Why the XBone is a good console

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

I don't know what you're talking about. The Kinect was a record-selling electronic device. There's no reason to persue this line of thinking.

How many of those Kinects were actually plugged into an Xbox and how many were used by engineers and computer scientists because they were a cheap 3D camera?

Or better yet, how many of those Kinects are sitting in their original boxes collecting dust in the corner like mine is? LOL! Sure people bought them, but many who did don't want them.

Mine just came as a packaged deal on the last xbox I bought. Tried it for a week and stuck it back in the box where it stayed.

 

[Terramax]

Nothing has been overstated.

None of the restrictions mentioned were in previous games consoles. There is no reason for them to be mandatory now. None of the restrictions benefit the consumer.

Case closed.

 

[Karadalis]

I don't know what you're talking about. The Kinect was a record-selling electronic device. There's no reason to persue this line of thinking.

How many of those Kinects were actually plugged into an Xbox and how many were used by engineers and computer scientists because they were a cheap 3D camera?

Or better yet, how many of those Kinects are sitting in their original boxes collecting dust in the corner like mine is? LOL! Sure people bought them, but many who did don't want them.

Mine just came as a packaged deal on the last xbox I bought. Tried it for a week and stuck it back in the box where it stayed.

Or how many bought them with the promise of awesome new hardcore games?

And what did they got?

Steel battailion... and we know how that trainwreck turned out.

I think the kinect works on the principle of: "Fool me once...."

 

[Something Amyss]

How many of those Kinects were actually plugged into an Xbox and how many were used by engineers and computer scientists because they were a cheap 3D camera?

How is that relevant to the inane claims that Microsoft thinks they "didn't sell enough" Kinects?

Or better yet, how many of those Kinects are sitting in their original boxes collecting dust in the corner like mine is? LOL! Sure people bought them, but many who did don't want them.

And now we're just outright pimp-slapping logic.

 

[Doom-Slayer]

1. Used games:
2. Game sharing:
3. 24h offline time:
4. Evil spying Kinect:
5. Hardware:
6. Features:
7. Controller:
8. Design:
9. Games/Exclusives:
10. Price:

Heres a basic breakdown from a nonbiased point of view.

1. Used games: bad for customers, Sony -1 MS - 0
2. Game sharing: subjective, disc sharing is easier if broadband not available, sharing option easier if it is available.
3. 24h offline time: bad for constomers Sony -2 MS -0
4. Evil spying Kinect: If we accept it isnt a bad thing, its not positive either.
5. Hardware: Worse than the PS4, objectively proven. Son - 3 MS -0
6. Features: subjective, depending if you want games or movies
7. Controller: subjective
8. Design: subjective
9. Games/Exclusives: subjective
10. Price: more expensive for no reason, Son - 4 MS - 0

And thats that. MS has no things that are STRICTLY better than the PS4, only things that could be subjectively better. And Sony has multiple things objectively better.

PS: This is coming from someone who isnt going to get either and does not own a console.

 

[Winthrop]

It... really isn't. The entire system is made so you can't trade physical copies of games without giving them to specific 'partnered retailers' who are going to be Gamestop, Game, EB Games, etc, etc. This is not an optional thing. It's the only reason the 24 hour phone home thing exists. Yeah, nobody has to use online passes because Microsoft have built a wonderful, closed garden where publishers can screw over consumers without having to lift a finger.

It is optional, that's confirmed. There even was an article on the Escapist frontpage not too long ago about the developers behind The Witcher and them being convinced that they won't have to add in any DRM.
I couldn't find any better article in English right now to prove that, but this will do. I'm certain they mentioned it being optional in another official statement as well, but I don't know where anymore. I'll maybe edit in if I find it.

You confused 2 things here I think. Always online DRM is optional meaning that rather than a 24 hour check in you would need to be on the whole time. ALL games have a restriction on the sale of used games requiring a partnered retailer. That is my understanding at least based on their E3 panel and statements following it.

 

[HotHandedGamer]

It's so very refreshing to see these kind of threads that go against the myopic Internet masses and and comes with an original opinion - or rather - a well-founded and not overly biased and jaundiced opinion.

Not overly bias ? I think we read different posts ...

 

[Valdrrak Draconis]

1. Used games:
2. Game sharing:
3. 24h offline time:
4. Evil spying Kinect:
5. Hardware:
6. Features:
7. Controller:
8. Design:
9. Games/Exclusives:
10. Price:

Heres a basic breakdown from a nonbiased point of view.

1. Used games: bad for customers, Sony -1 MS - 0
2. Game sharing: subjective, disc sharing is easier if broadband not available, sharing option easier if it is available.
3. 24h offline time: bad for constomers Sony -2 MS -0
4. Evil spying Kinect: If we accept it isnt a bad thing, its not positive either.
5. Hardware: Worse than the PS4, objectively proven. Son - 3 MS -0
6. Features: subjective, depending if you want games or movies
7. Controller: subjective
8. Design: subjective
9. Games/Exclusives: subjective
10. Price: more expensive for no reason, Son - 4 MS - 0

And thats that. MS has no things that are STRICTLY better than the PS4, only things that could be subjectively better. And Sony has multiple things objectively better.

PS: This is coming from someone who isnt going to get either and does not own a console.

I agree, I will most likely not end up getting one of the consoles at launch maybe down the line (Instead upgrade my PC ready for lots of the new gen games), but really there is still so much about both consoles we do not know. Basically as Adam Sessler (Rev3) said, You should not preorder a Next gen console (yet) then he goes on to explain why, However, As said above, The Pros for PS4 already outweigh the Pros of Xbox One with much fewer of the cons, and on top of that its cheaper.

As for that cloud computing nonsense, that has been nicely explained already in the topic and I am sure most people cannot reach 16ms(60fps) 33ms(30fps) at all times during gameplay, as well as they have stated that when the time comes they can turn off the 24hr check-in nonsense and all other online DRM requirements so the console will not be useless when they stop supporting it. So basically as MANY have said, this is all how THEY choose to treat the consumers and its terrible as none of it is needed to enhance the end users experience.

Does anyone know these about the PS4-
How will the backwards compatibility be?
Will it be reigon free (like the ps3)

 

[Annihilist]

If the Kinect has to be always on, why not just point it at a wall?

Put simply, this Xbox has a bunch of stuff no one asked for, and mandatory restrictions and arbitrary limits which benefit no one but the company. They are unnecessary, annoying, and inconvenient, and by simply subtracting these issues, the PS4 is objectively superior. I can't see why anyone in their right mind would think the new Xbox is worth buying, so I believe Microsoft has committed economic suicide on this front.

Truth is, a console should only be about the games, and these days the consoles are about themselves now - fancy hardware and gimmicks, etc. It's driven the price up ridiculously high, so we pay more for superfluous extra, when we just want to play games.

 

[T-004]

It... really isn't. The entire system is made so you can't trade physical copies of games without giving them to specific 'partnered retailers' who are going to be Gamestop, Game, EB Games, etc, etc. This is not an optional thing. It's the only reason the 24 hour phone home thing exists. Yeah, nobody has to use online passes because Microsoft have built a wonderful, closed garden where publishers can screw over consumers without having to lift a finger.

It is optional, that's confirmed. There even was an article on the Escapist frontpage not too long ago about the developers behind The Witcher and them being convinced that they won't have to add in any DRM.
I couldn't find any better article in English right now to prove that, but this will do. I'm certain they mentioned it being optional in another official statement as well, but I don't know where anymore. I'll maybe edit in if I find it.

It is not optional. The DRM is not on the game side of things but the console side! From reading multiple articles on the subject it goes thusly -
1. You take your game to an approved retailer.
2. They buy your game whilst informing MS of the sale.
3. MS lock the game on your account.

Therefore it will not be the case that you will be able to sell your games to any store, as if they didn't tell MS then you would still be able to play the game and whoever buys it from that store would not.
This is why they are instituting the "Approved Retailer" crap, in order to control how you trade games, how much you get for them and how much they re-sell for.

The only thing they said would be optional was whether the next person to install that copy of the game would need to pay a fee on top of the cost of the game.

For someone self-identifying as unbiased, you aren't projecting it very well :/

 

[leethal]

It couldn't have picked a worse time, what with the NSA scandal and all.

and you won't be spied.

Yea, you will.

thank you i was beginning to think i was the only one who saw that coming

and even if it doesn't record while off its still going to record while its on.
the ability to spy on the living room anyone outside the us would be too much for the nsa.

 

[DeimosMasque]

An article from today that seems to have made a bulk of this discussion moot if it is all true:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/19/microsoft-reversing-xbox-one-internet-used-game-policies

and here is the source of that article:

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

How many of those Kinects were actually plugged into an Xbox and how many were used by engineers and computer scientists because they were a cheap 3D camera?

How is that relevant to the inane claims that Microsoft thinks they "didn't sell enough" Kinects?

Or better yet, how many of those Kinects are sitting in their original boxes collecting dust in the corner like mine is? LOL! Sure people bought them, but many who did don't want them.

And now we're just outright pimp-slapping logic.

How is that pimp slapping logic? People buy things all the time and find out after using it that they don't like it, don't want it and have no use for it. Mine just happen to come in a package deal, I didn't care whether it had it or not one way or another. Thought it might be nice to try it, then did and thought it to be crap.

 

[Something Amyss]

People buy things all the time and find out after using it that they don't like it, don't want it and have no use for it.

something that still doesn't support the conspiracy theory that Microsoft felt they weren't selling enough of them, the original subject you hitched your wagon to.

 

[Tacos_yay]

guys, if you don't want to be spied on just, i don't know, turn the kinect the other way? How can it spy on you if its facing the wall?

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

People buy things all the time and find out after using it that they don't like it, don't want it and have no use for it.

something that still doesn't support the conspiracy theory that Microsoft felt they weren't selling enough of them, the original subject you hitched your wagon to.

The only place I thought their Kinect sales fell short of expectations were in Japan. However, even though the sales went well, the feedback on the Kinect from those who purchased them was another matter.

 

[Something Amyss]

The only place I thought their Kinect sales fell short of expectations were in Japan. However, even though the sales went well, the feedback on the Kinect from those who purchased them was another matter.

Which means absolutely nothing, once again, in terms of what you hitched onto.

Now, Japan? Japan didn't adopt it because of space concerns. A lot of people didn't adopt it/didn't like it because of space concerns. The new one's supposedly better, but space is still a premium. Adding it on will likely have the opposite effect of selling more Kinects: it will likely alienate anyone who doesn't have use for a Kinect. It's still counter-intuitive to the MICROSOFT DIDN'T SELL ENOUGH KINECTS conspiracy theory.