Why The Holocaust? (No Flaming Please)

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Swollen Goat said:
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Swollen Goat said:
He had some bad personal encounters with Jews in Bavaria (I think) and hopped on the hate bandwagon.
This is what I'm interested in finding out. What specifically set it all off?
I couldn't tell you. I've read a lot of books about Nazi Germany (and WW2 in general) and that part of Hitler's life is always glossed over. It's just "the hard times in Vienna". I imagine a large part of that is Hitler made sure any unflattering aspects of his life never came to light, and he was basically a vagrant at that point.
I see. So we shall never know.
 

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What I have been wondering lately, is why Adolf Hitler chose to target the Jewish people during his rise to power and the holocaust.
Dolchstoßlegende- The Stab in the Back Legend. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_legend]

Its all there on that page, actually has a very nice summary of it.

Suffice to say, the most basic logic of it is:

Communists sued for peace in World War One when Germany could still have won; many Jews are communists; therefore the Jews lost us World War One and should pay for their betrayal.

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Nope you are correct, I think he also started going for people without blonde hair and blue eyes (again if memory serves me correct)
I haven't come across anything myself that suggests that. While its true that people with blonde hair and blue eyes were idealised, people without these traits were not prosecuted, seeing as many of the senior Nazis would have fallen into that category themselves.
 

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Nope you are correct, I think he also started going for people without blonde hair and blue eyes (again if memory serves me correct)
No, a large majority of Germans had and has dark hair and eyes.
But people had to show that at least so-and-so many generations had lived in Germany and didn't have a Jew somewhere in their family tree.
People with blonde hair and blue eyes were what he viewed as perfection but not the only way to go as a "proper German" or whatever you want to call it.
 

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Didn't he also go after the Poles, Gypsies, and cripples?

Or am I just misremembering?
No, you are correct, he also went after the homosexuals. What I always wondered is why he had to kill them to prevent from having babies. Wouldn't it be simpler to just sterilize them? (which is an act i still don't agree with)
Hence all the research they did on sterilization... they decided the best way was with radiation sources.
 

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NimbleJack3 said:
First of all, I do not wish to elicit flaming or trolling. This is meant to be a rational discussion about a very sad and horrible event.
If the mods think otherwise, please feel free to remove this thread. I apologize.

What I have been wondering lately, is why Adolf Hitler chose to target the Jewish people during his rise to power and the holocaust. It could simply be that he was insane and simply chose them at random. Although I think that only a specific cause would elicit such a terrible response, even from someone as clearly mad as Hitler. I have heard that it might be because the Jewish father of a girlfriend forbade them to see each other.

I think it might be because of a traumatic experience young Adolf had. There he was, gurgling in his cot with a stars-and-moons mobile above him when it fell on his head. The last thing he saw before he was knocked senseless was a great big six-pointed star.

Why do you think he did it?
He didnt only target Jewish people, there were also the blacks, gays, gypsy's and other minorities inclusing the polish people. Just so you know, the holocaust is not just about the Jews!
 

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I assume my memory does serve me correct? Yes it does come off as odd

But he was also a vegetarian

His father was Jewish

and in his spare time he painted pictures and he also loved the circus

If it wasn't for the fact he killed millions of people and brought most of Europe into chaos he could have been a very good man
 

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Skeleon said:
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Nope you are correct, I think he also started going for people without blonde hair and blue eyes (again if memory serves me correct)
No, a large majority of Germans had and has dark hair and eyes.
But people had to show that at least so-and-so many generations had lived in Germany and didn't have a Jew somewhere in their family tree.
People with blonde hair and blue eyes were what he viewed as perfection but not the only way to go as a "proper German" or whatever you want to call it.
Oh I think I remember hearing something about force breeding them, true or not?
My memory is fuzzy about history (I haven't done it since year 9)
 

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Oh I think I remember hearing something about force breeding them, true or not?
My memory is fuzzy about history (I haven't done it since year 9)
Hm, there were eugenics programs for creating "perfect kids", true, though I'm not sure whether that was tried through forced breeding or not.
 

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Damo004 said:
NimbleJack3 said:
He didnt only target Jewish people, there were also the blacks, gays, gypsy's and other minorities inclusing the polish people. Just so you know, the holocaust is not just about the Jews!
Fine. I've changed it.

The Rockerfly said:
NimbleJack3 said:
I assume my memory does serve me correct? Yes it does come off as odd

But he was also a vegetarian

His father was Jewish

and in his spare time he painted pictures and he also loved the circus

If it wasn't for the fact he killed millions of people and brought most of Europe into chaos he could have been a very good man
Indeed. Adolf could have been a cool guy. Hitler was evil and insane.
 

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Skeleon said:
The Rockerfly said:
Oh I think I remember hearing something about force breeding them, true or not?
My memory is fuzzy about history (I haven't done it since year 9)
Hm, there were eugenics programs for creating "perfect kids", true, though I'm not sure whether that was tried through forced breeding or not.
Okay, I will research the matter and post later if you are still interested

EDIT: Yes it was found that Hitler did force breed

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/07/world/europe/07nazi.html

I assume the New York Times website is a reliable source
 

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Hitler was part of an anti-semitic cult known as the Thule Society, and the oldest religion is Judaism. Those part of the Thule society, like Himmler, Hitler or Goering, dreamed only of the fall of the religion who they believed to be the cause of all other semitic religion. Though as one man Hitler could not rise into power but when the depression set in an opportunity presented itself, while the greater German public was left poor and homeless, a majority of Jews that lived in German owned most of the industries and business, because of loss of jobs a lot of German blamed the Jewish people for this and they hatred gave Hitler something to use a momentum for his political campaign. After ascending into power, he also got himself elected as Chancellor of German, the only person who can sack the president if he gets out of control, from their he desired to accomplished his anti-semitic desiress and wipe out the Jews.
 

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because someone the dean from the art school he was rejected from was jewish?

I don't actually know just taking a guess
 

Michael S. Azrael

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NimbleJack3 said:
Michael S. Azrael said:
Hitler was part of an anti-semitic cult known as the Thule Society...
This sounds slightly suspicious to me. What's your source?
A man with a Ph.D in Historical Studies who wrote a 40,000 word essay on Hitler, his rise to power and the Holocaust.

If you stil don't believe I'm sure wikipedia or other websites would have information confirming this.
 

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Well Hitler was an asshole, I think he was doing it just to get the point across, he probably would have killed puppies if he thought it would spread fear.



I mean, that just seals it, you don't fuck with Hitler.
 

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Michael S. Azrael said:
NimbleJack3 said:
Michael S. Azrael said:
Hitler was part of an anti-semitic cult known as the Thule Society...
This sounds slightly suspicious to me. What's your source?
A man with a Ph.D in Historical Studies who wrote a 40,000 word essay on Hitler, his rise to power and the Holocaust.

If you stil don't believe I'm sure wikipedia or other websites would have information confirming this.
I'm afraid that I must question the authenticity of one person's statement(s). They may be wrong or mistaken. Even large numbers of people may be wrong. 1000 years ago, many people believed that the earth was flat.
Also, the Internet is a huge and diverse resource with contradicting information. I'm probably able to find information that confirms Hitler was part of the Thule Society, and also goes on to say that their headquarters was on the moon and they were all aliens. Please cite a specific source.
 

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Adolf Hitler's 'Perfect World' He sought to obtain, was of his own religion, and that everyone would have blond hair, and blue eyes. The Jews were neither. In all honesty, Adolf Hitler was said to have been a rational person, he even painted a picture, no one knew why he became a evil dictator...So I think he did go insane somehow...
 

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NimbleJack3 said:
Michael S. Azrael said:
NimbleJack3 said:
Michael S. Azrael said:
This sounds slightly suspicious to me. What's your source?
A man with a Ph.D in Historical Studies who wrote a 40,000 word essay on Hitler, his rise to power and the Holocaust.

If you stil don't believe I'm sure wikipedia or other websites would have information confirming this.
I'm afraid that I must question the authenticity of one person's statement(s). They may be wrong or mistaken. Even large numbers of people may be wrong. 1000 years ago, many people believed that the earth was flat.
Also, the Internet is a huge and diverse resource with contradicting information. I'm probably able to find information that confirms Hitler was part of the Thule Society, and also goes on to say that their headquarters was on the moon and they were all aliens. Please cite a specific source.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Entry_into_politics

If you read the third paragraph it states Hitler involvement with the Thule Society.

And also, may I ask what information do you have that contradicts my statements, just because it might sound absurd doesn't make it false.