Why the hate towards retake mass effect? All I see is hate.

[Danial]

Because being called a Biofag or being told that I'm sucking on "bioDong" (really?) due to you not being angry about an ending gets very, VERY boring after a while.

The ending was bad, the rest of the game was good. Not necessary to start a war and insult everyone who disagrees.

Still, the cupcake thing was thing was funny.

 

[JediMB]

It's not that I don't understand. I felt like I'd been completely betrayed when I walked out of the cinema after watching X-men: Last Stand. I really enjoyed the first two films, but the third one was so terrible that it almost felt like it had been done on purpose just to spite me. So I ranted about it to a couple of friends (who mostly gave me the "I'm-not-really-listening" smile), then I moved on with my life.

Now imagine that the first two X-Men games were much, much better... that each of them were 30-50 hour epics... that you WERE Wolverine (or whoever)... and at the end of the third movie a sudden plot twist reveals that Dark Phoenix is really a creature created to save the world by reshaping it entirely.

And you can only defeat her by using a piece of alien tech that will also kill you.

And once you "defeat" Dark Phoenix, the rest of the X-Men magically end up on the moon and the movie ends without any sort of epilogue.

 

[DRes82]

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Excellent video. Did I hear 'now confirmed indoctrination theory' in there somewhere?

 

[Asita]

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Excellent video. Did I hear 'now confirmed indoctrination theory' in there somewhere?

He did say that, but I strongly suspect he was misinformed and claimed it based off of the Final Hours documents that said that a segment of the game was planned but dropped, as I noted in post 60.

 

[MetalMagpie]

It's not that I don't understand. I felt like I'd been completely betrayed when I walked out of the cinema after watching X-men: Last Stand. I really enjoyed the first two films, but the third one was so terrible that it almost felt like it had been done on purpose just to spite me. So I ranted about it to a couple of friends (who mostly gave me the "I'm-not-really-listening" smile), then I moved on with my life.

Now imagine that the first two X-Men games were much, much better... that each of them were 30-50 hour epics... that you WERE Wolverine (or whoever)... and at the end of the third movie a sudden plot twist reveals that Dark Phoenix is really a creature created to save the world by reshaping it entirely.

And you can only defeat her by using a piece of alien tech that will also kill you.

And once you "defeat" Dark Phoenix, the rest of the X-Men magically end up on the moon and the movie ends without any sort of epilogue.

...then you'd be somewhere approaching my level of rage when - seven friggin books in - the Anita Blake Vampire Hunter series decided to completely destroy all integrity the protagonist ever had.

That one took slightly longer than X-men. (I still haven't been able to go back and reread the earlier books.) But, at the end of the day, it's important to just take a nice deep breath and carry on.

Because unless you're in company entirely consisting of disgruntled Anita Blake fans, then whining about it doesn't really earn you many friends. Trust me on that one.

(By the way, that alternative X-men 3 idea sounds pretty sweet compared with the actual film! Although I'm not sure what you mean by "you WERE Wolverine", except in a video game sense. I.e. If I had to press buttons to get Wolverine through the film.)

 

[Da Orky Man]

haters gonna hate

Only wannabe haters hate. Real haters do this:
HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT. FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.

Also known as YouTube.

Anyway, I hold no particular feeling other than apathy towards the Retake Mass Effect group. Overall, I support the idea of getting somewhat of a new ending, even if it's just an extra cutscene that explains what the hell happened and what's going to happen, preferably voiced by Brian Blessed.

 

[FFHAuthor]

First of all I believe all of this is an evil plot done by EA to money grub, so i'm just waiting to start saying I told you so to the two sides.

Yes they could have thought of a better name for the movement, but why the hate? Authors and directors change the ending to there books or movies all the time after fans give them feedback. Movies are test screened all the time and reshot depending on the feedback and Charles Dickens changed his books after feedback from friends. Art changes all the time and it is never veiwed as comprising it.

Why the hate?

All the group has done is mailed cupcakes, donate to charity, and their lasted plan to make 1000 paper cranes to send to Bioware and they make it clear that the aim not to grief any side. They must be the most horrible of villians out there.

They don't deserve the hate for wanting the end changed.

Like most things, when one side has a better argument than the other, the weaker side stops trying to argue the merits and instead argues against the people. Like with UFO skeptics and Politicians, if you can't attack the issue the other side has, attack the people since it's easier to put them on the defensive and gain the advantage.

 

[nolongerhere]

It's not that I don't understand. I felt like I'd been completely betrayed when I walked out of the cinema after watching X-men: Last Stand. I really enjoyed the first two films, but the third one was so terrible that it almost felt like it had been done on purpose just to spite me. So I ranted about it to a couple of friends (who mostly gave me the "I'm-not-really-listening" smile), then I moved on with my life.

Now imagine that the first two X-Men games were much, much better... that each of them were 30-50 hour epics... that you WERE Wolverine (or whoever)... and at the end of the third movie a sudden plot twist reveals that Dark Phoenix is really a creature created to save the world by reshaping it entirely.

And you can only defeat her by using a piece of alien tech that will also kill you.

And once you "defeat" Dark Phoenix, the rest of the X-Men magically end up on the moon and the movie ends without any sort of epilogue.

...then you'd be somewhere approaching my level of rage when - seven friggin books in - the Anita Blake Vampire Hunter series decided to completely destroy all integrity the protagonist ever had.

That one took slightly longer than X-men. (I still haven't been able to go back and reread the earlier books.) But, at the end of the day, it's important to just take a nice deep breath and carry on.

Because unless you're in company entirely consisting of disgruntled Anita Blake fans, then whining about it doesn't really earn you many friends. Trust me on that one.

(By the way, that alternative X-men 3 idea sounds pretty sweet compared with the actual film! Although I'm not sure what you mean by "you WERE Wolverine", except in a video game sense. I.e. If I had to press buttons to get Wolverine through the film.)

I dunno. I think that sometimes rage is good. Maybe nothing comes out of this. Or maybe game developers take more care with their endings, and the medium improves. I'm hoping for the latter, to be honest. And honestly, I don't think this will set back the game industry any more than anything else that EA has done will. Can't see how that would be possible.

 

[Samantha Burt]

I submit a new theory about the anger: that haters are just jealous they didn't think of it when their favourite series was crushed.

 

[ThePenguinKnight]

This may or may not have anything to do with the topic but half the time they change endings to appeal more to a wider audience it turns out pretty bad. Little Shop Of Horrors and I Am Legend are pretty good examples.

 

[Awexsome]

First of all I believe all of this is an evil plot done by EA to money grub...

Well way to show your entire bias and firm position on one side of the issue with your first sentence.

The retake Mass Effect people really need to get some perspective on how much they're reacting to this. Plus they jump on every rumor that supports their side and start proclaiming it as fact and every fact or logical argument against them is denied or pushed aside as not a big deal.

They'll say it's not the majority that are the ones freaking out and overreacting but it completely is.

 

[Xangba]

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Because fan rage made Doyle retcon Sherlock dying it makes it okay to keep doing it? Don't tell me to shut up just because it's happened before. I never said "next it will books!" or anything like that, I said it's childish to strong-arm someone like Doyle or a company like Bioware to change what they intended. It doesn't matter if it sucks, it's theirs. Hell Doyle killed off Holmes because he wanted to focus on other things and was tired of the characters popularity overshadowing anything else he tried. But no, why should he be allowed to do what he wants to? The fans demand more Sherlock!

 

[ultramarine486]

You know, there's a quote from my grandfather that goes with this perfectly...

Aw, muffin. News flash, sometimes things end up in the shit. You may not like it, and it may not be fair. But it may have escaped your notice, but life isn't fair.

There are times when endings end up sucking, and you didn't get what was marketed to you. Are you going to wither away and die? Are you going to contract cancer and be eaten away? No, you're going to ***** and moan, and the second EA does some other thing that's typical of business, you're going to move on to the next "holy crusade of gaming" like every other fucking idiot in this petulant fanbase.

Get over it, Mass Effect having a shit ending isn't the end of the world, stop pretending that it is.

People like you are the reason why EA and other companies can do things 'typical of businesses' because instead of protesting or complaining when they shaft you, you just suck it up and take it. Saying life isn't fair is just a cop out and not some great act of wisdom on the part of your grandpa.

 

[zehydra]

It's the sense of entitlement. You didn't see this happen when LOST ended, which had a lame and unsatisfying ending as well.

Stories don't belong to the readers.

Also, protip: NEVER buy any game on day 1.

 

[zehydra]

You know, there's a quote from my grandfather that goes with this perfectly...

Aw, muffin. News flash, sometimes things end up in the shit. You may not like it, and it may not be fair. But it may have escaped your notice, but life isn't fair.

There are times when endings end up sucking, and you didn't get what was marketed to you. Are you going to wither away and die? Are you going to contract cancer and be eaten away? No, you're going to ***** and moan, and the second EA does some other thing that's typical of business, you're going to move on to the next "holy crusade of gaming" like every other fucking idiot in this petulant fanbase.

Get over it, Mass Effect having a shit ending isn't the end of the world, stop pretending that it is.

People like you are the reason why EA and other companies can do things 'typical of businesses' because instead of protesting or complaining when they shaft you, you just suck it up and take it. Saying life isn't fair is just a cop out and not some great act of wisdom on the part of your grandpa.

No, the reason EA gets away with what they do, is because people keep paying for their games, lol. People who don't actually care about games that much.

Basically, what I would say is, "If you really hate the ending that much, then don't buy it".

Obviously this is problematic since you usually don't know the games' ending until after you buy it.

Which is why you wait to see what other people say about it before you buy it, before everyone blindly sends Bioware money like they're signing up for the lottery (which they happened to win in times past).

 

[ultramarine486]

No, the reason EA gets away with what they do, is because people keep paying for their games, lol. People who don't actually care about games that much.

Basically, what I would say is, "If you really hate the ending that much, then don't buy it".

Obviously this is problematic since you usually don't know the games' ending until after you buy it.

Which is why you wait to see what other people say about it before you buy it, before everyone blindly sends Bioware money like they're signing up for the lottery (which they happened to win in times past).

People who keep paying for the game feeling like getting shafted is life and they should just accept it. Sometimes they're one in the same.

Part of that problematic problem and the main source of complaints is people who had trust in Bioware. Brand loyalty is a hard to earn commodity and it shows how much Bioware had that people are taking their complaints this far. It's easy to say 'don't buy the game on day one' if you weren't wholly invested in the series but a lot of people were and that is why pre-orders even sell at all.

Plus as easy as it is to say 'don't like the ending don't buy the game' but it's hard to avoid spoilers on the internet and the ending was of such a monumental scale of bad it taints the entire series as a whole. Should people wait until all three games are out before choosing to buy in?

 

[Don Savik]

No matter what the outcome is, everyone with different opinions on the ending (haters and non-haters) are going to eat up the next Mass Effect title like its the latest CoD without a second thought. I'll bet money on that.

 

[ultramarine486]

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Understanding the basic practice of business is all well and good but it doesn't just involve 'how much money can we squeeze out of our consumers'. In order for a lot of businesses to survive they need that steady source of income from regular consumers that come back and buy from them again and again. You can mass market only so much before you lack any sort of core buyer base and you lose money hand over fist when that mass market crowd goes over to the next shiny thing. That's why EA keeps buying up companies because they lack any sort of invested and loyal player base. A lot of sales are generated not buy advertisements but rather word of mouth which is spread by loyal fans.

If the entire industry was run by greed like you think then Valve would never give out sales or free games when they can charge regular price for them and get more money or Minecraft would have updates you'd need to pay for since they game was released already anything after that can be charged for. There is more to business then just money, money, money.