Why was there no uproar about same sex relations in Skyrim, or the Fable series?
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Well because the marriage in those games are really really really really freaking shallow.
Hell I find it more of an annoyance than anything else, it doesn't contribute anything to the game, probably because you're given such a wide selection of potential partners, none of them are allowed to have any real depth.
So, that's my guess as to why there's no uproar. In Skyrim and Fable you may be able to bone a large selection of people of either gender (and occasionally species in Skyrim's case) but there's nothing really to it.
Besides, the knee-jerk "family values" brigade isn't going to attack games just for gay sex... no, depicting a full, in depth, loving gay relationship is far more insidious in their eyes... for some bizarre reason.
Hell I find it more of an annoyance than anything else, it doesn't contribute anything to the game, probably because you're given such a wide selection of potential partners, none of them are allowed to have any real depth.
So, that's my guess as to why there's no uproar. In Skyrim and Fable you may be able to bone a large selection of people of either gender (and occasionally species in Skyrim's case) but there's nothing really to it.
Besides, the knee-jerk "family values" brigade isn't going to attack games just for gay sex... no, depicting a full, in depth, loving gay relationship is far more insidious in their eyes... for some bizarre reason.
Don't lie. you are just another mouthpiece for the illuminati/opus dei/UN world goverment/MasonsSixcess said:
I know the truth GET YOUR DAMN MICROWAVES OUTTA MA SKULL!!!!
Capatcha: liberty bell.
Oh Capatcha and your unknowingly humorous relevance....
I honestly can't see why so many people get irritated by gay marriage. The fact that it is in a video game makes me wonder why they care even more. How does that impact their "sanctity of marriage" in any way at all. I would have to say flerk off to anyone of that mindset personally.
In my opinion it's because it's so shallow and minor that no one bothered to care for it. Both of them is more of having a roommate then actually having a lover. A roommate that gives you free food, and free money for nothing in return. In skyrim, anyways.
There was controversy about same-sex relationship in Skyrim, mostly whining about how a fantasy society wouldn't have openly gay relationships, which is BS. It's not like a non-modern setting (with dragons and magic) automatically means their standards about sex and sexuality are Victorian, and anyone who claims so has no good grasp of history.
No they haven't. I just wanted to point that out.chiggerwood said:
The real reason nobody gave a damn? Ponies. That's the only reason I can think of.
Maybe they just like Queen?
Skyrim's developers were pretty explicit about same sex marriage.Jitters Caffeine said:
To be fair, the rape in Mafia II isn't in the trailers. It appears to be so hidden even people who played the game don't know about it. Meanwhile, Tomb Raider got controversial because it was right in the trailer and had a developer talking about rape as a significant character point for our intrepid hero.Sixcess said:
You're not exactly comparing apples to apples here.
Besides, Mass Effect wasn't exactly a high profile game outside of gaming UNTIL people came up with the "virtual rape" controversy.
Indeed, but there was nowhere near the controversy involved.Lieju said:
However, I do like the "historical" and "realism" arguments. Because when I think history and realism, I think shouting down dragons and then smacking them around with my enchanted sword.
Basically, gays make them squick and they're desperate to make an excuse.
There are a few reasons for this I think:
1) wasn't an advertising point for these games. Skyrim barely focused on the relationship stuff, in fact I didn't know that there were relationship options until I got the game. Fable did talk about you being able to marry, but they never actually said "To either gender", so it was easy to skirt around the issue. The problem with DA 2, ME 3, and OR is that these were features that were somewhat advertised to various levels. Not only does this outright show that the content is there, but it gives the illusion that, since it is being advertised, that it is some content that all players of the game should be pursuing, or else they're missing a core part of the game. That isn't actually the case, but this is sort of the effect of marketing: you advertise something, it must have some importance to the overall game.
2) weren't really anything special. The problem with marriage in Fable and Skyrim is that marriage, on the whole, didn't serve any real purpose. In Fable at least, there's no real purpose to marrying except to marry, and the problem is that many of the NPC's look the same that it's all kind of pointless as to who you marry. Skyrim, while it does feature named NPC's, and you have companions that look different and have different personalities, runs into the same issue because not much actually changes when you marry. There are some cases where marriage nets the player some sort of benefit, but at that point it's easy for the player to recognize marriage not as some sort of integral part, but rather as a small distraction that can easily be avoided. The other games, however, put such an emphasis on relationships that it sort of seems clear that, if you're not using the feature ten you're missing out. This is because a) the number of possible relationships is low (not sure about OR on this one though) and b) such an emphasis is put on each relationship's personality that the relationship seems to have more weight and importance. It gives a sense that you should try to experience all of the relationships, even if you normally wouldn't in any other game.
3) this is the big one, and it's my personal theory as to why this is an issue more in Bioware games than anything else: it's not as easy to enter a relationship with characters in Fable or Skyrim. Actually, scratch that: it's not as easy to ACCIDENTALLY enter a relationship in Fable or Skyrim. Yes yes, I know, it's not like you're just talking to a character and then suddenly you're having sex with them, but the actually process of falling into the pre-relationship zone with a character can happen easily enough if you're not paying attention. For example, when you buy brandy for Kaiden, an act that in my mind isn't exclusive for those wanting to do the nasty with him, it's not really known that it leads down the relationship path, but it counts as such anyways. By contrast, look at Skyrim and Fable. You have to do much, from performing gestures and purchasing special objects that one can't argue that they "fell into the relationship", since that wouldn't happen unless they were going for it. By contrast, it's not too difficult to have situations where NPC's in Bioware games confront you about who you truly desire. It creates this odd sense in the player that the game is assuming things that they normally wouldn't have. Now, this is their fault for not paying attention, but sometimes when you're just running on auto-pilot then it's easy to fall into things without realizing what you just did. Overall, it is more a problem with the player than the game, but I understand where the feeling comes from.
1) wasn't an advertising point for these games. Skyrim barely focused on the relationship stuff, in fact I didn't know that there were relationship options until I got the game. Fable did talk about you being able to marry, but they never actually said "To either gender", so it was easy to skirt around the issue. The problem with DA 2, ME 3, and OR is that these were features that were somewhat advertised to various levels. Not only does this outright show that the content is there, but it gives the illusion that, since it is being advertised, that it is some content that all players of the game should be pursuing, or else they're missing a core part of the game. That isn't actually the case, but this is sort of the effect of marketing: you advertise something, it must have some importance to the overall game.
2) weren't really anything special. The problem with marriage in Fable and Skyrim is that marriage, on the whole, didn't serve any real purpose. In Fable at least, there's no real purpose to marrying except to marry, and the problem is that many of the NPC's look the same that it's all kind of pointless as to who you marry. Skyrim, while it does feature named NPC's, and you have companions that look different and have different personalities, runs into the same issue because not much actually changes when you marry. There are some cases where marriage nets the player some sort of benefit, but at that point it's easy for the player to recognize marriage not as some sort of integral part, but rather as a small distraction that can easily be avoided. The other games, however, put such an emphasis on relationships that it sort of seems clear that, if you're not using the feature ten you're missing out. This is because a) the number of possible relationships is low (not sure about OR on this one though) and b) such an emphasis is put on each relationship's personality that the relationship seems to have more weight and importance. It gives a sense that you should try to experience all of the relationships, even if you normally wouldn't in any other game.
3) this is the big one, and it's my personal theory as to why this is an issue more in Bioware games than anything else: it's not as easy to enter a relationship with characters in Fable or Skyrim. Actually, scratch that: it's not as easy to ACCIDENTALLY enter a relationship in Fable or Skyrim. Yes yes, I know, it's not like you're just talking to a character and then suddenly you're having sex with them, but the actually process of falling into the pre-relationship zone with a character can happen easily enough if you're not paying attention. For example, when you buy brandy for Kaiden, an act that in my mind isn't exclusive for those wanting to do the nasty with him, it's not really known that it leads down the relationship path, but it counts as such anyways. By contrast, look at Skyrim and Fable. You have to do much, from performing gestures and purchasing special objects that one can't argue that they "fell into the relationship", since that wouldn't happen unless they were going for it. By contrast, it's not too difficult to have situations where NPC's in Bioware games confront you about who you truly desire. It creates this odd sense in the player that the game is assuming things that they normally wouldn't have. Now, this is their fault for not paying attention, but sometimes when you're just running on auto-pilot then it's easy to fall into things without realizing what you just did. Overall, it is more a problem with the player than the game, but I understand where the feeling comes from.
Because EA love themselves some controversies as it gets them attention. Mass Effect "alien sex", Dead Space "your mom will hate it", Old Republic "gay planets", Dantes Inferno's "commit an act of lust with a booth babe."
I don't think it's a coincidence that games made by EA tend to get the most controversies. They go out of their way to do it in order to get attention drawn to their products. That's not a criticism as such, but I definitely think they do it on purpose.
I don't think it's a coincidence that games made by EA tend to get the most controversies. They go out of their way to do it in order to get attention drawn to their products. That's not a criticism as such, but I definitely think they do it on purpose.
I will argue you on that point. You see in the narrative of the recent Bioware games the loveinterest is also always pointless thus the point of the loveinterest being pointless in skyrim is a mute point. The reason you talk about it is because of implementation. They make you think and feel like the relation does matter but quite the contrary is true. No player input does matter in these games as far as narrative is concerned. Wether you have a relation with a man or woman does not matter, it does not matter that you have a relationship at all. It is pure superfacial sugarcoating the player so the player may feel like it is his story and only he can tell it.Cavan said:
The game implies a creator of the gamingworld and a story implies an author. The implied creators of the world are the developers of the game. No problem with that conclusion. But the implied author does not appear to be identified as the actual writer of the story but the player puts himself in this position. Bacause the story of the game would be nothing without him. Even if the player gives credit to the actual author the player views himself on equal footing with the actual author and morphs himself into authorship as an implied author of the story.
Once we have learned this truth about the shallow relationship of these narratives we face a dark little secret why we like these stories in these games so much.
The sum it up: The relationships in Mass Effect is as shallow as the relationship in Skyrim from the narrative's point of view and we players like these lovestories so much because it makes us feel potent within the narrative without actualy being potent.
On the topic: Well they are bioware games. Their publisher is EA thus they have a lot of visibility thus these games get discussed.
It might be because it's entirely optional and offers no game enhancement (for its own sake.) Oh wait, it's entirely optional in Mass Effect 3 as well... *scratches head* I got nothing...
chiggerwood said:
Simply put; no one cares anymore.
or at least i don't. i couldn't care less about the possibilities on an open world game, especially when it doesn't revolve around fucking.
in fact, i prefer the lack of fucking, because if i want fucking, id go out and fuck a girl after a couple trips to the movies and some pizza.
If a guy like dick, fine
If a girl likes Tits, that's hot and we have something to talk about.
If someone want to bring up sexuality in game whether they are for or against homosexuality, i slap them in the face for being a shithead.
no one cares, no one should care.
I don't want to hear traditionalist ***** about homosexuality in games, and i DAMN sure don't want to hear about the lack of homosexual representation in games....especially in historical pieces.
"Oh but i want to date other guys in Skyrim/Fable/ect"
"Oh well, i don't give a shit, now shut up while i kill this dragon and slaughter these orcs."
In short, i hate BOTH sides because they're both fucking killjoys.
Captcha: get over it
(i'm not kidding that's the captcha)
Can you engage in homosexual relationships with any of the old companions? The ones that existed in the game from the start, the ones that had some possibilities for character development? The ones that some players grew to like? No? Then it's all pointless, a feeble attempt to garner attention by shoehorning some shallow gay romance options into the game. Why the hell can't I force my Sith Warrior to make out with Quinn?bastardofmelbourne said:
Why did nobody say a thing when you killed a kid in The Walking Dead, but everyone flipped shit that Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 had a cut scene (cut scene - not you actually DOING anything) where a bomb goes off and a kid is right next to it?
OK I can see your point, I personally can only go by what I've been told, so I reworded what I said. I still hold that it's stupid to put homosexuality on just one planet and that the main reason they're giving for not making same sex relations more widely available (money if I got my info right) smacks of corporate excuses. They've had over a year to deliver on something that they promised at launch. The homosexual community isn't asking for an in game pride parade, just a little representation, which was promised, and their current actions just seem as if they're being pandering. I freely admit that I could be wrong and money is a huge issue, and if time does prove me wrong I will admit it and apologize, but seeing as it's the Star Wars brand owned by Disney, and published by EA I highly doubt I'll be prostrating myself anytime soon.bastardofmelbourne said:
The amount of VA required (you would need at least sixteen new romances to do it properly) is prohibitively expensive, not to mention time-consuming. And the longer it takes, the more people complain about how long it's taking. That's why they're rushing it.Yellowfish said:
Bioware wants to put same-gender romances in SWTOR. These are the same guys who made DAII, where literally everyone was bisexual except for the dwarf. They just can't afford to do it at the pace people are demanding. SWTOR content is expensive to make, much more expensive than other MMOs, and it takes time. The upside of that is the SWTOR is currently the only MMO where you even have romances, much less gay ones.
To be honest, I'd rather they wouldn't introduce same-gender romances in Makeb, because right now they're half-assing it due to community pressure. I would prefer they take the time to actually flesh them out to the same standard as the rest of the companion romances. But then we wouldn't see anything for the better part of a year, and people would complain about that.chiggerwood said:
Seriously, the way the community approaches the problem, Bioware can't win. If they take the time and budget to make high-quality same-sex romances, people will complain that it's taking too long. If they rush it so that it's in the game as fast as possible, people complain that it's shallow. What gives?