Why would anyone in the fallout universe buy a gold bar

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Azrael the Cat

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Well even from FO1, only 50 years after the bombs, they still have a token currency in operation (bottlecaps in FO1, NCR dollars in FO2). Prior to advanced currency markets, you needed some 'hard currency' - something that doesn't depreciate - to give the dollars value. Traditionally that has always been gold, even though gold in the middle ages didn't have any more practical use than it does in the FO setting. Basically states have a system where they have a reserve of gold 'supporting' their currency, and anyone is allowed to trade their paper/token currency for a fixed quantity of gold, hence giving the token currency its trading value. I think it's actually specified (either in FO2 or NV, or both) that NCR (both games) and Vault City (FO2) do exactly that.

In between FO2 and NV, NCR has taken over the other FO2 factions (Vault City, New Reno, Klamath, Marcus's town, that ghoul community with the nuclear reactor etc) - the plot for the 1st half of FO2 is basically about which of the new states will determine the model by which the future state operates (New Reno ultra-freedom ultra-crime, Vault City's wealthy but racist science-based society, NCR's non-racist and stable police state), before the Enclave show up and start taking over - it has the opposite journey to FO1, where the more you go on the more the world is shown to be recovering (c/f FO1 where you start in the vault and end up venturing into The Glow/ground-zero), and then the old rulers reappear in the form of the Enclave, not having learnt a thing from nearly destroying the world, seeking to re-establish their control by throttling the new society at its birth.

NV basically has it that NCR 'won' the power struggle in FO2 (i.e. that the NCR-expands ending is the canon one), but that the states it conquered influenced it from the inside - which is why it goes from being a police state in FO2 to full of crime and drugs in NV. Even by FO2 they're in a much more advanced position than the setting in FO3 - there's a nuclear power plant creating electricity that the various factions are vying for control over (with Harold and his ghouls running it while desperately trying to leverage a deal that preserves their freedom), NCR, Vault City and Broken Hills all have democratic governments (though Vault City is viciously racist/facist towards non-humans), and things are civilised enough that no-one outside of Vault City finds it surprising that a Supermutant is mayor of the mostly human community of Broken Hills (Marcus - there's a voice recording of his in NV at Black Mountain, so he might reappear in a later game).

You also get a car in FO2, and resources are sufficiently available to keep it running. The 'everything is dust' setting only really applied to FO1, and maybe FO3. And FO3 was really stretching it - it looks like it should have taken place at the same time as FO1, not 200-300 years later. It doesn't make sense for there to be computers running and waiting to be hacked all over the place, given that they're not advanced enough for electricity. Not to mention that even with the heavier bombing, if there's been people living there and rebuilding for 200-300 years, you'd expect a lot more in the way of new buildings.
 

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spectrenihlus said:
If you didn't know in the new fallout dlc you can get your hands on a number of gold bars and they are worth quite a lot of caps. However what use would a gold bar be in a post apocalyptic society. If i was a shop keeper and someone came in with a gold bar I would think yea ok shiny i'll give you 5 caps for it.
Electronics? Even in the 50s, there was electronics, so when you apply the faux-future of the retro-50s, you could utterly use gold.
 

Mr. Socky

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spectrenihlus said:
Also to the people saying it is valuable because gold is used in tech. Well you will need a foundry and a processing plant to turn that gold into parts necessary for your electronics. Places like that aren't exactly down the street in post apocalyptic america.
The Brotherhood of Steal is specifically trying to create such technology, so gold would be extremely useful to them. Of course, I do agree with you that normal shopkeepers may not have immediate uses for it, but humanity has been overpaying for gold for years. Why stop in the apocalypse?
 

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Just accept that not every detail in a game has to make sense. If you see it this way then you should be complaining about a lot of things in the game, the fallout universe is a mighty strange place. Does it really bother you that you pretty much just gained a shitload of caps in the DLC?
Edit: What use would the gun runners vendertron have with the teddy bears I'm selling it?
 

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Wabblefish said:
It's heavy and extremely strong, shiny, rare, and pre-war collectors would have a lot of interest in it.
gold extremely strong? Where did you hear this?

I'm quite sure gold is rather soft, compared to other metals.
 

DTWolfwood

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spectrenihlus said:
If you didn't know in the new fallout dlc you can get your hands on a number of gold bars and they are worth quite a lot of caps. However what use would a gold bar be in a post apocalyptic society. If i was a shop keeper and someone came in with a gold bar I would think yea ok shiny i'll give you 5 caps for it.
Well same can be said for Gold IRL <.< I mean its been the excepted form of currency world around for millenniums. Up till the modern age, Gold had no practical uses.
 

mejarema

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Simple enough. Gold is very malleable, easily hammered into a flat, thin shape, getting elongated in the process. It's also a fantastic conductor, hence the gold-plated plugs we see on a lot of technology today. It could have any number of applications for some improvised technology in that world.
 

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People have always wanted gold, and until we can reliably synthesize it, it will always have some value. Everyone focusing on the industrial qualities of it is missing the boat, since it was valuable to pre-industrial societies for much, much longer for the simple fact that it's a rare store of value that is highly sought after.
 

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You can only forge gold with even more valuable, heavier metals like uranium.

It is rare so it makes for great currency. Makes infinitely more sense than bottlecaps.

Metro had the right idea though. Bullets as post-apocalyptic currency: light, small AND useful.
 

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Apparently an awesome line of laser rifles used gold components, but they didn't handle the apocalypse so well compared to their inferior titanium counterparts.
"The AER9 was not considered cutting-edge technology before the war, being an older model than the state-of-the-art AER12 laser rifle, used in a handful of specialty units. The redeeming feature of the AER9 was its reliability - the focusing crystal array was housed in a titanium casing, rather than the gold alloys used in later models, which allowed it to withstand years of exposure to the environment without loss in array focus."
Also: Gold doesn't rust, it can be stretched over long distances, and is one of the best conductors around.
 

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Keep in mind that the Mojave isn't the Capital Wasteland. All of those casino-goers probably want some symbol of the "High Life", and gold is the perfect way to get it.
 

Thaliur

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Actually, the right question would be:
Why would anyone anywhere buy a gold bar?

That stuff has no practical use. It's too soft for any kind of tool.
It's just really shiny, and some people seem to think it looks beautiful.

OK, there is one practical application: anticorrosive layers.
 

Calbeck

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Hell, gold is already being used for coinage in Fallout: New Vegas. The Legion "Aureus" is a gold or gold-cladded coin (the name itself is a Latin implication of gold, and just look at the thing).

Because gold is rare, its use in coinage helps limit successful counterfeiting. This in turn provides a more stable monetary unit, and thus a more stable economy. The NCR would love to be able to create a limited high-value coin, if for no other reason than to help simplify bank-to-bank transactions.

EDIT: Stinky, silver ISN'T terribly valuable precisely because these days it ISN'T terribly rare, and that's mainly because we found better ways to extract it. Not the case with gold.