 years, after which point it would be regarded as outdated for either an overhaul, or demolition.
Every single one.
Come to Europe and we'll prove you wrong.
 

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I was interested by his dubbing comment. I hate dubs. I HATE dubs. I can't watch a dubbed movie because it completely ruins the film for me. I can understand how people might argue that anime can be dubbed (since its a cartoon) but as someone who watches shitloads of anime I've found English dubbing to be almost universally awful. Even "good" dubs are inferior to the original so I see no reason in watching them. What usually happens though is they get mediocre voice actors to try and match the lips, which were meant to sync with Japanese, not English, and they end up speaking awkwardly and devoid of the proper emotions to compensate.

That's just anime though. Dubbed LIVE ACTION movies are inexcusable. You can kind of pretend the lips sync if its a cartoon but with real actors it looks incredibly stupid.

Anyway tl;dr, fuck dubs.
I have to disagree about anime dubs in at least three specifics. The Japanese voices for Ghost in the SHell, S.A.C. are awful, the American voice actors did a much better job and I simply cannot watch that show subtitled anymore. Secondly, Cowboy Bebop holds up very well with the dub job and I have absolutely no problems with it. Finally, most Miyazaki films have great dub jobs and in some cases (Princess Mononoke for example) the English dub is my preferred version.
 

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bojac6 said:
snowman6251 said:
I was interested by his dubbing comment. I hate dubs. I HATE dubs. I can't watch a dubbed movie because it completely ruins the film for me. I can understand how people might argue that anime can be dubbed (since its a cartoon) but as someone who watches shitloads of anime I've found English dubbing to be almost universally awful. Even "good" dubs are inferior to the original so I see no reason in watching them. What usually happens though is they get mediocre voice actors to try and match the lips, which were meant to sync with Japanese, not English, and they end up speaking awkwardly and devoid of the proper emotions to compensate.

That's just anime though. Dubbed LIVE ACTION movies are inexcusable. You can kind of pretend the lips sync if its a cartoon but with real actors it looks incredibly stupid.

Anyway tl;dr, fuck dubs.
I have to disagree about anime dubs in at least three specifics. The Japanese voices for Ghost in the SHell, S.A.C. are awful, the American voice actors did a much better job and I simply cannot watch that show subtitled anymore. Secondly, Cowboy Bebop holds up very well with the dub job and I have absolutely no problems with it. Finally, most Miyazaki films have great dub jobs and in some cases (Princess Mononoke for example) the English dub is my preferred version.
I'd have to agree, besides while dubbing may be better on the whole it's also an acquired taste. Also, if you've never laughed because of a horribly dubbed Kung Fu movie then you have no true sense of humor.