Why the Skyrim boycott is a waste of time and missing enjoyment.

[Shadow-Phoenix]

Upon reading this thread i can now guarantee what you wrote was a general waste of my time since your view was not an unbiased one.

Please don't go around telling people what to do it just makes you look stupid and whiny not to mention fanboyish.

And it also won't hurt the sales figures at all if you paid attention to previous sales.

If you feel it a waste then I apologize.

I'm not telling people what to do, though I could see why you would think that, I just wish people would actually think more you know?

What do you want them to think more of?, what is it that you want them to see through your eyes?, that Beth is in the right?.

All you have to do is just present an unbiased opinion or at least show one in order to let everyone know both sides are equal to one another instead of claiming obvious opinions that Beth is in the right.

I don't want to come off to you like i'm acting against you i just want an unbasied view of the situation so we can all agree on both sides.

 

[ramboondiea]

you want to know what the real problem with boycotting a game, the people who say they will boycott it are the people who actually give a damn about it and will most likely buckle to temptation and give up because they are fickle fucks. im sick of 0people saying there going to boycott over every little thing, and im not even going to comment on the whole lawsuit thing because it will just rile me up ha

 

[immortalfrieza]

My overall point? Boycotting an awesome looking game because your overlord says hes completely innocent is just being stupid, please for the love of god use your brain.

Personally, I don't listen to these boycotters anyway, they're always either people that are full of it and are going to buy the game eventually anyway, or people that hate the game and never would have bought it to begin with.

 

[Saviordd1]

What do you want them to think more of?, what is it that you want them to see through your eyes?, that Beth is in the right?.

All you have to do is just present an unbiased opinion or at least show one in order to let everyone know both sides are equal to one another instead of claiming obvious opinions that Beth is in the right.

I don't want to come off to you like i'm acting against you i just want an unbasied view of the situation so we can all agree on both sides.

Then I cant help you, I'm biased its just the way I am, sorry.

 

[Darth Sea Bass]

I'm a fan of minecraft yeah but at this point bethsoft could analy rape my grandmother while pouring sugar in the petrol tank of my car (if i had one) and i'd still buy skyrim cos it looks fucking AWESOME!

 

[Epona]

Upon reading this thread i can now guarantee what you wrote was a general waste of my time since your view was not an unbiased one.

Please don't go around telling people what to do it just makes you look stupid and whiny not to mention fanboyish.

And it also won't hurt the sales figures at all if you paid attention to previous sales.

If you feel it a waste then I apologize.

I'm not telling people what to do, though I could see why you would think that, I just wish people would actually think more you know?

Gamers are finally beginning to stand up for something and you're trying to discourage it. If anything, you are telling people to stop thinking for themselves.

The difference between someone saying they are going to boycott Skyrim and someone saying "Don't do it, it's just a waste of time" is that the first person isn't trying to get anyone else to do something while the second person is.

Fine you know what, I just had a mood lifting moment thanks to another thread so I'm not gonna keep arguing to badly.

They can boycott, I just hope they can read both sides and truly decide for themselves.

They have already decided for themselves. There is no shortage of "boycotts never work" attitudes so if they decided to boycott, it's because they thought through it and decided to go against the grain.

 

[TheTurtleMan]

No, the Skyrim boycott is a waste of time because ALL video game boycotts are a waste of time. Name one successful boycott in the past and I'll name ten others that didn't succeed. All you are doing by boycotting a game is taking away entertainment from yourself, you aren't sticking it to the man or making the game companies take a long hard look in the mirror. That's of course assuming that half the people that say they're boycotting games actually boycott the games and don't just wait a week until they buy it.

I really wish that game companies wouldn't release information like Zenimax suing Mojang out to the public because it is strictly business. This isn't the big kid bullying the wimpy kid, it's an actual legal situation being worked out by two companies. Also, have people ever stopped to think that it isn't the game developers who are doing the suing? The actual people selling the game probably have nothing to do with these situations, it's just the asshole lawyer squads duking it out.

 

[Epona]

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This is very true, however I ask why should we care?

If these people are stupid enough to get incredibly worked up about a lawsuit, out of the game devs control which will ultimately have no effect on their lives and is unlikely to be more than a footnote in the lives of those involved. Well, they don't deserve to play Skyrim.

HOPE YOU ROT CRIMINAL SCUM!

Maybe they'll buy it used and give the money to Gamestop.

 

[Normandyfoxtrot]

Let them boycott if they want. If they feel it's a legitimate reason, there's no point in stopping them.

Boycotting boycotts gets us nowhere.

Exactly and it shows that gamers do have limits. That we aren't just druggies who will do/ignore anything for our next fix. That's what some gamers sound like to me, "I don't care about anything but getting my hands on ".

honestly, that's pretty much me. why should i care? i'm a consumer. i want quality product. i'm not a druggie. i'm just someone who at the end of the day wants the game that appeals to me most.

if minecraft doesn't survive this legal battle (i really don't understand how, it's no longer some little game- it's generated millions of dollars) it's simply natural selection in my eyes. if it survives (which it obviously will, i mean c'mon) well... then everything's back to normal then, isn't it?

the boycott can only hurt, and that's why i don't see the point of it.

That's the point of a boycott, to hurt sales, how can you miss the point of a boycott?

no. boycotts are to accomplish something good. in 1955 people boycotted buses in order to put an end to racial segregation. whats this for? to show bethesda that a small portion of their fanbase gets pissy whenever they do something the fanbase deems incorrect? what does this accomplish other than hurting people who put four years into making an awesome game?

it just comes off as childish to me. i dunno.

Oh, so your opinion is that boycotts should never be used for anything smaller than stopping racial segregation? Whatever.

Boycotts are a consumer tool to affect change and they do so by hurting sales of a product or a series of products.

i used racial segregation as an example.

we've explained that we want to hurt sales- why?

'cause we're mad? what does this change? nothing.

It's the consumers way of telling a company they don't approve of something. You can say "I don't approve of this Bethesda" but if you go out and buy Skyrim they won't care. It only matters when you speak with your wallet (ie, boycott).

Um, your boycotting zenimax technically in fact I don't think I've seen many gamer boycotts against actually developers.

Um, Zenimax owns Bethesda.

If you boycotted Wal Mart, would you be ok with people saying "what about those poor clerks that you aren't giving money to"?

It's worth separating one's reputation for the other, Bethesda is still a pseudo independent entity. If Bethesda leaves Zenimax any smear their reputation has carries along with them unlike a Wal-mart employee.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Um, Zenimax owns Bethesda.

If you boycotted Wal Mart, would you be ok with people saying "what about those poor clerks that you aren't giving money to"?

But boycotting Bethesda is not boycotting Zenimax. Following your analogy, boycotting Bethesda is boycotting the makeup counter at Walmart and continuing to shop in the rest of the store. None of these idiotic posts say "I am boycotting Zenimax", they all say "I am boycotting Skyrim". As if Skyrim as an entity is responsible for a lawsuit launched against Mojang.

Furthermore, I'm willing to bet precious few people involved in the "boycott" have even the slightest understanding of copyright law, or the nature of the lawsuit beyond some press clippings they read on the internet. So they're boycotting from a position of ignorance, in addition to boycotting the wrong entity.

So forget for a moment that boycotting a video game to protest the ill treatment of another video game is ludicrous from the perspective of sound ethical priorities, almost no one involved has any real idea of what they're doing, who they're doing it to, or why. They just read an article and turned into keyboard warriors. Slacktivism in action.

 

[RobCoxxy]

I'm more interested in Skyrim than Scrolls.

Sorry Notch.

 

[Epona]

Let them boycott if they want. If they feel it's a legitimate reason, there's no point in stopping them.

Boycotting boycotts gets us nowhere.

Exactly and it shows that gamers do have limits. That we aren't just druggies who will do/ignore anything for our next fix. That's what some gamers sound like to me, "I don't care about anything but getting my hands on ".

honestly, that's pretty much me. why should i care? i'm a consumer. i want quality product. i'm not a druggie. i'm just someone who at the end of the day wants the game that appeals to me most.

if minecraft doesn't survive this legal battle (i really don't understand how, it's no longer some little game- it's generated millions of dollars) it's simply natural selection in my eyes. if it survives (which it obviously will, i mean c'mon) well... then everything's back to normal then, isn't it?

the boycott can only hurt, and that's why i don't see the point of it.

That's the point of a boycott, to hurt sales, how can you miss the point of a boycott?

no. boycotts are to accomplish something good. in 1955 people boycotted buses in order to put an end to racial segregation. whats this for? to show bethesda that a small portion of their fanbase gets pissy whenever they do something the fanbase deems incorrect? what does this accomplish other than hurting people who put four years into making an awesome game?

it just comes off as childish to me. i dunno.

Oh, so your opinion is that boycotts should never be used for anything smaller than stopping racial segregation? Whatever.

Boycotts are a consumer tool to affect change and they do so by hurting sales of a product or a series of products.

i used racial segregation as an example.

we've explained that we want to hurt sales- why?

'cause we're mad? what does this change? nothing.

It's the consumers way of telling a company they don't approve of something. You can say "I don't approve of this Bethesda" but if you go out and buy Skyrim they won't care. It only matters when you speak with your wallet (ie, boycott).

Um, your boycotting zenimax technically in fact I don't think I've seen many gamer boycotts against actually developers.

Um, Zenimax owns Bethesda.

If you boycotted Wal Mart, would you be ok with people saying "what about those poor clerks that you aren't giving money to"?

It's worth separating one's reputation for the other, Bethesda is still a pseudo independent entity. If Bethesda leaves Zenimax any smear their reputation has carries along with them unlike a Wal-mart employee.

They haven't left Zenimax so by paying Bethesda, you are paying Zenimax. Simple.

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

What do you want them to think more of?, what is it that you want them to see through your eyes?, that Beth is in the right?.

All you have to do is just present an unbiased opinion or at least show one in order to let everyone know both sides are equal to one another instead of claiming obvious opinions that Beth is in the right.

I don't want to come off to you like i'm acting against you i just want an unbasied view of the situation so we can all agree on both sides.

Then I cant help you, I'm biased its just the way I am, sorry.

I like both companies and i want them to settle this tiny little depute in a well mannered way so that both can settle their differences once and for all so that people can still love Mojang and Beth.

I can't hold it against you being biased as for one or two instances i myself have been in that position but the outcome of this won't really change anything which is why i never start threads trying to sway people to my own opinion as it never usually works that way because there are always two sides of a coin and you never know which side lands face down or up.

 

[cookyy2k]

No, the Skyrim boycott is a waste of time because ALL video game boycotts are a waste of time. Name one successful boycott in the past and I'll name ten others that didn't succeed. All you are doing by boycotting a game is taking away entertainment from yourself, you aren't sticking it to the man or making the game companies take a long hard look in the mirror. That's of course assuming that half the people that say they're boycotting games actually boycott the games and don't just wait a week until they buy it.

I really wish that game companies wouldn't release information like Zenimax suing Mojang out to the public because it is strictly business. This isn't the big kid bullying the wimpy kid, it's an actual legal situation being worked out by two companies. Also, have people ever stopped to think that it isn't the game developers who are doing the suing? The actual people selling the game probably have nothing to do with these situations, it's just the asshole lawyer squads duking it out.

You know the trends in video gaming that are becoming really annoying. All those online passes and DRMs that screw you. Well your attitude is to blame. "No one boycott because it wont work" translates to "do what you want to us, we wont react" in publisher speak.

 

[loc978]

I've seen more anti-boycott threads on this Skyrim debacle... one would almost think there are some people here who are actually worried for ol' Bethesda. My take on it: if people want to boycott, let 'em. If they ask you to and you don't want to, say no.
...just stop jumping down their throats over what you think they're not going to carry through on.

Disclaimer: I consider the Elder Scrolls series to be a mediocre, generic Tolkienesque fantasy series. I wouldn't buy the damn thing regardless.

 

[cthulhumythos]

Let them boycott if they want. If they feel it's a legitimate reason, there's no point in stopping them.

Boycotting boycotts gets us nowhere.

Exactly and it shows that gamers do have limits. That we aren't just druggies who will do/ignore anything for our next fix. That's what some gamers sound like to me, "I don't care about anything but getting my hands on ".

honestly, that's pretty much me. why should i care? i'm a consumer. i want quality product. i'm not a druggie. i'm just someone who at the end of the day wants the game that appeals to me most.

if minecraft doesn't survive this legal battle (i really don't understand how, it's no longer some little game- it's generated millions of dollars) it's simply natural selection in my eyes. if it survives (which it obviously will, i mean c'mon) well... then everything's back to normal then, isn't it?

the boycott can only hurt, and that's why i don't see the point of it.

That's the point of a boycott, to hurt sales, how can you miss the point of a boycott?

no. boycotts are to accomplish something good. in 1955 people boycotted buses in order to put an end to racial segregation. whats this for? to show bethesda that a small portion of their fanbase gets pissy whenever they do something the fanbase deems incorrect? what does this accomplish other than hurting people who put four years into making an awesome game?

it just comes off as childish to me. i dunno.

Oh, so your opinion is that boycotts should never be used for anything smaller than stopping racial segregation? Whatever.

Boycotts are a consumer tool to affect change and they do so by hurting sales of a product or a series of products.

i used racial segregation as an example.

we've explained that we want to hurt sales- why?

'cause we're mad? what does this change? nothing.

It's the consumers way of telling a company they don't approve of something. You can say "I don't approve of this Bethesda" but if you go out and buy Skyrim they won't care. It only matters when you speak with your wallet (ie, boycott).

yes, but what does that do? does it make them go "i guess we shouldn't do lawsuits defending our intellectual property anymore" ? no. because that's stupid. it just sucks for the people who worked on the game.

 

[Lt. Vinciti]

Boycotting a game is pointless

At some point you will give in and buy the game.

Bethesda aren't bad people, their legal team are just being assholes who won't do the Quake 3 match.

This.

Besides

ZENIMAX is suing NOTCH

Zenimax owns Bethesda....Im pretty sure the people makin Skyrim dont even care as 11/11/11 is coming closer...

Also...a boycott? Right....so what...."Defend Notch! Buy Battlefield 3! Buy Modern Warfare 3!" (We all know these publishers are....eviler then most if you prefer to use the term)

 

[Normandyfoxtrot]

Let them boycott if they want. If they feel it's a legitimate reason, there's no point in stopping them.

Boycotting boycotts gets us nowhere.

Exactly and it shows that gamers do have limits. That we aren't just druggies who will do/ignore anything for our next fix. That's what some gamers sound like to me, "I don't care about anything but getting my hands on ".

honestly, that's pretty much me. why should i care? i'm a consumer. i want quality product. i'm not a druggie. i'm just someone who at the end of the day wants the game that appeals to me most.

if minecraft doesn't survive this legal battle (i really don't understand how, it's no longer some little game- it's generated millions of dollars) it's simply natural selection in my eyes. if it survives (which it obviously will, i mean c'mon) well... then everything's back to normal then, isn't it?

the boycott can only hurt, and that's why i don't see the point of it.

That's the point of a boycott, to hurt sales, how can you miss the point of a boycott?

no. boycotts are to accomplish something good. in 1955 people boycotted buses in order to put an end to racial segregation. whats this for? to show bethesda that a small portion of their fanbase gets pissy whenever they do something the fanbase deems incorrect? what does this accomplish other than hurting people who put four years into making an awesome game?

it just comes off as childish to me. i dunno.

Oh, so your opinion is that boycotts should never be used for anything smaller than stopping racial segregation? Whatever.

Boycotts are a consumer tool to affect change and they do so by hurting sales of a product or a series of products.

i used racial segregation as an example.

we've explained that we want to hurt sales- why?

'cause we're mad? what does this change? nothing.

It's the consumers way of telling a company they don't approve of something. You can say "I don't approve of this Bethesda" but if you go out and buy Skyrim they won't care. It only matters when you speak with your wallet (ie, boycott).

Um, your boycotting zenimax technically in fact I don't think I've seen many gamer boycotts against actually developers.

Um, Zenimax owns Bethesda.

If you boycotted Wal Mart, would you be ok with people saying "what about those poor clerks that you aren't giving money to"?

It's worth separating one's reputation for the other, Bethesda is still a pseudo independent entity. If Bethesda leaves Zenimax any smear their reputation has carries along with them unlike a Wal-mart employee.

They haven't left Zenimax so buy paying Bethesda, you are paying Zenimax. Simple.

But if your boycott Bethesda for Zenimax's actions your taring Bethesda's name for something they had no control over even if they end their connection to zenimax their still going to be connected to it likely instead of Zenimax. Blame to whom it is due.

 

[ninetails593]

He ALSO offered to drop the trademark on the word Scrolls. In other words, they complied happily, talking about it like it was nothing, and they're still getting sued. Maybe you need to use your brain before you start spewing hate.