Why the hate for Fallout 3?

[Wargamer]

I like gun combat based stats more than skill but generally only if it's something like Jagged Alliance or Silent Storm so the combat doesn't really sell it for me.

I do like exploring in games but not the Oblivion sort of exploring. Is it hard to explore in the game, like, do you really have to work to find something unique as in it's hidden or surrounded by near impregnable defences? When I get there is it something better than a cut and paste dungeon with 2d20 worth of monsters evenly distributed about spawn points?

Fallout 3 is very easy to explore... it's actually finding places that's tricky.

An example is the AntAgoniser's lair (don't ask). I guessed (correctly) that as her arch nemesis lived in an easy-to-spot robot factory on the southern side of town, she would be on the northern side about the same distance away. So I went and looked... and looked... and looked... and after an hour I realised I was so far away from where I should be that I'd become completely lost.

It wasn't until I went back and talked with an NPC that I found the place; it was in a valley. I had climbed up the left side of the valley, gone around the top and back down the right side of the valley, not once thinking to actually look inside of it. If I'd had just followed the road, I'd have spotted it about a minute after leaving town.

Talk about over-thinking things...

But yeah, normally exploring is quite easy. Most towns and major landmarks you'll spot on the horizon when you get close-ish, though it seems you have to be stood at the door before it'll ping the place up on your map. I've looked at the full map of Fallout 3 a few times and thought "How the hell did I walk past all that!?". The Map is a lot bigger than you think...

 

[More Fun To Compute]

An example is the AntAgoniser's lair (don't ask).

Really? I knew an AntAgonist once, on the Inferno BBS. (If you get that reference without using google then I'll buy the game.)

 

[Rhayn]

This has to be the 5th Fallout 3 hate-related thread I've posted in. That said, let's get rolling.

Mild spoiler alert!

I got myself the game just after christmas after a lot of jumping back and forth. It took some time to install so I had time to ponder my decision, and I still wondered what the hell this was when I was in the 'baby-stage'. However, after my 10th birthday, I was sold. I played it virtually nonstop for 17 hours. Then I finnished it.

But here's the kicker, I didn't hate the ending, nor did I dislike it. I felt it was actually quite nice. Sure, it's a slideshow with your accomplishments, which in my case was rather short, but somehow it hit quite close to home for me, dying to finnish your own fathers work. I do realize that might just be me, but nonetheless.

So after sleeping for about 12 hours, I decided to start a new character. I wasn't quite happy with my creation that looked like Uwe Boll in the first place, so after a quick session of Google-Fu, I found Fallout3Nexus, a modding community. If I was sold before, now I was bought back and sold twice as a male prostitute. To the same client. The modding community in Fallout 3 is huge, and there's so much for all tastes to download for free.

I found myself a sweet looking female character saved game, and started playing again, taking my time to do everything. For example, I was doing some quest which I have now forgotten, and I saw something looking like a cave entrance in the distance. I checked it out, cleared out some raiders and bagged myself some caps and ammo. I exited, and saw a tower. I ran towards said tower. On the way I saw the RobCo plant, so I went there. So it went on.

Not that the game was without flaws. You could bet your dog on that the game would crash when you hadn't saved for a long time, leaving you only with autosaves, which thankfully do come whenever you enter a building, sleep, wait, or fast travel. It was also prone to crash quite often when you entered rooms, so you'd have situations where you would save right before an autosave just in case.

But really, none of what I've written matters, it's a subjective oppinion. Imagine a Gauss-graph. You'll have the majority think it's okay, some will think it's amazing, some will think it's crap. Those who think it's crap tend to be louder. It's the loud minority syndrome-thing.

But still. A game that can get me screaming, afraid for my life when I get attacked by a Super Mutant with a minigun is a good one.

I do however understand what people are saying about it being Oblivion with guns now that I've bought Oblivion. What I do not understand is why people think that's a bad thing.

 

[Rivana]

My problem with F3 was that I could only play for an hour at a time before becoming really bored. I may try out the new DLC which increases the level cap to 30 and allows you to continue playing even after you finish the story though. That might get me to buy The Pitt and that other DLC as well.

 

[DalekJaas]

I HATE Fallout 3 it SUCKS. When I discovered you can't press right click to put the gun up to your eye and aim with sights (with the exception of the obvious - sniper) I was done with this game. The setting was ridiculous, the story was ridiculous. YOU CANT PLAY AS THE ENCLAVE, WHAT THE HELL IS THAT? Wheres the Dark Brotherhood side of it? The Fighters guild side of it? EVerything that made oblvion great is missing. THe landscape is vast, bleak and boring. The weapons dont feel realistic. The creatures are absurd. The game is absurd. Oblivion was great and life stealing, Fallout 3 was mediocre and dull and I'm glad I never bought it.

Even the name 'Brotherhood of Steel' is ridiculous. Who wants to fight for something called 'the Brotherhood of Steel'. It sounds like a steelmill factories union. And I happened to whole heartedly agree with what the enclave was doing, why can't I join them??? HUH! WHY?!?!?!

 

[Sparrow]

I can see where you comming from, I think.

If someone hates a game, fair enough. If you disliked the whole game, couldn't get into it or whatever. Fair do's.

If however, you simply dismiss it because it's not like the first two, or because you think it's "Oblivion with guns", your a complete jackass.

I HATE Fallout 3 it SUCKS. When I discovered you can't press right click to put the gun up to your eye and aim with sights (with the exception of the obvious - sniper) I was done with this game. The setting was ridiculous, the story was ridiculous. YOU CANT PLAY AS THE ENCLAVE, WHAT THE HELL IS THAT? Wheres the Dark Brotherhood side of it? The Fighters guild side of it? EVerything that made oblvion great is missing. THe landscape is vast, bleak and boring. The weapons dont feel realistic. The creatures are absurd. The game is absurd. Oblivion was great and life stealing, Fallout 3 was mediocre and dull and I'm glad I never bought it.

Even the name 'Brotherhood of Steel' is ridiculous. Who wants to fight for something called 'the Brotherhood of Steel'. It sounds like a steelmill factories union. And I happened to whole heartedly agree with what the enclave was doing, why can't I join them??? HUH! WHY?!?!?!

Your not a very good troll. Your not meant to make it obvious.

 

[Silva]

Dont cry about not getting DLC baby, you should be thankful that you even got the game on the PS3

Whenever I see the "Don't cry" phrase, my instant inner reaction is that the person saying that has little or no empathy for human emotion, and therefore has a level of maturity equal to that of a spoon. Funnily enough, I think there might be some logic to that reaction in this case.

Perhaps I can make you understand a little. It's very annoying not to get glitch fixes, the DLC and some kind of implementation of the developer's console on the PS3 version of Fallout 3. The reason this is annoying isn't just because we miss out on new content or features available on the other two versions. It's also the fact that the circumstances of the situation are so clearly that of one company buying out another's interests, appealing to their greed, so that some customers lose features, while the game is sold to them at the same price. This is a situation where the customers lose something and the developers gain something from that. There's a simple word for that - thievery. And quite frankly, it is morally outraging.

Finally, you have to realise that other people do not necessarily own an Xbox 360 or the latest $2000+ gaming PC, and that if a game is released on all systems, it had better bloody damn well work on all systems or the developers aren't doing their job right.

From what I see people are always going to slag off games that are popular, simply because there was one or two things they didn't like about it. Mostly it's an anti fanboy mechanism, as people are quick to say "OMFG it is teh awesomezzz!" or something to that effect. There are those who think it isn't enough like Fallout, there are some who think it isn't enough like Oblivion, and others who just plain old don't like it for no real reason, because it's not their thing. They all come together against fanboys, and then more people get annoyed and people are on the defence on both sides and flame wars ensue.

At least that's how it works in my experience.

I think you have cast some light on how gaming discussion can end up working. Good work on that. However, I do believe that it is possible for some of the more objective assessments to be brought to bare in a forum. It's just not possible for those facts to be communicated by the majority of the people.

 

[painfull2006]

Dont cry about not getting DLC baby, you should be thankful that you even got the game on the PS3

Whenever I see the "Don't cry" phrase, my instant inner reaction is that the person saying that has little or no empathy for human emotion, and therefore has a level of maturity equal to that of a spoon.

Sorry i only think of the heavy

 

[Somthing]

My major problem with Fallout 3 is that its not a new game, its Oblivion but in the future.

And for a Copy-Paste job it isnt really done all that well, its to blatant, i tried the game for about an hour and the only thing i saw that i hadnt seen before was the VATS system (which btw kinda destroyed the game for me, as its way to easy), i mean you use the vats, get a couple of shots of, shoot some without vats, then use it again....where's the challenge?

The only real challenge i met while playing Fallout 3 was the sniper guy in some old town, i had major problems with him because i wasnt aware of the mines at first.

So to keep myself short:
Fallout 3 may be a great game for those who havent played it in its improved version (Oblivion), but for me that's a big Elder Scrolls fan, i just cant get over the fact that Bethesda was so lazy while developing it.

i think Fallout 3 was sooooooooooooo much better than oblivion. Oblivion was boring and bland with scary beggars. I never really got anywhere in oblivion i just went around stealing shit. Now i did much the same in Fallout but i got a much bigger urge to explore while playing fallout, fallout was much easier to get captivated with and merged into. And did u try to punch up the difficulty from the easy setting? (just wondering)
basically what id want to say is that fallout3 in my opinion is soooooooooooooooooo much better than oblivion that i dont care if some may think its oblivion with guns, cuz then oblivion with guns rock hard^^

 

[Somthing]

Fallout 3 is, I'd say, perfect if you want a 'Paper-lite' RPG; the sort where all you keep track of in terms of numbers is your weapons, armour and how much swag you've earned. It's great just to go exploring, and I've been so busy exploring I've actually built up a backlog of places I keep meaning to revisit to 'look at properly'.

I've definately found the best way to play this game is to NOT follow the quests. Some people in this thread who didn't like it said they got upto this and this point... That's wrong from the get go. You should be going out there and explore. Just pick a spot on the map and WALK your way there and see what arrows appear on your compass.

"Hey, look, a cave full of Deathclaws, let's sneak in and see. Oooh, shiny bobblehead!"

"A camp, let's walk in." *beep *beep "Mines?!" *boom "Raiders?! Ah crap. Oh look, someone's journal. Oh, an interesting location's marked in it, let's go there!"

etc etc.

This kind of gameplay is a lot of fun in Fallout 3 and very lacking in Oblivion. I got the 100 locations trophy without having met up with dad yet. In Oblivion I quickly got bored of walking and quick travelled everywhere.

MoreFunToCompute:
Fallout 3 has no random generated dungeons whatsoever. All buildings and their inhabitants are fixed. And its too much to all visit within a 100 hours or so, so don't worry about that.

I love just walking around and exploring!!! i was headed for the rangers quest thing and ended up wandering tunnels and ended up wandering the subways for like 2 hours or something. it was a lot of fun ^^killing raiders ghouls and whatever i met

also some of the unmarked quests are fucked up ^^(in the good wayl) f u go to a place called andale thats a really fun unmarked quest (wont spoil it)
Also ive started playing it again just to really play a big bastard in this game (its so much fun to blow Moira to bits instead of working ur ass of for the crazy girl( i killed her before i set off the bomb))

Anyways play fallout!!!(3) because its much better than oblivion