Why the Nintendo Switch will Fail (and fail hard)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Nintendo_3DS_video_games
There are huge AAA games released for the Xbox One/PS4/PC that don't hit these kind of numbers...
While I do think the Nintendo Switch is more likely to fail than not, I think you are grossly underestimating the handheld market here.
There are huge AAA games released for the Xbox One/PS4/PC that don't hit these kind of numbers...
While I do think the Nintendo Switch is more likely to fail than not, I think you are grossly underestimating the handheld market here.
it did indeed, but that was 2011. The market since then has been slowly dying.BabyfartsMcgeezaks said:
The 3DS was successful but as I stated that was the last shout for portable gaming.tippy2k2 said:
Saelune said:
One game, and Pokemon GO is is the most popular one and guess what.... its on a smartphone, further highlighting my point.
The interesting part of this post is actually about the VITA. Why did it fail? IMHO, more than anything else: you couldn't simply put a cable in it, plug it into your TV and play on a big screen. If it had done that, I think it would have sold a ton. The ability to play on your big TV or on the go?
Without that, it didn't offer enough reason to go to its smaller library than stay on the less expensive, bigger library DS. The Switch will.
I'm looking forward to it.
Without that, it didn't offer enough reason to go to its smaller library than stay on the less expensive, bigger library DS. The Switch will.
I'm looking forward to it.
So the latest handheld system to be released has been a huge success and that's proof that it is the last shout for portable gaming?Fonejackerjon said:
I guess I'm not seeing anything that demonstrates that portable gaming is dying here...
90% of tablets and smartphones have a HDMI out port and bluetooth controllers but its not a feature people care aboutGorfias said:
Going by the reveal trailer Nintendo is pitching the NS less as a home console and more as a handheld device. Out of a 3 minutes 30 seconds trailer there're maybe 30 seconds of a dude playing in front of a TV and the rest is people in different scenarios where they'd rather be indoors but are compelled to leave their hovels so they get to bring the NS outdoors (play in a car! play on a plane! meet chicks with it!). So the emphasis is on portability, not entirely unlike a smartphone or a tablet, and connectivity, which I guess is going to be the selling point, though I think all of these dream scenarios of dozens of people hunching over a single teeny screen or meeting up for a LAN party on the floor are rather unbelievable on an en masse level.
I think the usual suspects are going to zerg rush the NS once it's out but in the long run it's going to boil down to what games you can play on it rather than the novel feature of a tablet you can hook up to your TV.
I think the usual suspects are going to zerg rush the NS once it's out but in the long run it's going to boil down to what games you can play on it rather than the novel feature of a tablet you can hook up to your TV.
Until mobile games can hold a candle to 3DS or even gameboy advance games as a rule rather than exception I'm not inclined to believe portable gaming is dead. A gamer who makes a complete switch from 3DS to mobile is akin to a man who always goes to famous restourants before suddenly deciding to only eat at McDonald from that point on.
Portable gaming also ensures a happy home for developers who don't have the funds for console AAA gaming or who want to dabble in smaller projects.
Portable gaming also ensures a happy home for developers who don't have the funds for console AAA gaming or who want to dabble in smaller projects.
The walking dead, modern combat, broken sword and several other mobile games are far superior in terms of graphic and screen quality on mobile than their dedicated mobile console counterparts and its only going to get better and better.Hades said:
I'm thinking 90% of them have it because people do care about it.Fonejackerjon said:
Sadly, I have an old ASUS tablet. When Onlive was a thing, I tried hooking the tablet up to my TV. I had a wireless USB controller and it was like playing on a PS3 for next to nothing. And I could take the tablet anywhere.
Then... big mistake, I did an update. The controller no longer worked on it. Never has since. It's like the powers that be decided the thing was too much competition.
Now that there are Windows tablets, I wonder if I could do similar things? (I have a few Play anywhere titles: Gears 4, Forza Horizon 3 and Quantum Break.) I can play them on my Xbox 1 and Desktop PC. I have a weak Windows 10 laptop (SSD, 8 Gig RAM, I5 and INTEL HD graphics) with HDMI out port. XBOX One for PC controller. I'll try it and report back with findings.
EDIT: PS. Just watched some reviews of the trailer that point something out to me: even with all the ways I might be able to set up a portable system (laptop with controller) to a big TV and later take it with me, the Switch is pushing one other thing: EASE. It will be easy to grab and go and come back. Even that Asus set up I had was a pain.
Nintendo is a Japanese company. Handhelds have been selling gangbusters in Japan. In fact, the gaming culture over there has been moving more towards handhelds then consoles.Fonejackerjon said:
As it stands, the Switch could go either way. It's a gamble. Instead of fracturing the community, having a console that can be a handheld and a home console could be intriguing. Some people might like the flexibility. A simplicity and flexibility that made consoles successful in the first place. Of course, there are negatives. It won't be as powerful as Xbone and Playstation, for instance. But, then, if you want power then you may as well get a computer. The Xbone and Playstations are basically cheap computers anyway. I just had to buy a new hardrive for my playstation 3 yesterday. The Switch may fail, and it may even fail hard, but I think it's pretty up in the air now.
I know my little brother, whose in sixth grade, called me on the phone and talked my ear off about it for an hour.
Powerful home console experiences don't really exist which is one of the reasons why the current generation of consoles is doing so mediocre in terms of sales and popularity, the PS4 being king cyclops in the land of the blind. As for gaming on smartphones, while that will probably eclipse the switch, that's because everyone has a smartphone, and only the more dedicated gamers buy consoles. Those who want games on a portable device that have some flesh to them, will probably still buy nintendo handhelds or emulate nintendo games on their phone. And the switch can be used as a home console if you want. (we'll have to see whether it's powerful, probably not really)Fonejackerjon said:
So the most recent handheld by nintendo was the best selling thing in gaming since the wii, both in terms of hardware sales and game sales, but this will be totally different now because... ?Fonejackerjon said:
For the moment, I think we just don't know what will happen. Do we even have the specs for this new thing? Or a list of launch games? (Zelda, presumably, but beyond that) Or anything about it beyond a single commercial and speculation?
That's what I was thinking as well. How many mobile games are comparable in gameplay or scope to pokemon red or metroid fusion or advance wars?Hades said:
I had to put my 3DS down to respond to your post.Fonejackerjon said:
Part of the reason it failed was because the memory card prices were too high. Sony also doesn't have the system selling franchises that Nintendo does and on handhelds, Nintendo also has third party support.
The 3DS was failing but Nintendo took steps to fix it. Sony didn't really seem to try.
So, I have an iPhone 6s Plus, an iPad Air and I also have a Nexus 7 (an older but functional tablet) and I have plenty of games on them. Why do I still prefer to play on the 3DS, DS, PSP and Vita? Buttons and stability are the major reasons.
Let's hope it's more stable than gaming on other tablets. I am sure Nintendo updates won't break the games like they do on other tablets.
I must have 49% of a brain then because I still like portable gaming. I don't like the state of modern gaming either and this is what I don't like:
- Forced installs because of Blu Ray (Nintendo has solved this)
- Consoles so powerful that shitty tactics are used to cover dev costs (Hopefully developing for the Switch will be cheaper)
Portable gaming is not dead, and Nintendo has good IPs to sell another console.
Frankly I think the switch is the perfect console for todays market because unlike Sony/Microsoft they're not making another lame PC. And it actually has a function I would actually make heavy use of: On the go gaming. It's taken the very thing I like best about the WiiU and improved upon it- The little handheld screen.
This thing will probably sell like hot cakes. maybe not as good as the Wii but definitely better than the WiiU.
Frankly I think the switch is the perfect console for todays market because unlike Sony/Microsoft they're not making another lame PC. And it actually has a function I would actually make heavy use of: On the go gaming. It's taken the very thing I like best about the WiiU and improved upon it- The little handheld screen.
This thing will probably sell like hot cakes. maybe not as good as the Wii but definitely better than the WiiU.
Fonejackerjon said:
90% you say? where can I find the HDMI port on either of my tablets, the iPad Air or the Nexus 7? Oh and people probably want their physical controls built in, not as a separate controller.
I don't know. I sort of want to get my hands on the system. Partly to see how durable it is, the size of the screen, and the controller.
I think the Switch (fucking hate that name, btw) could go either way. If it has comparable power to the PS4 and X1, and gets the third party support, I think it will sell well. If it does not, it will only be bought by the Nintendo Faithful and everyone else will ignore it completely.
Don't get me wrong, it has the best gimmick that Nintendo has ever come up with, but that's about all I see it as right now.
I think the Switch (fucking hate that name, btw) could go either way. If it has comparable power to the PS4 and X1, and gets the third party support, I think it will sell well. If it does not, it will only be bought by the Nintendo Faithful and everyone else will ignore it completely.
Don't get me wrong, it has the best gimmick that Nintendo has ever come up with, but that's about all I see it as right now.