Why not 18?
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Not true. You can join the army at 16 but you can't "die for your country" because you are restricted to non combat roles in the homeland. You can't be deployed and you can't be in an area where there is any real sort of danger.Red Right Hand said:
You can join the army at 16 in many, many countries. You can join the army at 17 in the USA.Dags90 said:
But you are correct - people under 18 are completely safe and don't get much of a chance to die for their country.
Not true, you can't be deployed on operations until your 18. But I firmly believe that the enlistment age should be increased, talking to other squaddies that have left the ones who joined from school struggle more with everyday life outside the services than the rest of us.Red Right Hand said:
They just never had any other life experience and spent some of the most sensitive years for mental development in a very unusual culture.
There are very good reasons to limit activities like drinking until in the early twenties. Our brains are only fully developed at around 23-25 and most of us don't start to develop our individual personality until truly independent of family , say when starting working or moving off to collage\uni.
Studies show that until about 21 people are very easily influenced and if those influences are around once our brains are fully formed they can be very hard behaviours to alter later in life.
As for porn the reasoning runs that it's not representative of normal sex and can give you some pretty odd ideas better to actually do it first so you know when porn is just showing off. yeah it think that's bull too.
The real upside those sorts of laws, though, is they give us some rules to break in our teens that no-one gives a toss about.
I never understood that either. It's 21 to drink and gamble in MD but 15 and 9 months for the learners and, 18 for cigarettes...17 to see an R rated movie by yourself but depending on the people who sell tickets, 18 and, if you're with underage friends you can't buy their ticket unless you're 21 (once again, this is if the guy behind the counter is a dick or, ***** respectively)
It seems arbitrary to me but, what do I know.
It seems arbitrary to me but, what do I know.
Some states? I'd like to know where you live cause i'm pretty sure its all states.Gunner_Guardian said:I never got why the US drinking age in some states is 21 either. It means I can't drink if I visit.
*cracks open a beer in calgary*
It's 18 here.
Same idea with gambling, though I've never gotten the appeal of gambling though. An 18 year old should have the right to waste his money in the same ways of everyone else
O.T. Thing is the drinking age is 21 and if you go into a casino normally the house will provide you with drinks and you can't really do that if you let 18 yr olds in.
Homestaying in America for a while, I've noticed that teenagers are less inclined to drink over there.
It's like the entire mentality of 'close enough is good enough'is postponed. When the drinking age is 18, people start drinking at 15. When it's 21, they start drinking at 18.
So I've actually noticed that it's a bit better (well, certainly more healthy) over there then here in Oz, where the age is 18.
Anyway, interesting stuff to think about.
It's like the entire mentality of 'close enough is good enough'is postponed. When the drinking age is 18, people start drinking at 15. When it's 21, they start drinking at 18.
So I've actually noticed that it's a bit better (well, certainly more healthy) over there then here in Oz, where the age is 18.
Anyway, interesting stuff to think about.
I never had problems when I visited the US as an 18/19 year old, buying or drinking alcohol, or getting into nightclubs. People looked at my Canadian I.D., and assumed that because I could drink in my home province (coincidentally, also Alberta), that there was absolutely no issue with my purchasing or consuming alcohol.Gunner_Guardian said:I never got why the US drinking age in some states is 21 either. It means I can't drink if I visit.
*cracks open a beer in calgary*
It's 18 here.
Same idea with gambling, though I've never gotten the appeal of gambling though. An 18 year old should have the right to waste his money in the same ways of everyone else
Legally, I'm not certain that they were actually right, but it didn't seem to make a lick of difference, regardless.
I have no idea why age limits are in place on anything. Well, actually, it is a maturity issue. But, some things that you are able to do at younger ages require you to be more mature than most of the things that you have to wait for. Examples: Driving vs. Gambling - While driving, you could kill someone, gambling can only hurt you. I guess it could hurt your family as well, but that is a different issue all together.
He said Calgary. So my guess the state he lives in is Alberta.WrcklessIntent said:Some states? I'd like to know where you live cause i'm pretty sure its all states.Gunner_Guardian said:I never got why the US drinking age in some states is 21 either. It means I can't drink if I visit.
*cracks open a beer in calgary*
It's 18 here.
Same idea with gambling, though I've never gotten the appeal of gambling though. An 18 year old should have the right to waste his money in the same ways of everyone else
O.T. Thing is the drinking age is 21 and if you go into a casino normally the house will provide you with drinks and you can't really do that if you let 18 yr olds in.
And by state I mean Province.
And by that i mean he is a Canadian.
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From what i have managed to gleam from legal talks between co-workers the drinking age, gambling, all that crap is based off the age of majority. Alberta's drinking age is 18. BC, where i live, is 19 which is the age of majority in my province.
It might be different in the states. You know, since they are different countries and all.
Deaths in the U.S. from alcohol (2001-2005): 57,428 [https://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/ardi/Report.aspx?T=AAM&P=f214cf69-cad7-496f-ace2-2a09b9d6a126&R=804296a0-ac47-41d3-a939-9df26a176186&M=E2769A53-0BFC-453F-9FD7-63C5AA6CE5D7].
Coalition military Deaths from the Iraqi and Afghanistan wars (2001-2010): 6,872 [http://icasualties.org/]
Of course, there are more drinkers than there are soldiers, but that's getting more complicated than I care to get into. The point is that alcohol is more dangerous than you think because it is one of the few things where you can directly put other people in danger. Drinking and driving being the most prolific example, but it's not hard to imagine a drunk person doing something stupid that injures or kills a sober person.
I think that age limits exist primarily because governments are trying to ensure a certain maturity and responsibility in citizens who undertake various activities. U.S. citizens are quite irresponsible when it comes to alcohol, thus our drinking age is set higher in the hopes that by the time someone reaches 21, they're not total dumbasses anymore. It's clearly not working though, as underage people and dumbasses drink all the time.
As for the OP's question: they probably don't want you in the casinos if you can't order their expensive drinks.
Coalition military Deaths from the Iraqi and Afghanistan wars (2001-2010): 6,872 [http://icasualties.org/]
Of course, there are more drinkers than there are soldiers, but that's getting more complicated than I care to get into. The point is that alcohol is more dangerous than you think because it is one of the few things where you can directly put other people in danger. Drinking and driving being the most prolific example, but it's not hard to imagine a drunk person doing something stupid that injures or kills a sober person.
I think that age limits exist primarily because governments are trying to ensure a certain maturity and responsibility in citizens who undertake various activities. U.S. citizens are quite irresponsible when it comes to alcohol, thus our drinking age is set higher in the hopes that by the time someone reaches 21, they're not total dumbasses anymore. It's clearly not working though, as underage people and dumbasses drink all the time.
As for the OP's question: they probably don't want you in the casinos if you can't order their expensive drinks.
I'm pretty sure it has to do with young drivers. In public places like bars clubs etc. you assumingly drive home (American cities are more automobile-oriented,) and there is scientific evidence that kids are more inclined to injure themselves or others while driving. Which I won't argue, because I've seen some shitty teen drivers out there. Ones who don't even deserve a license. Add the possibility of them being slightly drunk as well...
That being said, the drinking law doesn't bother people much at all since you can get drunk to your heart's desire at private places. Actually, it bothers me a little when I see middle school kids downing shots of hard liquor, but I blame the parents for that, not society.
That being said, the drinking law doesn't bother people much at all since you can get drunk to your heart's desire at private places. Actually, it bothers me a little when I see middle school kids downing shots of hard liquor, but I blame the parents for that, not society.