Why so few games in 1080p?

[Leg End]

When it comes at the cost of performance, I'd rather have the graphics take a shit. <.<

Hmmm... I still haven't replaced my 3 year old ATI 4350 GPU which I got new for about $50. I've to run everything at 800x600 these days so that it doesn't lag. I'm having a personal bet with myself about how long this bastard is going to last. Very possibly till the end of this year... &nbsp

Yes. Poor PC gamers with budget PCs do exist.

Brofist for budget bro.

Spoiler: WAPAA

 

[RA92]

Spoiler: WAPAA

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I get to be Mew. No argument!

 

[Leg End]

Spoiler: WAPAA

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I get to be Mew. No argument!

Mew it is.

Or rather, you are. XD

 

[Sovvolf]

Probably because our current gen consoles are using hardware that is at the very least 5 years old... I hope they bring out a new gen soon enough instead of trying to stretch this one out any longer. Be nice to see what console games would look like with current hardware and it would probably benefit the P.C gamers too.

 

[HerbertTheHamster]

It's because consoles are about as powerful as an Iphone

Also: 2560x1600 master race.

 

[Artemicion]

the Xbox 360 is 720p native. I dunno about the PS3.

 

[Leg End]

the Xbox 360 is 720p native. I dunno about the PS3.

Also native, if not less so.

GTA IV for example, is 640p upscaled to 720p, yet somehow looks nicer than it's 360 counterpart.

Though, that is subjective. :/

 

[CCountZero]

I'm not speaking for OP, but both monitors and high end video cards add up to be really expensive.

I know this could end up being a really long discussion, but as an owner of a PS2, PS3, Xbox, Xbox360 and a high-end gaming PC, I have to stress that you get what you pay for.

For the sake of argument, lets say I paid 2k for my 360, 3k for my PS3

At least 2.5k goes straight off the PC, because that is what it would have cost me to get an internet-only PC, so that ends up at 7.5k (And yes, the PS3 can surf the net, but dude?)

Now, the prices of games on the three current-gen systems is about 400 for the 360, 500 for the PS3 and 200-250 for the PC

This means that, given enough game buys, the PC will easily end up being the least expensive.

At the same time, you get all the stuff that everyone always mentions, so I won't.


The most valid argument against PC-gaming I have encountered is "But my sofa is comfy", which is actually a pretty damn good argument.

But "PC gaming is expensive!" is just not good enough, 'cus it's not neccesarily true.

 

[Artemicion]

the Xbox 360 is 720p native. I dunno about the PS3.

Also native, if not less so.

GTA IV for example, is 640p upscaled to 720p, yet somehow looks nicer than it's 360 counterpart.

Though, that is subjective. :/

Well. I think the main thing to take is that no games will be true 1080p/i(/g), just upscaled 720p.
(Not that I'm surprised about the GTAIV 640p thing at all. I think that is one of the ugliest games on the systems.)

So the question becomes, if everything just gets upscaled from 720p, what exactly is the point of having a higher resolution television?

 

[masticina]

I wouldn't put it on the GPU's ..or even the Processing power oh no.

I put it on that both the Xbox 360 and the PS3 have each about 512Mbyte of memory.

Even if their GPU is able to handle more, their CPU's are able to stream better.. with only 512Mbyte of usuable memory very little gets done.

So choices have to be made, do you want a game with great graphics in full HD? Possible.. sacrifice something else. Do you have a game that has great action scenes, beautiful areas that you fully can explore? You are going for 720p!

That pretty much is the story. FF XIII for instance beautiful, but you can't go anywhere!

 

[Leg End]

So the question becomes, if everything just gets upscaled from 720p, what exactly is the point of having a higher resolution television?

Actually, there are games that are 1080p native, or at least seem so. But, they are primarily downloadable games. Such as Scott Pilgrim vs. The World: The Game(You just lost ).

Primarily, Blu-Rays with consoles making the game still look nice on bigger TVs at higher resolutions. :/

But, then again, if I cared about resolutions, I wouldn't be playing games in what is basically 240p.

 

[Leg End]

So choices have to be made, do you want a game with great graphics in full HD? Possible.. sacrifice something else. Do you have a game that has great action scenes, beautiful areas that you fully can explore? You are going for 720p!

That pretty much is the story. FF XIII for instance beautiful, but you can't go anywhere!

Tiny flaw with that... Final Fantasy XIII is in 720p. Technically.

On the PS3, the gameplay is 720p upscaled to 1080p, with cutscenes being native 1080p.

On the 360 however, the gameplay is in something like 576p or something similar, upscaled to 720p, which, if outputting in 1080p, is upscaled even further to 1080p, with the 360's built in ability, costing zero resources. Not sure about the cutscenes though. :/ I assume they are in 720p.

So, you can actually blame FF XIII being linear on Sqeenix just making it that way.

 

[qeinar]

Playing in pc i can't really say i have this issue.. : p

 

[qeinar]

Has anyone else notice this? There's no way I am shelling out money for a playstation move when they can't even put my games in high res. Why did I pay for this huge expensive tv if they can't even give me games that utilize it? Now they want me to buy a 3d tv? I don't think so.

Your playing on a Console, Get a PC. Enjoy resolutions above 1080P.
Problem solved.

I'm not speaking for OP, but both monitors and high end video cards add up to be really expensive.

you don't need high end for better than 1080p. : p i had better resolution on the pc i bought 6 years ago. ^^ could run 1440p on computers now, all you really need is a monitor for it.

 

[bossdirge]

Hardware limitations.
You'd be a fool to think otherwise.

 

[qeinar]

I'm not speaking for OP, but both monitors and high end video cards add up to be really expensive.

I know this could end up being a really long discussion, but as an owner of a PS2, PS3, Xbox, Xbox360 and a high-end gaming PC, I have to stress that you get what you pay for.

For the sake of argument, lets say I paid 2k for my 360, 3k for my PS3

At least 2.5k goes straight off the PC, because that is what it would have cost me to get an internet-only PC, so that ends up at 7.5k (And yes, the PS3 can surf the net, but dude?)

Now, the prices of games on the three current-gen systems is about 400 for the 360, 500 for the PS3 and 200-250 for the PC

This means that, given enough game buys, the PC will easily end up being the least expensive.

At the same time, you get all the stuff that everyone always mentions, so I won't.


The most valid argument against PC-gaming I have encountered is "But my sofa is comfy", which is actually a pretty damn good argument.

But "PC gaming is expensive!" is just not good enough, 'cus it's not neccesarily true.

I agree. i recently bought an xbox to play with some friends and since buying a tv for it would be waste of cash i just decided to use my pc moniotr, which well cost me quite a bit in cables. o.o' anyways since i don't really have a sofa (beeing a student i live in a pretty small apratment..) i'm not always that comfy when i play, even though i could play from bed, but playing an fps from 2.5 meters away from a pc monitor really fucks with my aim, so i usally end up in the pc chair anyways. so for me the comfy argument doesn't really do it, although if i did invest in a tv and a couch, which i could buy about 2 pretty sick pcs for i would probably sitt comfy..

 

[zehydra]

I'd hate to turn this into a PC elitism thread, but yeah, this is one of the reasons I love PC gaming. I get 1080 p games and its fantastic.

 

[RicoADF]

Because not all TVs use the highest standard for TV output, therefore game engines aren't always made to be capable of it- even though 1080p @ 60fps (or 120fps for 3D) is still less demanding than most newer PC gaming rigs.

The most common employment of HD formatting is HD 720p. It's even the default for HD on Youtube.

1080p is a lot harder to stream than it is to render, so that's why it isn't normally available on Youtube. Consoles have no excuse. Well, they do...they just aren't powerful enough to play certain games in 1080p with any sort of decent quality settings. Which is why I'm really surprised it's taking so long to move on to the next generation. The vast majority of TVs are capable of higher resolutions than our consoles are, and this is the first time that has ever happened.

Id say its more to do with cost than capabilities, the games that usually have it are those published by Sony which have the funding to do the high quality, while other game companies cant afford the higher resolutions for 1 system (afaik the xbox doesn't support 1080p).

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

Lol? Tell me where I said
'PC's are the best gaming platform'

Okay then:

I know PC is better

You clearly stated that PC's are better. Better than what I wonder? I'm gonna go out on a leg here and say consoles cause they're the only two horses in this race. Therefore you were clearly saying that PC's are better than the alternative (consoles) and are therefore better best choice. (I'm not twisting your words, just showing you the deeper meaning)

Kudos, you just made a complete ass out of yourself

Friend, I wouldn't be able to do any worse than you considering its only your first week.

If there's one thing about console gaming it's that you don't think your gaming platform of choice is superior to all others

You can't stop console wars but while I see 360 vs. PS3 all the time, it's never surprising to see people calming everything is inferior to the PC.

Are you just.....trolling or stupid. Imma roll the dice here and take a bet.

For your sake, I suggest not taking a gamble. It could turn out bad for you. Trust me when I say getting banned is nothing to laugh about.

Would it really hurt to say something nice about the 360 or PS3? In console wars (at least here on Th Escapist) people tend to explain the advantages and disadvantages of each while I see you and plenty of others not even considering that there's anything good about console gaming. Just, say something nice about console gaming instead of spouting the regular bullshit about why PC's are the best. Compare and contrast reasons why people prefer their platform of choice and maybe you'll see what I'm getting at.

Check the join date of the person you're arguing with. I think you'll find they joined this March. We all know that means a couple of things. The big one being, you're wasting your time.

 

[Artemicion]

Actually, there are games that are 1080p native, or at least seem so. But, they are primarily downloadable games. Such as Scott Pilgrim vs. The World: The Game(You just lost ).

But if the Xbox is a native 720p platform wouldn't any games made in 1080 be re-sized for 720 and then re-upscaled?

Primarily, Blu-Rays with consoles making the game still look nice on bigger TVs at higher resolutions. :/

Forgot about Blu-Rays. Good point.

But, then again, if I cared about resolutions, I wouldn't be playing games in what is basically 240p.

hi5