Nintendo didn't come up with a portable with a TV out. PSP had it and maybe there were other systems that had it before that.Saltyk said:
Why the Nintendo Switch will Fail (and fail hard)
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"Portable gaming is dead", I think I stopped reading in the sentence after that. Seriously, the 3DS has been selling like crazy even before X and Y were announced, and there is a fanbase dedicated enough to keep the Vita alive only through gaming, even though Sony designed it to be a multimedia device.
I wish there was a version of Minecraft to the 3DS so kids could see how welcome and needed actual buttons are instead of the touchscreen-only version theey play on their tablets.
I wish there was a version of Minecraft to the 3DS so kids could see how welcome and needed actual buttons are instead of the touchscreen-only version theey play on their tablets.
Only time will tell. Pointless to speculate on the matter unless you have some stake on it and even then its still just speculation.
The heavy take on gaming on the move alienated me quite a bit as it is not something I look for 95% of the time and if I am going away for long periods and do want a mobile gaming device I want it to be very compact and have good battery life (DS and PSP are about maximum size I would want).
But I am not the same as everyone else. It will be interesting to see if Nintendos gamble pays off. Personally I feel it will continue the trend of being a non entity for a lot of gamers unless it is a lot more powerful than I am currently believing it will be with a lot more 3rd party support. While being to pricy and cumbersome for casual players unless it is a lot cheaper and smaller than I believe it will be.
The heavy take on gaming on the move alienated me quite a bit as it is not something I look for 95% of the time and if I am going away for long periods and do want a mobile gaming device I want it to be very compact and have good battery life (DS and PSP are about maximum size I would want).
But I am not the same as everyone else. It will be interesting to see if Nintendos gamble pays off. Personally I feel it will continue the trend of being a non entity for a lot of gamers unless it is a lot more powerful than I am currently believing it will be with a lot more 3rd party support. While being to pricy and cumbersome for casual players unless it is a lot cheaper and smaller than I believe it will be.
Wow so much doom and gloom. But thats the trend in the Escapists isn't it? The reveal is literally 3 days old, a littlesoon for prediction no? OKay I'll bite.
As a preface i haven't bought a nintendo console since the wii, but seriously who didnt buy a wii?
So firstly, notice the trailer feature mostly adults. This is an obvious attempt to show that adults play games, they are trying to shed the stereotype that nintendo i for children, and can be enjoyed by people with lives and responsibilities.
Second. The console doubles as a portable console. No longer is the portable and home console clientele separated, both get to enjoy the exact same games. This is important because you don't need to buy seperate games, this in turn saves a lot of money for consumers. If you prefer to play games at home, no problem. If however you mostly play on the go, this console is still for you. Even better if you like doing both.
Third. It's a social gaming device. Being able to play multiplayer with mutiple devices, controllers or just using the one console. It's very versatile in the ways you can you it for multipler. Even better with my second point of not seperating the player base.
All of that makes me optimistic for this console. If Nintendo plays this right it coulf be a major win for them.
Now it's not all good, there are two things in my opinion that everyone needs to be wary of.
The first being battery life on the go. This thing need to have at LEAST 6-8 hours of battery life when in portable mode. If the rumors are trur that its only 3 hours long, that doesn't bode well for the console portable incentive.
Second, it will need to have 3rd party support for real. If this console can secure many 3rd party games from companies people people want, it can further give people reason to buy it.
But from what ive seen so far, I'm impressed. there is a lot of potential here.
As a preface i haven't bought a nintendo console since the wii, but seriously who didnt buy a wii?
So firstly, notice the trailer feature mostly adults. This is an obvious attempt to show that adults play games, they are trying to shed the stereotype that nintendo i for children, and can be enjoyed by people with lives and responsibilities.
Second. The console doubles as a portable console. No longer is the portable and home console clientele separated, both get to enjoy the exact same games. This is important because you don't need to buy seperate games, this in turn saves a lot of money for consumers. If you prefer to play games at home, no problem. If however you mostly play on the go, this console is still for you. Even better if you like doing both.
Third. It's a social gaming device. Being able to play multiplayer with mutiple devices, controllers or just using the one console. It's very versatile in the ways you can you it for multipler. Even better with my second point of not seperating the player base.
All of that makes me optimistic for this console. If Nintendo plays this right it coulf be a major win for them.
Now it's not all good, there are two things in my opinion that everyone needs to be wary of.
The first being battery life on the go. This thing need to have at LEAST 6-8 hours of battery life when in portable mode. If the rumors are trur that its only 3 hours long, that doesn't bode well for the console portable incentive.
Second, it will need to have 3rd party support for real. If this console can secure many 3rd party games from companies people people want, it can further give people reason to buy it.
But from what ive seen so far, I'm impressed. there is a lot of potential here.
Another day, another Nintendo Doomsayer.
Did it ever occur to anybody here that Nintendo is like the oldest gaming company for a reason?
Nintendo has failed a lot. The virtual boy failed, the gamecube was kinda niche, and then the wii u was a commercial failure. YET THEY ARE STILL HERE. But every single generation we got the "final nail in Nintendo's coffin" people shouting death to the company. And. It. Never. Happens.
The gaming industry exists because of Nintendo. If the whole thing was left to Microsoft we would all be reading books as a hobby.
Did it ever occur to anybody here that Nintendo is like the oldest gaming company for a reason?
Nintendo has failed a lot. The virtual boy failed, the gamecube was kinda niche, and then the wii u was a commercial failure. YET THEY ARE STILL HERE. But every single generation we got the "final nail in Nintendo's coffin" people shouting death to the company. And. It. Never. Happens.
The gaming industry exists because of Nintendo. If the whole thing was left to Microsoft we would all be reading books as a hobby.
Dude, at least wait until launch to start the doomsaying. Heck, I'm actually surprised you waited that long considering Nintendo critics' habits of spelling doom right on the reveal, typically for pretty petty reasons.
But it has a new Zelda game coming out for it. And maybe a new 3D Mario game coming out for it. Those two alone probably means the console will sell more than the Wii UFonejackerjon said:
Pretty sure any time anyone tries to say "Portable gaming is dead" they never really have good facts to back it up. You can't get 3DS/Vita quality games on smartphones. You can't get full support for every game with those bluetooth controlerss for phones. IPs, quality, so many things keep the portable gaming market alive. Especially considering that market thrives in Japan, to the point consoles are more than likely going to lag behind quite fast. Have you seen the Xbox One sales numbers in Japan? It's a total flop over there.
Edit: The Vita also failed because of...
- Over priced memory cards
- Near AAA graphics for companies without the budget to handle it, so being able to afford to use all of the Vita's power was tough to do
- Lack of marketing from Sony
- Lack of support and AAA titles from Sony
- Sony not making efforts to improve the above. They announced not too long ago that they have pulled almost all first party support from it. You tell me what that means
This won't replace the 3DS, and it won't replace the other consoles or PCs. It's creating a gaming format that isn't really there. AAA console gaming on the go without having to lug around a laptop or console, not to mention Breath of the Wild launching with it. This will be a decent success, if not more than the Wii U. It just needs the specs and battery life to back it up. Surely it's obvious to anyone with half a brain
Edit: The Vita also failed because of...
- Over priced memory cards
- Near AAA graphics for companies without the budget to handle it, so being able to afford to use all of the Vita's power was tough to do
- Lack of marketing from Sony
- Lack of support and AAA titles from Sony
- Sony not making efforts to improve the above. They announced not too long ago that they have pulled almost all first party support from it. You tell me what that means
I don't think they have at all. Bringing a console quality title with you where you wanna go, even to a friend's place, and having many methods of having friends join in on the fun (Like the JoyCon controllers) sounds like a smart way of handling it. This pretty much gives you 2 controllers per system, and I think that's a pretty good idea.Fonejackerjon said:
This won't replace the 3DS, and it won't replace the other consoles or PCs. It's creating a gaming format that isn't really there. AAA console gaming on the go without having to lug around a laptop or console, not to mention Breath of the Wild launching with it. This will be a decent success, if not more than the Wii U. It just needs the specs and battery life to back it up. Surely it's obvious to anyone with half a brain
Pokemon is one of the best selling franchises ever. Game Freek could legitimately make a pokemon player to keep handheld gaming Alive. Pokemon Go sold more 3Ds's and Pokemon games. The New 3DS sold out day one and is a biggier appointment then the Wii U. The Wii u Has more games then the New 3DS but sold like shit.
Splatoon alone will ensure that the Switch is on it's way to repeat 3DS numbers in Japan. It's the biggest console game in Japan and it's coming to a device which the Japanese will prefer - mobile console. Expecting 4-5 million Splatoon sales in Japan alone.
Than we have other handheld behemoths - Pokemon, Yokai Watch, Monster Hunter, Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, SSB, 3D Mario.
3DS is sitting at over 21 million units in Japan alone, Vita has 5 million units. Compare this to PS4 which is 3.3 million and Wii U which is slightly less. Switch I think due to it's capability of providing Nintendo and 3rd Party titles on the go has a good chance of exceeding the 3DS numbers if the cross marketing is good.
Nintendo is actually well positioned as a software maker to utilize Mobile/PC Apps/Games to bring people to it's ecosystem. Mario Runner, MarioMaker, PokemonGO, ZeldaBuilder there is a lot of ways to cross market your own game through connected apps, mobile/pc games which enhance the experience of their main titles etc.
It's more of a matter how the West will look at this tablet. Would people decide to buy a $200 or $300 Tablet with the Nintendo Logo. I guess we need to find out but considering everyone has a tablet nowadays with a decent price it could do very well.
Than we have other handheld behemoths - Pokemon, Yokai Watch, Monster Hunter, Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, SSB, 3D Mario.
3DS is sitting at over 21 million units in Japan alone, Vita has 5 million units. Compare this to PS4 which is 3.3 million and Wii U which is slightly less. Switch I think due to it's capability of providing Nintendo and 3rd Party titles on the go has a good chance of exceeding the 3DS numbers if the cross marketing is good.
Nintendo is actually well positioned as a software maker to utilize Mobile/PC Apps/Games to bring people to it's ecosystem. Mario Runner, MarioMaker, PokemonGO, ZeldaBuilder there is a lot of ways to cross market your own game through connected apps, mobile/pc games which enhance the experience of their main titles etc.
It's more of a matter how the West will look at this tablet. Would people decide to buy a $200 or $300 Tablet with the Nintendo Logo. I guess we need to find out but considering everyone has a tablet nowadays with a decent price it could do very well.
I believe this to be true.Johnny Novgorod said:
Nintendo released a list of 40+ companies who told them that they will support the Switch (God I liked "Nintendo NX" better xD), but in the end it will go down as how many (good)games will actually be made to the console. Yes we got Elder Scrolls in the trailer, but they said the same thing about the WiiU. Then we got good games which were X360/PS3 ports at launch and then the support ended. (This didn't bother me much, since I didn't have a PS3/X360, so I got a few good launch games I hadn't played before). But the same can't happen again. In the future, the same games being released on PS4/XOne and their future platforms, must also be on the Switch, if Nintendo want to keep up.
I myself think the Switch looks neat. Now I'm waiting for next year to get to know a little more about specs and future plans (prices, games and more).
The problem for me is that on the mobile side of the Switch Nintendo will be competing against themselves and the 3DS. Are people going to want to carry around a tablet, with peripherals, over a single unit that can easily be slipped into a pocket?
On the home system front if it doesn't have the power to match the One and PS4, let alone their upgraded versions, are third party developers going to want to a second bump down (maybe a third if they are making a PC version) in order to get the games to run on the Switch?
It seems to me that Nintendo have created a system that is a jack of all trades but a master of none
On the home system front if it doesn't have the power to match the One and PS4, let alone their upgraded versions, are third party developers going to want to a second bump down (maybe a third if they are making a PC version) in order to get the games to run on the Switch?
It seems to me that Nintendo have created a system that is a jack of all trades but a master of none
Gonna echo everyone else; handheld gaming is far from dead. That doesn't mean its a guaranteed success, but it doesn't mean it'll flop either.
For all the talk of "No-one will want it"... I was at work today. Two guys that would easily be described as dudebros that I worked with were talking about the recent console reveals. Xbone/PS4 upgrades: "Jesus Christ. I mean, why? It'll play a couple of 4K movies and maybe a handful of 4K games. Maybe. I don't even have a 4K TV, its pointless". Nintendo Switch: "Holy shit this thing is gonna revolutionise gaming. I mean shit, did you see the controllers? And you can slide them out and bring them with you and... I mean, gotta wait for the specs, but it looks sweet".
I think the interest in the console is there. Nintendo just has to deliver now.
The Switch? If it comes close to the power of a basic Xbone or PS4 [Which isn't guaranteed, but it seemed to be playing Skyrim, which implies an ok level of power to begin with], then devs will just use the slightly lower benchmark in all likelihood, and make a game that runs on all systems. You won't have to sacrifice a lot more to get it to run on the Switch, and you'd potentially gain many more sales if the console is successful, so business wise I see it going that way. Of course, this does depend on the Switch's exact specs, and whether or not it is similar to current gen consoles, but overall I see the Switch at the very least sustaining itself on its own titles, provided Nintendo times the releases properly - and seeing as Bethesda and some other third party have been talking about collaborating and supporting the Switch, even if not confirming their titles will appear on it, it seems like Nintendo has got some third party support lined up and getting ready, unlike with the WiiU where all the games that people wanted it for were delayed until long after release, when interest had faded.
For all the talk of "No-one will want it"... I was at work today. Two guys that would easily be described as dudebros that I worked with were talking about the recent console reveals. Xbone/PS4 upgrades: "Jesus Christ. I mean, why? It'll play a couple of 4K movies and maybe a handful of 4K games. Maybe. I don't even have a 4K TV, its pointless". Nintendo Switch: "Holy shit this thing is gonna revolutionise gaming. I mean shit, did you see the controllers? And you can slide them out and bring them with you and... I mean, gotta wait for the specs, but it looks sweet".
I think the interest in the console is there. Nintendo just has to deliver now.
Actually, Sony and MS have kind of shot themselves in the foot here. The PS4/Xbone upgrades are, essentially, something devs don't want. All games that run on them must also run on the normal PS4/Xbone, just so its easy to use for Microsoft/Sony's customers; if I have an Xbone, I can play all Xbone games. This means that devs have to create that lower level to begin with, and its a question of whether its worth it to create the upgraded level or not, which a lot of the time it probably won't be as I'm seeing poor adoption rates for a console that is trying to be a PC, with all the detriments, but none of the real benefits.votemarvel said:
The Switch? If it comes close to the power of a basic Xbone or PS4 [Which isn't guaranteed, but it seemed to be playing Skyrim, which implies an ok level of power to begin with], then devs will just use the slightly lower benchmark in all likelihood, and make a game that runs on all systems. You won't have to sacrifice a lot more to get it to run on the Switch, and you'd potentially gain many more sales if the console is successful, so business wise I see it going that way. Of course, this does depend on the Switch's exact specs, and whether or not it is similar to current gen consoles, but overall I see the Switch at the very least sustaining itself on its own titles, provided Nintendo times the releases properly - and seeing as Bethesda and some other third party have been talking about collaborating and supporting the Switch, even if not confirming their titles will appear on it, it seems like Nintendo has got some third party support lined up and getting ready, unlike with the WiiU where all the games that people wanted it for were delayed until long after release, when interest had faded.