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kloiberin_time

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Why has Sony been targeted instead of Microsoft? Or Nintendo? Why Sony instead of the RIAA, the MPAA, most banks, any number of financial institutions, politicians, governments or countless other companies and organizations?

Anon or whatever the groups are calling themselves like to think they are Robin Hood, The Green Arrow, Che Guevara, Han Solo or some chaotic good band of rogues that steal from the rich and give to the poor. Instead they are a poor collection of anarchists and armchair libertarians that steal the money the poor give to the rich for themselves and vandalize what's left. They are digital cat burglars ransacking someone they think slighted them and burning down their home in the process.

Recently Sony might have been a lesser bully on the playground, although piss poor advertising and placing safeguards into their products does not a bully make. Anon "stood up" to this bully originally, and the bully took a few punches and limped off with a bloody nose. Anon had done this before and moved onto the next target.

This time they continued to "stand up" to Sony. Giving it a punch in the nose every time they crossed paths. Now other bullies smell blood, and anon just sits back thinking it is both the hero of the playground and ruler at the same time.

So why Sony? Steam limits what you can do with their software. The XBox 360 has similar restrictions as the PS3. Apple has sent out firmware updates that bricked jail broken phones. Adobe still charges 2 grand for their software. The RIAA and MPAA continue to go after people who torrent their properties. The WBC still pickets funerals. Banks still foreclose on houses and insurance agencies still deny cancer treatments. China is still in Tibet. Libya has not fallen. Australia still bans video games in their country. Canada has put a cap on bandwidth. There are thousands better causes or causes that strike closer to the hearts of these groups, so please, why Sony?
 

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internetzealot1 said:
I think it has something to do with the thing with Geohotz.
I think so too. It has to do with Sony saying that buyers are not allowed to modify their console after the purchase.

At least that's the "official reason."

Not sure though.
 

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voetballeeuw said:
internetzealot1 said:
I think it has something to do with the thing with Geohotz.
I think so too. It has to do with Sony saying that buyers are not allowed to modify their console after the purchase.

Not sure though.
Well can't they still modify it? They just can't use psn. I say modify your property, but psn is a service, and if you do something they don't like, they will refuse to serve you.
 

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First it was for....whatever meaning Anon was trying to get across, second time was for presumably the money, third time is just because they can. Though where Anon considers themselves some faux freedom movement, Lulzsec are just dicks for the sake of being dicks.
 

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Because hackers are self important people, who mostly want a decent target. They can't hack Microsoft or Apple quite as easily, so they take on a hardware giant that should know better. It's pretty damn simple when you think about it, kids trying to prove how awesome they are.

I doubt completely that it has anything to do with personal politics.
 

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These hackers definitely should be attacking the fed and major ganking banking corporations first and foremost, those are the ones creating serious problems for people the whole world over. Leave Sony out of it for the time being...
 

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Suffice to say, the whole thing doesn't make sense anymore, if it ever did in the first place. What do they hope to accomplish. You gotta know that Sony is insured against this. None of it is even their fault.
 

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I don't really agree with hacking into a console to play illegally obtained games, but I'm all for jailbreaking a console to do stuff like homebrew or allowing for other OS functionality, which was the big push for cracking open the PS3s.

Sony was pretty much setting up the legal precedent that anybody who tampered with a PS3 could be under legal action. That is like getting sued by a car company for putting some fancy chrome spinners on your car(although I do find those pointless). You own the console, so you should be allowed to do what you want with it. At best Sony should've hit Geohot with a lawsuit for releasing the information needed, but they ignored that altogether and went for tampering with the PS3.

Apple has been after the same thing for some time now, but they haven't gone after anybody in court, they simply tried to get a ruling stating jailbreaking was illegal; which didn't go if I remember correct.
 

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FalloutJack said:
Suffice to say, the whole thing doesn't make sense anymore, if it ever did in the first place. What do they hope to accomplish? You gotta know that Sony is insured against this. None of it is even their fault.
Well, they stole all of the credit cards. That probably did some damage.

It also showed that the major companies aren't nearly as big and powerful as people would like to think that they are.
 

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First off all, I would blame Anon partially. They didn't want to affect the consumer, and I'd be tempted to belive that. May be wrong, but it would be an incredibly dickish move to crash PSN only over one hackers run from justice. It's this new group I suspect who lead the intial attempts, and if not them, another splinter cell. Anon however did the intial groundwork, effectively showing how to unlock the door in a way so they aren't blameless.

As for why...why not? Lots of money in personal details, and the hackers have bagged millions of names. Each card has, for example, three thousand pounds of cash on average, thats a lot of money. Sony was just a target, just like any other group with a personal database is. Crashing PSN was just the icing on the cake.
 

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Scizophrenic Llama said:
I don't really agree with hacking into a console to play illegally obtained games, but I'm all for jailbreaking a console to do stuff like homebrew or allowing for other OS functionality, which was the big push for cracking open the PS3s.

Sony was pretty much setting up the legal precedent that anybody who tampered with a PS3 could be under legal action. That is like getting sued by a car company for putting some fancy chrome spinners on your car(although I do find those pointless). You own the console, so you should be allowed to do what you want with it. At best Sony should've hit Geohot with a lawsuit for releasing the information needed, but they ignored that altogether and went for tampering with the PS3.

Apple has been after the same thing for some time now, but they haven't gone after anybody in court, they simply tried to get a ruling stating jailbreaking was illegal; which didn't go if I remember correct.
...This point of view is nonsensical.

You own the PS3, so you CAN do whatever you want with it. HOWEVER, the Terms of Service state that you can't modify it. So if you don't abide by the terms of service and jailbreak it, you can't use the service they provide (PSN)...which they provide for free.

They don't send masked men to go repossess the PS3 if you mod it. The reason they removed OtherOS is because it represented a major security risk, and the reason Sony sued Geohotz is mainly because he published an encryption key and software tools on his website that let people illegally take control of the firmware.
 

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kloiberin_time said:
Why has Sony been targeted instead of Microsoft? Or Nintendo? Why Sony instead of the RIAA, the MPAA, most banks, any number of financial institutions, politicians, governments or countless other companies and organizations?
Why not? You have to target someone, you don't need a good reason.
 

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because they can, mostly. to show that they're tough guys who can stand up to big corporations too.
Sony hasn't really done anything to deserve this. sure, their marketing wasn't the best we've seen and they haven't always treated their customers as they should, but nothing to earn being hacked ad nauseum...

they're well within their right to block anyone from the PSN if they don't keep to the ToS and I kinda doubt this latest threat has political motivaitons anyway. if it did, wouldn't they have followed the news, knows that Sony had already been hacked because of this and realized that doing it again isn't going to help anyone? all they're doing now is creating sympathy for sony, which probably isn't quite what they had in mind.
 

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shadowslayer81 said:
FalloutJack said:
Suffice to say, the whole thing doesn't make sense anymore, if it ever did in the first place. What do they hope to accomplish? You gotta know that Sony is insured against this. None of it is even their fault.
Well, they stole all of the credit cards. That probably did some damage.

It also showed that the major companies aren't nearly as big and powerful as people would like to think that they are.
I wouldn't call making an upset that will effectively ruin your life forever proof that big companies are weak little kittens. Say what you want about the travesty of business and the corruption of large corporations, but let's not forget that doing something overtly criminal to any one of them is very VERY stupid.
 

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Simple as this:

After the Anon attack, it was confirmed that there were security holes in Sony's servers.

A bunch of identity thieves jumped on the opportunity and got themselves a jackpot of information.

Easy to understand, and each party had an underlying motive, but it gets tricky deciphering what this new group wants.

I'm really confused as to what this emerging group of hackers plan to accomplish. Recently read they plan on attacking in another wave, but I have only one question: Why?

Isn't this getting dragged out by now? The element of surprise is gone, and Sony has made protecting data a major stipulation.

Surely the motive they have is not a positive one. Is it to show off their u83r 1337 H4X0rz skills? Do they feel the need to stand up to a corporation as vigilantes? Is it for money, maybe for the lulz?

Very confusing.
 

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"So why Sony? Steam limits what you can do with their software. The XBox 360 has similar restrictions as the PS3. Apple has sent out firmware updates that bricked jail broken phones. Adobe still charges 2 grand for their software. The RIAA and MPAA continue to go after people who torrent their properties. The WBC still pickets funerals. Banks still foreclose on houses and insurance agencies still deny cancer treatments. China is still in Tibet. Libya has not fallen. Australia still bans video games in their country. Canada has put a cap on bandwidth. There are thousands better causes or causes that strike closer to the hearts of these groups, so please, why Sony?"


Because Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, RIAA and MPAA has never advertised anything to the contrary. Sony stated that it would allow people to install Linux onto there PS3s, then Sony took that away out of there own convenience.

And how exactly are you expecting Anon to take on China, Australia or Canada.
 

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Scizophrenic Llama said:
Sony was pretty much setting up the legal precedent that anybody who tampered with a PS3 could be under legal action. That is like getting sued by a car company for putting some fancy chrome spinners on your car(although I do find those pointless). You own the console, so you should be allowed to do what you want with it. At best Sony should've hit Geohot with a lawsuit for releasing the information needed, but they ignored that altogether and went for tampering with the PS3.
The car metaphor never made sense to me at all. Putting chrome spinners on your car would be the same as adding a paint job to the PS3, it's completely superficial, it just affects the looks of the thing, it in no way changes what it can and can't do and it won't affect others on the road.

Now lets say you mount spikes on your car, or a machine gun. This is a better metaphor, if only because a jailbroken console can not only be used to steal things from PSN, but it can also be used more wildly for hacking in online games. This does affect other people.