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danpascooch said:
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danpascooch said:
You constantly insulting me makes you sound more and more irritating.

When I buy bread at the store I don't know if it'll go bad before I eat all of it, and I don't know if a mouse will get into my kitchen and eat it.
If those things happen I don't go complaining to the store about them.

When my phone needs a software update and I looses non essential features but it still performs its primary task I don't go complaining to the phone company.

If all you're after is what is and isn't legal then every single person in the world should be serving up to 50 years in jail.

We need to let things slide so the system can run. Sony removing this isn't a big deal. This man is bitching to make a quick dollar.

I will not sympathize with him unless he was doing research with it.

Legal? Probably not.
Pointless Lawsuit? Very much so.

If the guy wants Linux so badly he can either get another PS3 or get a PC. He wants an easy dollar, so stop supporting people who sue for easy money.
You are helping destroy the justice system and personal responsibility.

Good day to you sir.
The mouse isn't the bread maker or the store just so you know. And to for the bitching to make a quick dollar um no I wanted it my brother wanted a lot of my comp sci friends wanted it to use it to work with. It isn't a big deal to "YOU", I hope sony removes a feature you want so I can watch you try your hardest to not complain.
I expected people to make arguments that had no merit, and I expected them to call people whiners, what I did NOT expect were people like this saying "well what's the big deal, just go out and spend more money"

This kid obviously didn't work a day in his life for something he wanted.
Wait was that a dig at me(it doesn't sound like it)? I'm sorry I had a long day today and spent a while working on trying to a program.
 

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Arehexes said:
danpascooch said:
Arehexes said:
Frank_Sinatra_ said:
danpascooch said:
You constantly insulting me makes you sound more and more irritating.

When I buy bread at the store I don't know if it'll go bad before I eat all of it, and I don't know if a mouse will get into my kitchen and eat it.
If those things happen I don't go complaining to the store about them.

When my phone needs a software update and I looses non essential features but it still performs its primary task I don't go complaining to the phone company.

If all you're after is what is and isn't legal then every single person in the world should be serving up to 50 years in jail.

We need to let things slide so the system can run. Sony removing this isn't a big deal. This man is bitching to make a quick dollar.

I will not sympathize with him unless he was doing research with it.

Legal? Probably not.
Pointless Lawsuit? Very much so.

If the guy wants Linux so badly he can either get another PS3 or get a PC. He wants an easy dollar, so stop supporting people who sue for easy money.
You are helping destroy the justice system and personal responsibility.

Good day to you sir.
The mouse isn't the bread maker or the store just so you know. And to for the bitching to make a quick dollar um no I wanted it my brother wanted a lot of my comp sci friends wanted it to use it to work with. It isn't a big deal to "YOU", I hope sony removes a feature you want so I can watch you try your hardest to not complain.
I expected people to make arguments that had no merit, and I expected them to call people whiners, what I did NOT expect were people like this saying "well what's the big deal, just go out and spend more money"

This kid obviously didn't work a day in his life for something he wanted.
Wait was that a dig at me(it doesn't sound like it)? I'm sorry I had a long day today and spent a while working on trying to a program.
Oh hell no, it was a dig at the guy you quoted.
 

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danpascooch said:
LordZ said:
omega 616 said:
I very highly doubt any PS3 owner bought one on the sole basis of Linux, you can buy a PC for that price.

If a serious amount of people actually used this feature Sony would have fixed it, they didn't so it's obvious only a tiny amount of people made use of it.

I will now continue to watch bleach.
The USAF and many science labs did. The ability to use Linux was a big selling point for a lot of people. The early versions of the PS3 were rather expensive. The ability to load it with Linux really added a lot of value for some people and was the only way they could justify the expense. Sony just told them to fuck off.

I figured the number of law suits and amount bad press over it was fairly evident that a lot of people are upset about this and a lot of people did use it. Feel free to continue to ignore logic and remain ignorant to the truth staring you in the face.
Oh believe me, he's WAY ahead of you, lol
Might aswell, quote you both at the same time.

Calling me ignorant is redundant,
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Everybody is ignorant
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Do you think Sony intended labs and other companies to use it's gaming console as some sort of super computer? Nope, it has the ability though.

It makes me think there like some team from MAG, cobbling bits of things together to make something that works, when they could just get a super computer to do what they want.

The PS3 was intended to be used for entertainment, not for running numbers or test results.

I didn't think we would need to stoop so low as to use insults, rather petty, don't you think?
 

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omega 616 said:
danpascooch said:
LordZ said:
omega 616 said:
I very highly doubt any PS3 owner bought one on the sole basis of Linux, you can buy a PC for that price.

If a serious amount of people actually used this feature Sony would have fixed it, they didn't so it's obvious only a tiny amount of people made use of it.

I will now continue to watch bleach.
The USAF and many science labs did. The ability to use Linux was a big selling point for a lot of people. The early versions of the PS3 were rather expensive. The ability to load it with Linux really added a lot of value for some people and was the only way they could justify the expense. Sony just told them to fuck off.

I figured the number of law suits and amount bad press over it was fairly evident that a lot of people are upset about this and a lot of people did use it. Feel free to continue to ignore logic and remain ignorant to the truth staring you in the face.
Oh believe me, he's WAY ahead of you, lol
Might aswell, quote you both at the same time.

Calling me ignorant is redundant,
Steven Fry said:
Everybody is ignorant
.

Do you think Sony intended labs and other companies to use it's gaming console as some sort of super computer? Nope, it has the ability though.

It makes me think there like some team from MAG, cobbling bits of things together to make something that works, when they could just get a super computer to do what they want.

The PS3 was intended to be used for entertainment, not for running numbers or test results.

I didn't think we would need to stoop so low as to use insults, rather petty, don't you think?
I have no problem with insults where they're due.

You are the perfect example of how MESSED UP peoples interpretations of company control is. You basically make my point for me

Do you think Sony intended labs and other companies to use it's gaming console as some sort of super computer? Nope
Do you know what it means to "Purchase" something? It means that you pay money to own (this is the part people have trouble with, so I'll repeat it) [HEADING=2]OWN[/HEADING] what you purchased, I don't give a rat's ass what Sony "intended" these people BOUGHT the machine and that means they OWN it, who the hell is Sony to tell them they can't use the thing as a damn toilet brush if they want to? As long as they aren't breaking the law by using the feature (not saying that using feature wouldn't enable you to break the law, just that the inherent use of it isn't breaking the law in and of itself) Sony has no right to tell you you can't use that feature, Sony doesn't have the right to repossess functionality from them.
 

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Arehexes said:
Dude you are way off, the credit card theft was a message people send to psn members saying hey go here and enter your info and you get free psn points(like what happened on myspace where someone would say "Hey I got these songs for free go here" and it would show you a "fake" myspace login where when you enter your login info it is sent to them and they hijack your account). A hacker named Geohot said he found a way to hack ps3 using otherOS which would let people play burned ps3 games on the ps3. Check this out

http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?40173-Geohot-Where-are-you-and-are-you-going-to-fix-this-mess

This is the real reason why it happened, this dude did it.
He didn't actually enable or even try to enable the ability to play burned games.

You know, the most ridiculous thing about this whole update is that it does absolutely nothing to stop hackers. Guess what, the hackers never updated their firmware. That's a real shocker, right?

Sony saw a threat where there was none and turned it into a real threat while pissing on a large portion of their own customer base. Way to go Sony!
 

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LordZ said:
Arehexes said:
Dude you are way off, the credit card theft was a message people send to psn members saying hey go here and enter your info and you get free psn points(like what happened on myspace where someone would say "Hey I got these songs for free go here" and it would show you a "fake" myspace login where when you enter your login info it is sent to them and they hijack your account). A hacker named Geohot said he found a way to hack ps3 using otherOS which would let people play burned ps3 games on the ps3. Check this out

http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?40173-Geohot-Where-are-you-and-are-you-going-to-fix-this-mess

This is the real reason why it happened, this dude did it.
He didn't actually enable or even try to enable the ability to play burned games.

You know, the most ridiculous thing about this whole update is that it does absolutely nothing to stop hackers. Guess what, the hackers never updated their firmware. That's a real shocker, right?

Sony saw a threat where there was none and turned it into a real threat while pissing on a large portion of their own customer base. Way to go Sony!
That seems to be how all "anti-hacker/copyright" measures go these days, they punish everyone except the damned offender.
 

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omega 616 said:
Do you think Sony intended labs and other companies to use it's gaming console as some sort of super computer? Nope, it has the ability though.

It makes me think there like some team from MAG, cobbling bits of things together to make something that works, when they could just get a super computer to do what they want.

The PS3 was intended to be used for entertainment, not for running numbers or test results.

I didn't think we would need to stoop so low as to use insults, rather petty, don't you think?
When you advertise a product as being a fully functional computer and not just a gaming console, people tend to take you at your word. I know, who'd have ever thought people would believe what Sony advertised about their own product. I mean, to actually expect a feature to continue to function for the lifetime of the product, it's preposterous, right?
 

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LordZ said:
Arehexes said:
Dude you are way off, the credit card theft was a message people send to psn members saying hey go here and enter your info and you get free psn points(like what happened on myspace where someone would say "Hey I got these songs for free go here" and it would show you a "fake" myspace login where when you enter your login info it is sent to them and they hijack your account). A hacker named Geohot said he found a way to hack ps3 using otherOS which would let people play burned ps3 games on the ps3. Check this out

http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?40173-Geohot-Where-are-you-and-are-you-going-to-fix-this-mess

This is the real reason why it happened, this dude did it.
He didn't actually enable or even try to enable the ability to play burned games.

You know, the most ridiculous thing about this whole update is that it does absolutely nothing to stop hackers. Guess what, the hackers never updated their firmware. That's a real shocker, right?

Sony saw a threat where there was none and turned it into a real threat while pissing on a large portion of their own customer base. Way to go Sony!
Ok I was off on that and I apologize, and even if people did update geohot is saying he is making it so you can use otherOS through hacking, or so it is said. So sony just made a moot point and the hackers who have a high chance to pirate will have otherOS.
 

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danpascooch said:
Were my jabs and insults subtle? I apologize, I certainly don't mean them to be subtle when I make them.

When I compliment someone, you are faulting me by saying it's "insincere"? Are you freaking serious? You know how to make a compliment sincere, you make eye contact, you use the proper tone of voice, you can follow it up by putting your hand on their shoulder or some other gesture to show that you mean it. Funny thing is, NONE OF THAT IS POSSIBLE IN A POST!

I make no attempts to be friendly with anyone who uses the "I have a great argument, but I'm not going to tell you what it is" trick, it's lazy and a waste of time.

If you want to make some coherent points, I'll apologize and admit I was overly harsh, but if not, I believe what I said was justified.
LOL haha again you don't even bother to try and get what i actually said, just straight into attack mode.

When did i make this claim "i have a great argument that i'm not going to tell you"??

I remember saying i can't be bothered to tell you what i thought after briefly twice telling you what i thought then being subjected to this whole song and dance. But hey feel free to exaggerate it into something i didn't say and then turn it into the main body of you're pointless argument, this is your thread after all and what you say goes.

Also the whole "if it was an insult you would know it" routine, that's my que to leave as i haven't been in a playground for quite some time and i have no desire to go back there but you have fun there by yourself.

As for sincerely complimenting someone in a post well, When i read your initial post i actually thought you had some really valid points and your argument was quite well thought out, for what its worth i actually agreed with a lot of what you said in principle.

You know what while this is terribly amusing it's also slightly depressing so i'll let you have the last word,i'm sure it will be just as big a show as ever and i'm going to go join my girlfriend in bed.
 

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danpascooch said:
I have no problem with insults where they're due.

You are the perfect example of how MESSED UP peoples interpretations of company control is. You basically make my point for me

Do you think Sony intended labs and other companies to use it's gaming console as some sort of super computer? Nope
Do you know what it means to "Purchase" something? It means that you pay money to own (this is the part people have trouble with, so I'll repeat it) [HEADING=2]OWN[/HEADING] what you purchased, I don't give a rat's ass what Sony "intended" these people BOUGHT the machine and that means they OWN it, who the hell is Sony to tell them they can't use the thing as a damn toilet brush if they want to? As long as they aren't breaking the law by using the feature (not saying that using feature wouldn't enable you to break the law, just that the inherent use of it isn't breaking the law in and of itself) Sony has no right to tell you you can't use that feature, Sony doesn't have the right to repossess functionality from them.
Insults are petty and make the person using them look childish. It also makes there argument look weak, even though they may have good points, which is why I refrain from using them.

anyway on with this asinine back and forth, despite my saying lets agree to disagree.

You don't have a PS3 and yet your worked up like this, it isn't even really your fight.

If Sony decides to take away something important then people will be bothered but since nobody gives a crap they will win the law suits.

You made this thread to argue that Sony are going to change legal landscape if they win these court cases, it's hyperbole at it's best. I am surprised it hasn't been laughed out the court room.

Pick your fights, you won't see me on the picket line if M$ decides to cut XBL.

So again lets agree to disagree, it's a waste of time. Your trying to rally the troops to a war that you have no influence in, I am watching bleach, who's making the most of there time?
 

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LordZ said:
CustomMagnum said:
As for the air force thing, that's irrelevant to this discussion, there's no reason to update the firmware on those PS3s as they're being used solely for the processing power that linking thousands of them together can give at a ridiculously reduced cost to using normal computers for it. They aren't going to be updated. Sure the air force is upset about there no longer being an "Other OS" option, but that's because they can't replace broken parts the PS3 cluster they set up.
When you send in a PS3 to get it repaired, they update the firmware. They do not give you the option to leave the firmware the way it is. This makes it quite a big problem since you can't really fix a PS3 without sending it to Sony.
Okay, you're right there. That's kinda what I mean when I said they can't replace broken parts of the PS3 cluster also. I should've said can't repair or replace said broken parts.
 

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ClunkiestTurtle said:
danpascooch said:
Were my jabs and insults subtle? I apologize, I certainly don't mean them to be subtle when I make them.

When I compliment someone, you are faulting me by saying it's "insincere"? Are you freaking serious? You know how to make a compliment sincere, you make eye contact, you use the proper tone of voice, you can follow it up by putting your hand on their shoulder or some other gesture to show that you mean it. Funny thing is, NONE OF THAT IS POSSIBLE IN A POST!

I make no attempts to be friendly with anyone who uses the "I have a great argument, but I'm not going to tell you what it is" trick, it's lazy and a waste of time.

If you want to make some coherent points, I'll apologize and admit I was overly harsh, but if not, I believe what I said was justified.
LOL haha again you don't even bother to try and get what i actually said, just straight into attack mode.

When did i make this claim "i have a great argument that i'm not going to tell you"??

I remember saying i can't be bothered to tell you what i thought after briefly twice telling you what i thought then being subjected to this whole song and dance. But hey feel free to exaggerate it into something i didn't say and then turn it into the main body of you're pointless argument, this is your thread after all and what you say goes.

Also the whole "if it was an insult you would know it" routine, that's my que to leave as i haven't been in a playground for quite some time and i have no desire to go back there but you have fun there by yourself.

As for sincerely complimenting someone in a post well, When i read your initial post i actually thought you had some really valid points and your argument was quite well thought out, for what its worth i actually agreed with a lot of what you said in principle.

You know what while this is terribly amusing it's also slightly depressing so i'll let you have the last word,i'm sure it will be just as big a show as ever and i'm going to go join my girlfriend in bed.
"I have a great argument but I'm not going to tell you what it is" and "I can't be bothered to tell you my thoughts" are the same damn thing, It's a rare person who will split hairs and then LAUGH at you over their own dumb semantics.
 

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LordZ said:
omega 616 said:
Do you think Sony intended labs and other companies to use it's gaming console as some sort of super computer? Nope, it has the ability though.

It makes me think there like some team from MAG, cobbling bits of things together to make something that works, when they could just get a super computer to do what they want.

The PS3 was intended to be used for entertainment, not for running numbers or test results.

I didn't think we would need to stoop so low as to use insults, rather petty, don't you think?
When you advertise a product as being a fully functional computer and not just a gaming console, people tend to take you at your word. I know, who'd have ever thought people would believe what Sony advertised about their own product. I mean, to actually expect a feature to continue to function for the lifetime of the product, it's preposterous, right?
Were is this advertisement? I saw them advertise a gaming console, not a computer.
 

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omega 616 said:
danpascooch said:
I have no problem with insults where they're due.

You are the perfect example of how MESSED UP peoples interpretations of company control is. You basically make my point for me

Do you think Sony intended labs and other companies to use it's gaming console as some sort of super computer? Nope
Do you know what it means to "Purchase" something? It means that you pay money to own (this is the part people have trouble with, so I'll repeat it) [HEADING=2]OWN[/HEADING] what you purchased, I don't give a rat's ass what Sony "intended" these people BOUGHT the machine and that means they OWN it, who the hell is Sony to tell them they can't use the thing as a damn toilet brush if they want to? As long as they aren't breaking the law by using the feature (not saying that using feature wouldn't enable you to break the law, just that the inherent use of it isn't breaking the law in and of itself) Sony has no right to tell you you can't use that feature, Sony doesn't have the right to repossess functionality from them.
Insults are petty and make the person using them look childish. It also makes there argument look weak, even though they may have good points, which is why I refrain from using them.

anyway on with this asinine back and forth, despite my saying lets agree to disagree.

You don't have a PS3 and yet your worked up like this, it isn't even really your fight.

If Sony decides to take away something important then people will be bothered but since nobody gives a crap they will win the law suits.

You made this thread to argue that Sony are going to change legal landscape if they win these court cases, it's hyperbole at it's best. I am surprised it hasn't been laughed out the court room.

Pick your fights, you won't see me on the picket line if M$ decides to cut XBL.

So again lets agree to disagree, it's a waste of time. Your trying to rally the troops to a war that you have no influence in, I am watching bleach, who's making the most of there time?
I don't have any influence in it, but this site is not to influence, it's to discuss. I have been overly hostile to you, and I apologize.

But frankly, this is as much my battle as anybody's, because this WILL change the legal landscape, and that WILL affect all of us in the future.
 

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omega 616 said:
LordZ said:
omega 616 said:
Do you think Sony intended labs and other companies to use it's gaming console as some sort of super computer? Nope, it has the ability though.

It makes me think there like some team from MAG, cobbling bits of things together to make something that works, when they could just get a super computer to do what they want.

The PS3 was intended to be used for entertainment, not for running numbers or test results.

I didn't think we would need to stoop so low as to use insults, rather petty, don't you think?
When you advertise a product as being a fully functional computer and not just a gaming console, people tend to take you at your word. I know, who'd have ever thought people would believe what Sony advertised about their own product. I mean, to actually expect a feature to continue to function for the lifetime of the product, it's preposterous, right?
Were is this advertisement? I saw them advertise a gaming console, not a computer.
They advertised a game console WITH Linux functionality and capability. Whether they called it a console or a computer doesn't matter, it was an advertised feature.

EDIT: Funny you should mention them not advertising a computer:

"Sony has been saying that it sees its new next-gen machine, the PlayStation 3, as more of a computer than a console. Terra Soft Solutions is now making Yellow Dog Linux 5.0 available for download for the PS3, taking that idea a step closer to reality." Gamespot.com

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6162316.html?tag=result;title;0
 

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From a legal perspective, I don't think sony will lose this one.
But then all my experience is with the UK legal system, so what do I know?

It just seems like the "deceptive advertising" argument is clutching at straws.
The Witcher promised 90 hours of fun. I didn't get 90 hours of fun. But I'm not going to sue over it.

I imagine that the US will strike some form of deal with sony allowing them to continue using the PS3s, and the individuals will be offered a refund on their console at best.

Pointless waste of time and money. I do not support these lawsuits.
It's like every jackass believes they are entitled to anything they want.
 

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Flying Dagger said:
From a legal perspective, I don't think sony will lose this one.
But then all my experience is with the UK legal system, so what do I know?

It just seems like the "deceptive advertising" argument is clutching at straws.
The Witcher promised 90 hours of fun. I didn't get 90 hours of fun. But I'm not going to sue over it.

I imagine that the US will strike some form of deal with sony allowing them to continue using the PS3s, and the individuals will be offered a refund on their console at best.

Pointless waste of time and money. I do not support these lawsuits.
It's like every jackass believes they are entitled to anything they want.
Not entitled to everything they want, but how about entitled to everything they PAID FOR.

The thing is, something like 90 hours of fun is not provable, and subject to interpretation, this is bare bones "Advertised to have Linux" "has linux" and now "does not have linux"

I would think it would be more than reasonable for Sony to offer even a PARTIAL refund for this change, but they basically repossessed an advertised feature of the console with no compensation, the suers are not assholes, and they are not selfish, they are looking out for consumer rights.

If people don't assert their rights when they're violated, they will be increasingly violated, if anything, these plaintiffs are acting in our best interest.
 

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I don't own a PS3, have never used one and quite probably never will, but I support the premise behind this lawsuit. Essentially, people bought a product with Other OS advertised (and I think it has been comprehensively proven that a reasonable number of buyers truly DID buy it with this function in mind, eg. US Airforce), and then it was later removed without recompense. Even if the EULA reserved the right to change the service, people only get to read the EULA -after- they buy the product, and thus it is not a legally binding contract in the same way a house or car purchase is, for example. PS3 users should not have to choose between online functionality and Other OS option, as they originally paid for both.

If the removal of Other OS is the only fix to prevent serious piracy, then, while still greatly inconveniencing customers, it is probably justified. But is it the ONLY fix? While Sony are probably not obliged to do this, I feel that they SHOULD have to provide proof that this is the only reasonable way to remedy the security breach. If they can prove that, then what they are doing serves the greater good. If they cannot prove it, they are screwing people over to make money (it has been demonstrated earlier in the thread that Sony lose money from console sales and gain it back on games - if people are using the other OS they aren't playing Sony's games, ergo it is in Sony's interest if people do not use the other OS).

I don't know the answer to this question, but I think it needs to be answered by Sony.

It is a shame that some people will tag along with this lawsuit just to make a quick buck (as I'm sure people will). Regardless of these people, the precedent that this suit sets is an important one. It doesn't matter how many people use this PS3 function, or how few people care. If you pay for a feature of a product (Other OS) and it becomes defective (in this case, security-wise), it should be FIXED, not REMOVED - unless there is absolutely no other way of solving the problem. Until Sony proves this, I personally am unconvinced.
 

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danpascooch said:
omega 616 said:
LordZ said:
omega 616 said:
Do you think Sony intended labs and other companies to use it's gaming console as some sort of super computer? Nope, it has the ability though.

It makes me think there like some team from MAG, cobbling bits of things together to make something that works, when they could just get a super computer to do what they want.

The PS3 was intended to be used for entertainment, not for running numbers or test results.

I didn't think we would need to stoop so low as to use insults, rather petty, don't you think?
When you advertise a product as being a fully functional computer and not just a gaming console, people tend to take you at your word. I know, who'd have ever thought people would believe what Sony advertised about their own product. I mean, to actually expect a feature to continue to function for the lifetime of the product, it's preposterous, right?
Were is this advertisement? I saw them advertise a gaming console, not a computer.
They advertised a game console WITH Linux functionality and capability.
I have just read my launch PS3 box and there is not one mention of Linux on the box, anywhere. Go figure.

danpascooch said:
I don't have any influence in it, but this site is not to influence, it's to discuss. I have been overly hostile to you, and I apologize.

But frankly, this is as much my battle as anybody's, because this WILL change the legal landscape, and that WILL affect all of us in the future.
The title of this thread suggests otherwise.

I cannot name another instance 'cos I am not a law student so I don't study failings in the law.

However, I am certain that in todays corrupt world there are much grander scale crimes, in the same vein as this, to get angry/concerned about.

Some little used feature, the vast majority of PS3 Linux users seem to be corporations who wouldn't download the firmware 'cos they wouldn't play online (or whatever), isn't going to be the tsar bomba of the legal world. If the legal world was Las Vegas this case would be a light in a fridge.
 

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omega 616 said:
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omega 616 said:
LordZ said:
omega 616 said:
Do you think Sony intended labs and other companies to use it's gaming console as some sort of super computer? Nope, it has the ability though.

It makes me think there like some team from MAG, cobbling bits of things together to make something that works, when they could just get a super computer to do what they want.

The PS3 was intended to be used for entertainment, not for running numbers or test results.

I didn't think we would need to stoop so low as to use insults, rather petty, don't you think?
When you advertise a product as being a fully functional computer and not just a gaming console, people tend to take you at your word. I know, who'd have ever thought people would believe what Sony advertised about their own product. I mean, to actually expect a feature to continue to function for the lifetime of the product, it's preposterous, right?
Were is this advertisement? I saw them advertise a gaming console, not a computer.
They advertised a game console WITH Linux functionality and capability.
I have just read my launch PS3 box and there is not one mention of Linux on the box, anywhere. Go figure.

danpascooch said:
I don't have any influence in it, but this site is not to influence, it's to discuss. I have been overly hostile to you, and I apologize.

But frankly, this is as much my battle as anybody's, because this WILL change the legal landscape, and that WILL affect all of us in the future.
The title of this thread suggests otherwise.

I cannot name another instance 'cos I am not a law student so I don't study failings in the law.

However, I am certain that in todays corrupt world there are much grander scale crimes, in the same vein as this, to get angry/concerned about.

Some little used feature, the vast majority of PS3 Linux users seem to be corporations who wouldn't download the firmware 'cos they wouldn't play online (or whatever), isn't going to be the tsar bomba of the legal world. If the legal world was Las Vegas this case would be a light in a fridge.
The title says "why you should care" not "how/why you should influence"

Do you only care about things that you have power over?

EDIT: Actually, now that I look at it, it isn't on the box, I'll edit the OP to reflect that, but it isn't in dispute that it was advertised functionality, sure it didn't exactly take front and center in a commercial, but again, False Advertising is false advertising.