Why the Wii won

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Ace of Spades

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As far as I'm concerned, the Wii lost. I have one, and I can't remember the last time I bought a game for it. It has been gathering dust with the complete lack of good games coming out for it. There was Zelda Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy, Super Paper Mario, and Metroid Prime 3, and that was it. If something mind-blowing comes out for it, then I'll recant my statment.
 

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Sewblon said:
I have heard a lot of complaints about the Wii And I don't get as much use out of mine as I would like to but it outsold the Xbox 360 and the Playstiation 3 combined. How did nintendo do it? I think it was the marketing and the expectation of gameplay innovation instead of just glistening graphics and Havoc physics.
Well, the PS2 outsold the Wii.

I mean, if we're going to compare apples to oranges.
 

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axia777 said:
It is business and selling out at the same time. But Nintendo dose not care. That is why I don't care about Nintendo anymore. I supported them during the GameCube days, but now they can bloody well piss off.
I stopped after the Gamecube too.
 

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BallPtPenTheif said:
Sewblon said:
I have heard a lot of complaints about the Wii And I don't get as much use out of mine as I would like to but it outsold the Xbox 360 and the Playstiation 3 combined. How did nintendo do it? I think it was the marketing and the expectation of gameplay innovation instead of just glistening graphics and Havoc physics.
Well, the PS2 outsold the Wii.

I mean, if we're going to compare apples to oranges.
The Wii is part of this console generation, the PS2 is not. The
Wii is competing against the PS3 and The Xbox360 and the Wii is winning.
 

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Indigo_Dingo said:
Please, don't argue with reality. The Ps3 has some outstanding offers now and in the future, but it doesn't have enough of an audience to overtake the Wii. Sony underestimated the size of the potential-new-gamer market. The Wii doesn't need anything else - its market has not reached saturation, and can continue to sell solely on what it has now.
You discount many factors. For example, when happens if the PS3 comes down in price to $299.99? Blu Ray is not failing what ever you may hear and the PS3 is getting many more games. In a ten year life span for the PS3 many things can happen.
 

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In my opinion, the Wii has (so far) out performed the others by being the second console. Most console gamers own either an Xbox360 or a PS3, not both of those. What is the logic of owning both when they are more or less the same device anyway? Almost all games that appear on the PS3 appear on the Xbox360, and vice versa. Yes, I know that both have exclusives, but do those exclusives justify shelling out 300 dollars on a PS3? Or a monthly fee for an Xbox Live account?

So if you get one of those, and decide to get another console, the best option is the Wii.
 

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Ace of Spades said:
As far as I'm concerned, the Wii lost. I have one, and I can't remember the last time I bought a game for it. It has been gathering dust with the complete lack of good games coming out for it. There was Zelda Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy, Super Paper Mario, and Metroid Prime 3, and that was it. If something mind-blowing comes out for it, then I'll recant my statment.
I meant for this discussion to be about the quantitative factors in the console market. Everyone, please do not mention what games that you like or do not like and do not talk about Nintendo or anyone else "selling out."
 

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I for one don't care about the 'winning' of any console. What I do like about the Wii however, is how it opened up not only the market for games, but also a lot of peoples minds about what gaming is and can be. Before, my mom would not understand how I could enjoy gaming so much, then she played a bit of Wii sports and totally got it.

We have the traditional consoles in the 360 and PS3, which for all intents and purposes are fine machines, we don't really need a 3rd party on the same setting as they are. The Wii took a different road and did it well without leaving us gamers hanging, imo.
 

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Sewblon said:
Ace of Spades said:
As far as I'm concerned, the Wii lost. I have one, and I can't remember the last time I bought a game for it. It has been gathering dust with the complete lack of good games coming out for it. There was Zelda Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy, Super Paper Mario, and Metroid Prime 3, and that was it. If something mind-blowing comes out for it, then I'll recant my statment.
I meant for this discussion to be about the quantitative factors in the console market. Everyone, please do not mention what games that you like or do not like and do not talk about Nintendo or anyone else "selling out."
K
 

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Aside from the one or two new innovations we have seen from Nintendo themselves (Wii Fit, Wii Music, and Wii Sports), the Wii is a garbage dump of shovel-ware. Instead of focusing on high quality games, we see Ubisoft shit out a new Petz or Animalz or Prostitutez. Why? Because they see casual gamers eating this shit up in barrels.
And yet you still manage to miss my point: that by your logic (new gamers = n00bz = shitty games) the release of any titles or consoles in the past which helped spur the commercial growth of the game industry was inherently bad, because it encouraged the release of shovelware which appealed to mainstream tastes. Unfortunately, at best the sentiments you're expressing suggest a troublous relationship with reality, as the game industry - and I understand that certain periods yielded better games than others - has generally managed to become more diverse and improve in spite of having continually become more commercial.

I have no doubt that the Wii already has and will have a profound influence on the industry. Of course, you seem to be under the assumption that any influence is necessarily a good influence. I praised the Wii early on in it's life-cycle due to the innovative controls that it brought, but have quickly come to realize that these innovative controls have largely been ignored by third-party developers and only Nintendo has occasionally stepped up to the plate to use these innovative controls in interesting ways.
I remember saying early on, when I first heard news of the Wii's control scheme, that the risk of pursuing it was that Nintendo would alienate third-parties who wanted to cheaply and easily port games (which has now become the bread and butter of the industry). So much for console customization.

But in any case, I wouldn't neccessarily assert that the influence of the Wii is negative. I say this because I find the presumption elitist that what's positive is consoles which appeal to an 'installed' user base: by contrast, I think it's possible that by opening the demographic floodgates, and revitalizing interest in simplist design, the Wii has provoked a major re-thinking of the way games are developed and who they appeal to, which could help get them off the 'beaten path' they've slavishly followed since atleast the sixth generation. This re-thinking, I should add, has nothing to do with Bratz or Petz or Prostitutez: those are simply growth pains, which attest to the impossibility of successfully diverging from industry formula overnight - handheld gaming wasn't exactly a golden pantheon when the Game Boy was first released, was it?

I don't hate kids, it's just their under-developed taste for entertainment tends to put out pretty bad stuff.
Again, your logic is inconsistent. Alot of kids owned the NES when it released the likes of Mario Bros., Zelda, Dragon Quest and Metroid. "Maturity" is in no way synonymous with "quality", nor even the ability to discern what media is worthwhile: Toy Story, for example, is still a categorically "better" movie than alot of the bullshit that adults watch. Children know as well as anyone else when they're dissatisfied with what they're playing.
 

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The reason why the WII is "winning" is because they managed to con everyone into thinking that they are actually doing something because they are jumping on a piece of plastic and waving a remote around. When I played a game on the WII I realized that it is actually harder to do something on the WII mote that would have been so much easier on a normal controller. I could just as easily press the A button on a normal controller to make Link swing a sword but instead I have to wave the WII-mote everywhere. I think it is dumb to fall for such a stupid gimmick when even the PS2 has better playing and better looking games then anything that the WII has and most of the ports to the WII are ten times worse than the PS3 or Xbox 360 version but then I remember people also brought Platform shoes with fish in them, pet rocks, iron ons, mood rings, Chia pets, sea-monkeys, furry seat covers and rims for their tires and millions were sold. I would like to add the WII to that list of mostly cheap junk.
 

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Richard Groovy Pants said:
Indigo_Dingo said:
axia777 said:
Eggo said:
It seems people are either defining the winner by quantitative measures such as console sales (Wii wins that obviously) or by qualitative measures such as...well, whatever helps them say that the Wii hasn't won.
But it hasn't yet Eggo. This current gen of consoles is far from being over. I think this is more of a "Rabbit and the Hare" situation than anything else. For all we know the Wii could tank in a year of so and the Ps3 could sell in upwards of 100 million+ in the next few years. You never can tell.
Please, don't argue with reality. The Ps3 has some outstanding offers now and in the future, but it doesn't have enough of an audience to overtake the Wii. Sony underestimated the size of the potential-new-gamer market. The Wii doesn't need anything else - its market has not reached saturation, and can continue to sell solely on what it has now.
See? Look at this man, children, and behold his awesomeness.
This guy right here is a big PS3 fanboy and he still can admit that Sony and the PS3 has flaws and screwed up at some point.
You people saying that the Wii didn't won should wake up and smell the coffee.

In sales they did. For now.
This might or might not change in the future but at least look at the charts and concede.
Boo-hoo your console isn't the most popular, so what?
You can still have fun with it right? Why defend it beyond logical understanding?

I hate and at the same time I love this console generation, it brought so much decent games, made such breakthroughs, but on the other it spawned the fanboy. Grr.
Damnit, now I'm going to have to follow Indigo on this new pathway of thoughts! Curse fanboys of fanboys that are fanboys of the same thing! Why must Indigo be logical this time, therefore making me have to agree with him?!?!

I don't even know what I said, but either way I'm with you Richy (can I call you that? Richy?), I'm suddenly filled with respect for Indigo.

Now, can we lock this thread?
 
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Eggo said:
tiamat5 said:
The reason why the WII is "winning" is because they managed to con everyone into thinking that they are actually doing something because they are jumping on a piece of plastic and waving a remote around. When I played a game on the WII I realized that it is actually harder to do something on the WII mote that would have been so much easier on a normal controller. I could just as easily press the A button on a normal controller to make Link swing a sword but instead I have to wave the WII-mote everywhere. I think it is dumb to fall for such a stupid gimmick when even the PS2 has better playing and better looking games then anything that the WII has and most of the ports to the WII are ten times worse than the PS3 or Xbox 360 version but then I remember people also brought Platform shoes with fish in them, pet rocks, iron ons, mood rings, Chia pets, sea-monkeys, furry seat covers and rims for their tires and millions were sold. I would like to add the WII to that list of mostly cheap junk.
You think that's a stupid gimmick?

When I played a game on the Xbox 360, I realized that it is actually harder to do something on the Xbox 360 controller that would have been so much easier on a mouse and keyboard. I could just as easily move the mouse to aim precisely from any angle like I have done for almost two decades but instead I had to painfully waggle my thumb around like a gormless ape. I think it is dumb to fall for such a stupid gimmick when even the PC has better playing and better looking games than anything that the Xbox 360 has and most ports to the Xbox 360 are ten times worse than the PC version but then I remember people also bought Platform shoes with fish in them, pet rocks, iron ons, mood red rings of death, Chia pets, sea-monkeys, furry seat covers and rims for their tires and millions were sold. I would like to add the Xbox 360 to that list of mostly cheap junk.
I don't know, Gears Of War 2 on my bro's hi-def 24" monitor is overall the best looking game I've seen on any system, PC or otherwise. It'll no doubt be beaten by some other game on PC relatively soon, but in the meantime... And isn't mostly the other way around, the PC gets the dodgy ports of Xbox 360 games? If you are talking about games that are simultaneously released on PC and console then are correct that the PC versions are by and large superior.

Also it depends what you are used to. After years of console gaming I have the necessary thumb-related dexterity to surpass my mouse and keyboard skills (I sometimes overshoot targets with the mouse - could be my shit mouse though). If you played with a controller long enough instead of slagging things off you'd find it becomes second nature.
 

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Ultrajoe said:
Won is a relative term, and depends on what you call a 'win'.

In sales, certainly, but in sales to actual 'gamers'? Well, i haven't seen the statistics to make a call on that.
Three types of lies....

Sorry back on topic.

The Wii might sell more, but I'd bet there are more paperclips been sold than computers, which do you think won? Ok stupid exapmle but that?s my point.

Win when applied to video games isn't something that can be judged by sales, it?s judged by more than one thing. My hopes were on 360, but I realized it simply doesn?t matter, when you can tell which console ?Won? you?ll be too old to care.The race isn't over so don't expect to collect on your bets.

But it won because it was cheep, to answer your question.