Why the Hatred for Black Ops?

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Hazy992

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Skywolf09 said:
Hazy992 said:
imahobbit4062 said:
I noticed some of the weapons didn't fit the time period either. The final mission might take place in 1968.
They don't? Which one's? I'm not saying you're wrong I just thought they were all from that period.
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Yeah I just looked up a couple of the guns you mentioned and wow, they're really off the mark there. I could understand one or two years, but 10-20? WTH?
 

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I look forward to the day that the COD franchise goes the way of Guitar Hero and the like.

Maybe then we'll see something new and interesting.
 

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Honestly, I had more fun with the Main Menu than the actual game itself. The very second I started the game up, I knew this was going to be a hopelessly-unbalanced, dumbed-down, clunky, inexcusably-buggy, game. And it was. And, you've got to be a pretty poor designer to make fighting nazi zombies in a (haunted?) house incredibly boring. How so? It's consitered bad if you can actually see what you're shooting. And that dead-ops arcade was just horrible. I'll stick with Geometry Wars, thank you very much. You know, the tremendously-superior game that Dead Ops shamelessly ripped off?
Hazy992 said:
imahobbit4062 said:
I noticed some of the weapons didn't fit the time period either. The final mission might take place in 1968.
They don't? Which one's? I'm not saying you're wrong I just thought they were all from that period.
They don't seem to do research on what they're making. Others have noticed. For example, Modern Warfare 3 has some rather outdated guns (these guys are supposed to be on the cutting edge) and the World Trade Center is still there. It can't be "Modern" if it's over a decade out of date. Of course, what else can you expect from the guy that believes Spyro made his debut in Skylanders?
 

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blops sucked for me because zombies [the one unique thing for treyarch] had a stupid emphasis on easter eggs. my friends never asked me to play for the fun of it, they always asked to play so they could do this new easter egg. it was just boring.

also, in multiplayer, the earlier guns were SO much better than the later ones. a good multiplayer game should have two types of weapons: -the "acquired taste" [AT]guns [ like the stoner, or the python] that were only good if you were skilled with them
-the all rounders [AR] [like the famas/galil] that could be used by anyone.
these should be peppered throughout the game to keep interest.

blops' weapon chart went like this:
-AR
-AR
-AR
-AR
-AT
-AR
 

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Hazzard said:
First of all, I have never owned a CoD game, so I am looking at this from a "outsider that has played it occasionly but has never seen it as a world of brown-ness with an online with a worse player-base than Halo.
I know that a lot of people have refused to play CoD after black ops, or just hated the game and have never gotten an answer as to why.
So what was it that people hated so much about Black Ops?
The campaign was utter shit that hinged on the single plot twist towards the end and once you knew it the campaign wasn't really fun anymore.
The multiplayer wasn't actually very good either which is interesting since they pretty much just have to copy and paste the previous years multiplayer just add a few guns.
 

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I like the sp. Black ops featured a talking maincharacter(finally) and i liked the story way more than MW2 and 3. I hated especially 2. Soap was cool, his whole presentation made him a badass. Then in the final missions you can play as him and suddenly he is mute again. A mute pair of hands is what annoys me in many fps games.
 

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Shadowstar38 said:
The norm response you'll get here is "Its the same game" But Im one of the people that thinks Black Ops is really good.

1) The single player story was a little interesting for once.

2) The multiplayer is the best it ever was before, and has been even after Mw3 came out.

3) The weapons actually feel different from each other and not a copy paste job with stat changes.

The hate from Black Ops comes from the hate of COD as a whole, not that this one game was actually bad.
Not my hate for BlOps. My hate stems from the story being just bad. Didn't really have anything going for it once the plot twist happened and was boring the second time through felt more like a chore playing through it than a game.
The multiplayer was just awful. The maps were probably the worst lay out so far.
 

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Monoochrom said:
You're missing the point. THERE IS NO OBJECTIVE. Thus what the majority says is the closest we have to anything objective, thus you are wrong by majority rule. You aren't wrong as a matter of fact, you are wrong because your definition of good doesn't fit the VAST majorities definition of good. THAT is the point.

Racism and Sexism also aren't OBJECTIVELY bad, we've just decided that they are now, just like we were once of the opinion that it is fine.
I don't agree with you in the slightest about that either. You can prove some things if you try, I'm not good at it but I see it all the time. Also, you are missing the point as well, MAJORITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING OBJECTIVE!!! I haven't given you a definition of good but if I made something more convincing than everyone else which I think you believe is impossible, I would win without a doubt. I don't think I would win much but if I just wanted to explain or even convince people of something then that is 100% possible. Understand? You can believe that, I don't and I don't that is going to convince anyone else either.

Racism and Sexism aren't objectively bad? Tell me, does the victims of these feel 'good' when they are put down and are seen as lesser beings? Or is them feeling good subjective as well?
 

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Sober Thal said:
Nazulu said:
All in all, I think Sober Thal just really likes the game and is trying to defend any way he can.
I thought the game was okay, but the mindless hate over it just pisses me off. If the voices of the internet were right on, then the game wouldn't have sold nearly as well.
That I can understand, I stop watching the news sometimes because some of the idiots on there piss me off so much. Now and again I just stop everything and focus on games or work.

Not of all it is mindless though, I think you probably just run into a bunch of immature jerks that just curse and ***** instead of putting any thought in what they write. I see it all the time too.
 

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Personally Black Ops is my second favorite game in the series (behind cod4) because Treyarc decided to do somthing different and actually tried to do somthing different by not making everything revolve around what level you are or how many kills with a certain gun you got. Also I like how they tried to put in as many little Easter eggs as they could weather it be dead ops arcade, the numerous files you could find, or the ability to get the thundergun in the campaign, they know how to give somthing to those who look for it.
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Yeah, that would make the Famas & co better, not overpowered. Do you want every single assault rifle to have the exact same recoil and damage? Great, 12 identical weapons. Woot.

Better than other weapons =/= overpowered.
You didn't understand.

If the weapons were complete upgrades, that means they shared some stats - basically they were the same weapon in another "shell". Identical weapons for the most part.

On the other side, they had significant changes only for the better. The point of "balance" is that if you "give" you have to "take" too. Only "giving" makes a weapon positively superior in every way.

Aarowbeatsdragon said:
Black ops in my opinion was the best CoD game of them all. Had a brilliant plot twist, my favorite mission out of all the games, an actually really great plot twist.
Brilliant plot twist? That's entirely subjective, it doesn't surprise anyone who had already been exposed to Cold War spy novels.
 

Nazulu

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Monoochrom said:
Nazulu said:
Monoochrom said:
You're missing the point. THERE IS NO OBJECTIVE. Thus what the majority says is the closest we have to anything objective, thus you are wrong by majority rule. You aren't wrong as a matter of fact, you are wrong because your definition of good doesn't fit the VAST majorities definition of good. THAT is the point.

Racism and Sexism also aren't OBJECTIVELY bad, we've just decided that they are now, just like we were once of the opinion that it is fine.
I don't agree with you in the slightest about that either. You can prove some things if you try, I'm not good at it but I see it all the time. Also, you are missing the point as well, MAJORITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING OBJECTIVE!!! I haven't given you a definition of good but if I made something more convincing than everyone else which I think you believe is impossible, I would win without a doubt. I don't think I would win much but if I just wanted to explain or even convince people of something then that is 100% possible. Understand? You can believe that, I don't and I don't that is going to convince anyone else either.

Racism and Sexism aren't objectively bad? Tell me, does the victims of these feel 'good' when they are put down and are seen as lesser beings? Or is them feeling good subjective as well?
The Point

Your Head

Hope that wasn't too obscure for you.
Very rude, could just say 'agree to disagree', but no, you had to be hypocrite.

Just so you know, this website doesn't include the extra spaces.
 

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imahobbit4062 said:
MPerce said:
I don't hate it, it's just.....well, the exact same COD since this Modern Warfare ball got rolling. The franchise has become the Madden of "hardcore" gaming: take the game before it, make the tiniest of tweaks, re-release it. You would have to have played MW2 a crapload to notice the changes they made for MW3; my younger brother is one of those people, and the only thing he's noticed is that "the grenades and noob tube aren't as overpowered."

At least Halo has the decency to throw some big wrench into the multiplayer each time to sorta spice things up (dual-wielding in Halo 2, Forge in Halo 3, and armor abilities in Reach).

I still had a great time with Black Ops, same as I have with every COD game, so I'm not gonna hate on the people who love the games. They're just not my thing.
You are aware CoD made the same or similar changes?

MW2 introduced Dual Wielding
Black Ops introduced Theatre
All of them have had new or revamped perks.
In fact, most of the complains about Blops is that they actually had the balls to try to throw snipers off their quickscoping game a little bit, alongside with trying out a new leveling system with the contracts and wagering. It was all fairly good additions.

People just didn't like it because it fucked with the quickscoping.
 

Hazy992

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Lugbzurg said:
Hazy992 said:
imahobbit4062 said:
I noticed some of the weapons didn't fit the time period either. The final mission might take place in 1968.
They don't? Which one's? I'm not saying you're wrong I just thought they were all from that period.
They don't seem to do research on what they're making. Others have noticed. For example, Modern Warfare 3 has some rather outdated guns (these guys are supposed to be on the cutting edge) and the World Trade Center is still there. It can't be "Modern" if it's over a decade out of date. Of course, what else can you expect from the guy that believes Spyro made his debut in Skylanders?
I thought it was the One World Trade Center in the New York Skyline on MW3?
 

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I never got the hatred either. It plays exactly like all the other COD games, so i never got how anyone can say any COD game has "better" or "worse" multiplayer than another. Though I will say the campaign was very, very scripted. A bit too scripted. I'm never a fan of clearing a room and waiting for an AI teammate to run ahead and open an unlocked door for me. And as for the game being too far-fetched in terms of the story and stuff, well, i never saw anything after COD4 as even trying to be realistic. It's just like an action movie; sure it doesnt make sense, but it looks cool so hey why not.
 

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jaoblia said:
Its the 3rd time they've released it, save for a new campaign its the same mechanics, levels, and modes. Also the sheer amount of gibbering insane 10 year olds online threatening to lay your mother thrice.
Well, you're wrong there.

Black Ops was a true sequel, for better or worse, and drastically split the fan base because of how different it was.
MetallicaRulez0 said:
1.) By far the worst maps in CoD history.
Well, it honestly depends on what game type you were playing.

Search and Destroy and Demolition? They did not play well. But the way the game was made and the way the maps handled made Domination the best gametype out of all of these games. It's honestly what kept me playing for so long.