Why so much hate for consoles?

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MorphingDragon

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Because they don't have steam sales or GOG.

Because they enable practices that have made the industry become toxic.

Because self repair is near impossible.

Because games are limited to what their creators can be bothered for.

Because consoles severely restrict the playable lifespan of a game.
 

AuronFtw

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yesbag said:
I like consoles as well and enjoy some games on PC. But by no means is one "superior" to the other - just different.
Unfortunately, that's just flat wrong. On the one hand, you have a console, marred by proprietary hardware and software both available for a ton of money and rarely any cheaper - because a single company literally owns every aspect of the console and charges what they want with no competition in their market bubble. Consoles also feature long load times, disc swapping, and the same painful update process that *used to be* unique to PCs. Updating the console firmware, updating the games via patches, updating DLC which sometimes happens separately, updating kinect firmware, etc, and if you're still awake 30 minutes later, you can maybe even play a game. But on that topic, the games you play are very limited; you have an insanely small library of games, most of which are only playable on that gen of console and not compatible with older gens or newer gens, specifically to force you to either re-buy them or buy new versions of them when the next console comes out in an attempt to wrangle money out of your wallet for as little effort as possible. Literally the only "pro" to consoles anymore is the fact that some of them occasionally hold a franchise or title hostage, forcing you to put up with all the other bullshit the consoles bring with it in order to enjoy that one game or franchise. And that's hardly a "pro."

On the other hand, you have PCs; which have the single biggest games library of any singular gaming system, stretching all the way back to the 90s, and most of which are still playable today with very little effort (some take more than others, but it's incredibly rare to find a game that's literally impossible to get to work on any current gen OS). On top of that you have game mods, stretching from basic cheat options to console commands in Bethesda games to literal game mods that add countless hours of content to already great games like Baldur's Gate, any given Elder Scrolls game, and also recently Fallouts. And the vast majority of these mods are free and easy to install!

On top of that, PCs are a very open market. Microsoft owns the OS, but the individual components and what software you use is completely up to you. You can choose based on preference, loyalty to a brand or company, who gives the best prices, etc. I mean seriously; compare the variety of Xbox controllers available to the variety of keyboards and mice available. And that's just one tiny aspect of the freedom of choice that PCs offer; it extends to every component inside the tower to where you buy your games. And I don't even have to talk about how steam and gog are vastly better sales centers than pretty much anything available to consoles (protip; they are).

Building a brand new PC can be pricy; a PC with a good monitor, keyboard, mouse, headset etc costs about as much as a console with controllers, headset, games, etc (which is a considerable chunk of money). It's completely folly to say they're flat more expensive, though; it's possible to build a $2000 PC, but you don't "need" to for gaming. You can match a console for less than 1k, and anything above that is accoutrements or flat superiority in hardware.

Powerful PCs can also emulate, with very little effort, entire generations of older systems and consoles. Adding onto the already insanely beefy PC library comes PS1, PS2, GBC, GBA, Gamecube, and old Sega systems. The fact that you can't pick up a PS1 game and pop it into a PS3, but you can play them just fine on PC is honestly mindboggling to me. It's like console developers literally have their heads up their asses.

Lastly, and this sort of ties in to my previous point about a single company holding the reigns on your system... You know the whole Xbone fiasco? Where a single company said a very resounding "fuck you" to every single potential consumer, detailing all the ways they'd lose basic consumer rights in the name of Microsoft's profits? The only way you can deal with a situation like that on a console is to not buy it, at all; because you have no control over your system and are at the complete mercy of single company. One who, in this case, cares so little about their customers that they're willing to piss all over them for a buck. Who is willing to mandate a 24/7 camera and microphone built into the system specifically to gather marketing data [http://www.oxm.co.uk/57592/xbox-one-is-built-for-advertising-but-microsoft-will-protect-the-user-from-any-sort-of-abuse] to sell to other companies. One who was willing to mandate every-day online check-ins in a ham-handed attempt to reduce piracy. One who was willing to put needless, overly complicated restrictions on used games simply to make more money at the cost of convenience to the users.

That kind of bullshit is impossible for a company to pull on PC, simply because of competition. If one company tried to mandate unreasonable practices on its customers, they'd simply leave and go to a less shitty service. That's why services like Steam are so well received; because instead of trying to fuck its consumers over with 24/7 cameras and microphones, they build trust over the years, offer us deals on quality games, and even let us play our games completely offline despite steam itself being a DRM service. They realized that the best way to take off in a competitive environment was to be competitive; not force draconian bullshit DRM down everyone's throats in an attempt to make that extra dollar.

That is why consoles are, and will be for the foreseeable future, inferior to PCs. Lack of customizability, lack of options, lack of control, and lack of true competition for the company who holds the reigns leads to a terribly inferior gaming experience to that offered by a PC. It's got very little to do with "personal taste"; because if personal taste was actually a problem for you, you would have been a PC gamer already.

Consoles offer nothing that PCs cannot, and usually do so for more money and with less goodwill toward consumers. The last bastion of consoles existing at all, exclusive titles, is the thin lifeline keeping the unsustainable ship of console gaming from finally sinking into the abyss where it belongs. Everything else those companies are doing now is attempting to keep a chokehold on their customers, punishing them for the developers' bad decisions and inability to make and market a game for reasonable amounts of money. Continuing to buy into the console market is giving them a leash already tied to your neck, and they can yank it any which way they please. If you want to game without a leash, it's time to step up to the PC tier.
 

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You can put together a completely serviceable computer for $600. Your prices are way out there. If you already own a computer that is less than 4 years old you can probably just buy a $150 video card and have a great gaming rig.

In any case consoles are fine but I think a lot of older games just don't have the time for two platforms. That is what it is like for me at least. Since I love my computer and use it for a ton of other stuff I game on it too and I haven't bought a console since the Dreamcast and PS2.

So buy consoles if you want, there is nothing wrong with that at all, but some of us just have the time to focus on one platform and the PC has a lot of positives that attract us.
 

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AuronFtw said:
yesbag said:
I like consoles as well and enjoy some games on PC. But by no means is one "superior" to the other - just different.
Unfortunately, that's just flat wrong. -snip-
While I agree with just about everything you said you could have been a little more diplomatic. This kind of comment is where the whole "PC elitist" meme comes from.
 

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Well, I don't hate consoles themselves nor those who play them. No, my hatred lies in the controller. Haha. Seriously, I just can't use controllers and be comfortable. I'd probably get a console if there was keyboard and mouse support. Alas, I doubt that will ever occur, so..

Anyone who genuinely hates people who play on a console is an idiot with fucked-up priorities. That's how I see it. At the end of the day, these are video games, nothing more. Nothing overtly serious, or worth getting up in arms about.
 

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In regards to low-res textures, do I need to have some sort of trained eye to see the difference between pc and console? I didn't really see a mind boggling difference between crysis 2 on xbox and pc.
 

WouldYouKindly

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Consoles started out as a cheaper, more accessible and worry free way to game. All they've got now is that they're slightly cheaper than a basic gaming PC(mine cost about 600 USD). PC gaming is easier than ever with steam existing as it does now, has free online play on every game but subscription based MMOs, and most importantly is incapable of trying to pull the shit MS tried to pull with the Xbone.

Right now, consoles are highly restricted, fairly mediocre PCs for not enough less money to justify that. You can do anything you want with a PC. You can change settings beyond the cosmetic. You can overclock the processor and the graphics card if you've got the proper ventilation to handle the extra heat. You can mod because PC makers don't hard code software restrictions into the OS... except Apple.(no one should seriously game on a Mac anyway)

Finally, the lack of a PC used market means nothing to me due to the prevalence of digital distribution and the massive sales and deals they tend to have. At any given moment, I can find a solid game for under 20 bucks on Steam, Greenman, Gamer's Gate, or GOG.
 

Amir Kondori

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I'll tell you who I hate. All the assholes who talk about who much "consoles own PC's" or "PC's destroy consoles"

Those people are people with low self esteem who have to seek constant validation that they are making socially acceptable decisions. Those are the people who make internet forums a less pleasant place to be. Those are the people who should not be allowed to procreate.
 

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Amir Kondori said:
AuronFtw said:
yesbag said:
I like consoles as well and enjoy some games on PC. But by no means is one "superior" to the other - just different.
Unfortunately, that's just flat wrong. -snip-
While I agree with just about everything you said you could have been a little more diplomatic. This kind of comment is where the whole "PC elitist" meme comes from.
This is where I see the "console hate." It seems that people just are so flat out angry about it.
 

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Well personally, I hate people that think you need to spend $2000 or even $1300 to play games on PC. You can put together a competent rig for $500, the cost of the new Xbox. Sure, it might cut some corners, but it should be able to play things on medium-high for years. Even prebuilt desktops/laptops can be decent at gaming for around $700... while that might be more upfront, remember that we don't have to pay $60 a year for online. So yeah, I hate people with this preconception that you need to be rich to game on PC; it just so happens that most people that think this play exclusively on consoles.

Why do I hate consoles? Because they're not PCs... well... they technically are with the newest generation... but without good hardware, customization options, Steam, freedom, etc. etc.
 

Amir Kondori

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BleedingPride said:
Amir Kondori said:
AuronFtw said:
yesbag said:
I like consoles as well and enjoy some games on PC. But by no means is one "superior" to the other - just different.
Unfortunately, that's just flat wrong. -snip-
While I agree with just about everything you said you could have been a little more diplomatic. This kind of comment is where the whole "PC elitist" meme comes from.
This is where I see the "console hate." It seems that people just are so flat out angry about it.
It's the internet, everyone is angry about everything. 6.5 for Dragon's Crown? ANGRY! Anita Sarkeesian video came out? ANGRY! Someone said consoles have terrible graphics and controls? ANGRY! Someone said PC's cost too much and are hard to get running? ANGRY!

Sometimes I don't think I would mind everyone's real name and picture being tied to every post they make on the internet. Somehow I feel some of that stuff, at least the worst of it, would evaporate into the ether.
 

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Because the console gamer is a filthy, filthy cretin that steal our games and send them back ruined and tainted by console filth with stupid controls and bad interfaces! Not to mention they keep some of the best games for themselves!

Hunt them down and show them no mercy! For you shall receive none!

(I'm kidding, its pretty silly. I just can't aim nor shoot for shit on a console, nor can i afford both a PC and a console and the PC gives me way more for my money. I can't play much of darksiders on a PC though...Nor can i ever play God of war nor the last of us, the journey etc :( )
 
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A lot of PC gamers feel games are being dumbed(Really? That's not a word?) down as a direct result of consoles and their accessibility.

I don't believe this is the case, but I can see where they are coming from. The whole point of consoles is that they're easier to use, which draws more casual people.

There are other reasons why some PC assholes feel superior, but I think this is where a lot of the negativity comes from.
 

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I actually disagree on the price point. I could never afford a console because of the large up front cost.
I can build and upgrade a computer in smaller installations. And still game at various points along my upgrading.

I have an Xbox now (4 years after I worked as an Xbox support rep. Yay!) And it still languishes in the corner. Because all of those years I used a PC to game. I made PC gaming friends. (And now earn a living by doing support for a PC game... that I've actually played. Yay!)
 

sweetylnumb

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Sir Thomas Sean Connery said:
A lot of PC gamers feel games are being dumbed(Really? That's not a word?) down as a direct result of consoles and their accessibility.

I don't believe this is the case, but I can see where they are coming from. The whole point of consoles is that they're easier to use, which draws more casual people.

There are other reasons why some PC assholes feel superior, but I think this is where a lot of the negativity comes from.
To be fair, Consoles DO limit the graphics of games. Computers can handle way better graphics that are currently used in even the newest games, and its because consoles can't keep up with computers.
Its not bigoted, its science! :D
 

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sweetylnumb said:
Consoles DO limit the graphics of games. Computers can handle way better graphics that are currently used in even the newest games, and its because consoles can't keep up with computers.
This phenomena has made me very happy.

Now my 4 year old $500 computer can still play current gen games.
 

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wulf3n said:
sweetylnumb said:
Consoles DO limit the graphics of games. Computers can handle way better graphics that are currently used in even the newest games, and its because consoles can't keep up with computers.
This phenomena has made me very happy.

Now my 4 year old $500 computer can still play current gen games.
I know right? i got a graphics card from my friend that is ancient and pathetic and worth about $40, and its allows me to play any modern game except crysis 3 (-.-). Might be because i have an epic processor but STILL.

Look at us jerking off our PC gaming cocks :D <3
 

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ryessknight said:
I hate all the console hate. Personally i find consoles faaaaaaarrrrrr superior to pcs. There easier to use less fuck up prone and dont cost tons of cash just to upgrade to play 1 game half decent and controllers own keyboard and mouse on almost all games. Pcs are only good for internet stuff and some simpler older pc only games like gog stuff to me, well and some mmos but alot of them could be a hundred times better on a console like dcuo , final fantasy 11 , and defiance are.
Oh, please try to play any shooter online on a PC using a controller. You'll get demolished. Mice are a lot better at fine aiming than joysticks. You also can't easily play any RTS with a controller. The place I see controllers having an edge is in racing games due to the fact that a keyboard doesn't have pressure sensitivity, so you're either going LEFT or RIGHT and nothing in between. Oh, and no surprise here, you can buy any variety of controllers for PCs. There's even a way to connect an Xbox 360 controller.

Shall we take a look at mods? I can turn Skyrims utterly fucked inventory system into something sensible. I can download whole user created campaigns in games as new as Dragon Age Origins. I can download massive mods like Day Z or any of the various Arma or Battlefield 2 conversions. Games can become a framework off which the community creates something great, maybe even better than the original game.

To an absolute amateur, yes consoles are easier. Learn 3 or 4 things about computers and you can make it dance to your whims with relative impunity because you know how restore points work in case you fuck something up. That's another thing, if something breaks, you can usually fix it rather than wait for a patch or send it in for repairs. Just google your problem on your phone and you'll most likely find a solution.

Finally, there's the matter of cost. Something 4 years out of date will still be able to play new games on low settings with a few exceptions. Also, they don't cost that much to upgrade if your old components still work and you sell them. That 300 dollar graphics card gets cut in half when you sell your old one for 150. Also, you probably didn't need that graphics card if you bought a PC that costs about as much as mine, about 600 bucks, the same cost as this next generation of consoles.
 

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yesbag said:
They aren't. It's just fanboys being fanboys. Many of them don't even recognize it since they think only consoles have fanboys, but there is a large contingent of PC fanboys. Unfortunately, many frequent this site, so it can be exasperating here at times.

I like consoles as well and enjoy some games on PC. But by no means is one "superior" to the other - just different.
That's how I see consoles, their just different and have their place. I love my high end gaming PC's, but I also enjoy laying back and playing some PS3 or Xbox at times. I prefer PC for some genres and console for others (racing games play well with gamepad but RTS is a M&K go to).