Why you should support the "Other OS" Lawsuits.

[Mark Kennard]

No company is squeeky clean and yet the world goes on turning and your non the wiser, in the grand scheme of unlawful things it's insignificant.

This thread has been a source of some good laughs.

Would people stop going about about it being 'insignificant'. People who think that are just egging Sony on to do more. If you keep ignoring it then you have what we have now: a console that is in no way what it was when it released. It is missing half the features of when it started and it's all because people kept saying 'it's not that big of a loss', well fine years of 'not that big of a loss' has now amounted to a huge loss and it has made the PS3 less and less of an appealing console.

All I can say to you is "So don't buy it/keep it", don't like it don't buy it/keep it.

I have a phat 60 gig and couldn't be happier, don't care about Linux, I have backwards compatibility etc.

I don't have a PS3 and have no intention of buying a PS3 ever so I'm not saying anything because I feel burnt by Sony, what I am saying is that the new PS3s (as in the Slim ones) are nothing that the original fat ones with the Emo Engine were. Sony have taken stuff out (even from the Emo ones like I said in my first post: decent music capabilities, TIFFs, and now Linux, and there is probably more but I'm not in touch with console news because I simply don't care) and even though I hate consoles and wish they would all die, I don't think that it is right for Sony to be penalising a majority because they are too lazy to fix holes and bugs (hypervisor security holes, TIFF exploits) when they could have gotten help from someone and said 'right how can we fix this' and not conclude with 'oh just rip it out'. If doctors did that then we'd go into surgury with lung cancer and come back with only a head, two arms and two legs.

 

[himemiya1650]

I totally support a class action lawsuit if there's one in Canada or Ontario. Sony's move was total douchebaggery and I've never been in a class action lawsuit before.

 

[Danpascooch]

Whether or not I agree with you, that was quite informative, thought propaganda at times, and quite hilarious as you are clearly very into this whole debate.
Thanks for the great read, and the information! I don't have a PS3 anyway, so whatever. PS2 for life >_>
Actually I just don't see the point in buying something that isn't backwards compatible. Also I don't want to spend $700 on one that is.

I would support this whole thing on principle, but the world has destroyed my will and faith in the legal system so I'm just going to curl up in the fetal position in the shower with my clothes on instead.

I claim a lot of things, but one thing I don't claim is that I'm impartial

 

[The Lost Big Boss]

Well I am going to give my two cents, and excuse if anything I say has been said before I don't really have the time or patients for going through 300+ posts of increasing trolling and flaming.

Now for me on my "care-o-meter" the Other OS rates at a zero. I had no use for it because I have a computer with enough space for another partition on my HDD if I so choose to try out Linux. (SP?)

Now for the rest of the people who have been fucked over in this situation, it sucks and I would be just as pissed off if I were in your boots. But does it hold water in a legal case, I can't say myself because I have as much legal knowledge as some one who watches Law and Order every night... which I do.

But lets look not at the present or future but the past my fellow man! Not long ago the much awaited "Slim" was being rumored (More like leaked, well really gushing in reality) during TGS if my memory serves me correct. New price point bla, bla, bla. Then the news struck that they would no longer be making any more "Fat" PS3's and the rest of the fats would stay on rotation till sold out. Once they were sold out they were gone.

Now remember two things that were happening during the Slim? One was no backwards compatibility, and two no Other OS. Now this is the big thing in this situation, they are no longer producing BC and Other OS PS3's, so right their they shouldn't be helled for "False Advertising" because when the slim came out they were not advertising that option because it was gone.

Now lets go to February or March, doesn't matter which. Some person announces that he has finally broken the PS3 into being able to play pirated games. This is huge, no one has has been able to "To Sony's knowledge" crack a PS3 into being able to play pirated games. Now they have a security leek and if this spreads they could be in the same situation Microsoft is in with the Xbox and the ridiculous amount of pirates they deal with. Now between then and the removal of the OS option they must of found out that the cause of the crack was from the OS option, the coincidence would be to great.

So now Sony has a choice, let the situation run out of control and potentially be in the same boat as Microsoft. Or take a chance and remove the feature that caused the security instability. So they did what any large company would do, cut their losses pissing off a small fan base and assure the security of their own system and games. Now the one other problem is the pre-slim advertising of the OS option. I think that because of the security risk they had to take action and that should give them the right to remove that option.

So I do feel your pain and anger, but I don't think that they should be legally reprimanded for protecting their protecting.

 

[Danpascooch]

No company is squeeky clean and yet the world goes on turning and your non the wiser, in the grand scheme of unlawful things it's insignificant.

This thread has been a source of some good laughs.

Would people stop going about about it being 'insignificant'. People who think that are just egging Sony on to do more. If you keep ignoring it then you have what we have now: a console that is in no way what it was when it released. It is missing half the features of when it started and it's all because people kept saying 'it's not that big of a loss', well fine years of 'not that big of a loss' has now amounted to a huge loss and it has made the PS3 less and less of an appealing console.

All I can say to you is "So don't buy it/keep it", don't like it don't buy it/keep it.

I have a phat 60 gig and couldn't be happier, don't care about Linux, I have backwards compatibility etc.

I didn't choose to talk about this because it's the most important case out there, if you think we should all be worried about the most important thing at any given moment, then what the fuck are you still doing here, you should be raising money for cancer treatments or something.

I chose it because I think it's important, and it's on a topic that interests me.

If we always worried ourselves with the most important thing going on in the world at any given time, life wouldn't be worth living.

Could you do me a favor and snip, haha.

You picked this? Linux? -.-

If you would have picked backwards compatibility, I would completely agree with you but since nobody but companies use Linux, I am stood on the opposite side.

Theres only a select few who can do anything with cancer helping the world, rich people and scientists, I am neither. I could spend my life rise money to the thing that took a family member (cancer) and still contribute less than one rich guy donates in one go for the tax break.

Hedonism is a beautiful thing.

I picked Linux, maybe you don't think it's a worthy cause, and honestly I could care less if you do, but I hardly think you're one to judge when the cause you're pursuing right now is telling that person he's wrong.

My cause is supporting consumer rights, your cause is trying to prove a stranger on the internet wrong. Somehow, I don't think you should be accusing me of doing something worthless.

 

[jasoncyrus]

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Hate to burst your legal bubble but if you are going to try justifying sueing sony because they took out a feature. You'll have to ***** out apple aswell. They've done pretty much almost exactly the same thing with their new restrictions on apps using only approved coding.

Also its a game console, not a car or anything important. Sueing over not being able to use another OS on it is stupid and proves you're just a money grubbing douchebag. If you want to use linux, buy a pc and put linux on it. Thats what linux was originally designed for. Plus, the airforce using the hardware for the clusters. I somewhat doubt they will be bothered much about giving a backhand to sony for clean PS3s.

Get over it, oh and grow up =)

EDIT: On a side note, it's pretty obvious anyone sueing sony is going to get banned from PSN, especially since they can ban you for whatever reason they like.

Sure they can ban from PSN, but it's false advertising to not allow them to use games released from now on.

And believe me, I don't need to do any "growing up" I'm concerned with the legal ramifications of the act, I don't even USE PS3's, and believe me, I'm NO fan of Apple, but what they are doing is not false advertising, simply because they aren't taking away a feature they previously advertised that requires no upkeep from them.

quote the grow up line was simply because you made a big show of not wanting people to say it. =P

Anyway, technically its not false advertising since it's stated that certain things are subject to change. Thus you are being informed before you purchase it that theoretically, it might not even be a ps3 anymore after the next update but instead say...a toaster.

 

[sunburst]

You picked this? Linux? -.-

If you would have picked backwards compatibility, I would completely agree with you but since nobody but companies use Linux, I am stood on the opposite side.

Okay seriously, stop it. No matter how many times you say no one used the Other OS option, it will never magically become true. There is a large subculture of gamers dedicated to putting open source software on EVERYTHING. I ran Linux on my original Xbox and people are still working diligently to perfect Linux on the 360. Having the option to do this on the PS3 without modding was a huge selling point to these people. They are certainly not the majority, but they exist by the tens of thousands.

 

[Danpascooch]

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Hate to burst your legal bubble but if you are going to try justifying sueing sony because they took out a feature. You'll have to ***** out apple aswell. They've done pretty much almost exactly the same thing with their new restrictions on apps using only approved coding.

Also its a game console, not a car or anything important. Sueing over not being able to use another OS on it is stupid and proves you're just a money grubbing douchebag. If you want to use linux, buy a pc and put linux on it. Thats what linux was originally designed for. Plus, the airforce using the hardware for the clusters. I somewhat doubt they will be bothered much about giving a backhand to sony for clean PS3s.

Get over it, oh and grow up =)

EDIT: On a side note, it's pretty obvious anyone sueing sony is going to get banned from PSN, especially since they can ban you for whatever reason they like.

Sure they can ban from PSN, but it's false advertising to not allow them to use games released from now on.

And believe me, I don't need to do any "growing up" I'm concerned with the legal ramifications of the act, I don't even USE PS3's, and believe me, I'm NO fan of Apple, but what they are doing is not false advertising, simply because they aren't taking away a feature they previously advertised that requires no upkeep from them.

quote the grow up line was simply because you made a big show of not wanting people to say it. =P

Anyway, technically its not false advertising since it's stated that certain things are subject to change. Thus you are being informed before you purchase it that theoretically, it might not even be a ps3 anymore after the next update but instead say...a toaster.

Yes, it was stated in the EULA, but since you don't see the EULA until AFTER you purchase the console, it doesn't matter, you already payed for it.

And yeah, I kinda was asking for somebody to tell me to grow up.

 

[Mark Kennard]

Just a side note: false advertising here: if you don't update and try to play a new release game that needs the new firmware, isn't Sony saying in their manual...

"Starting / quitting games
Starting a game

When you insert the disc, the game starts automatically."

...kind of false advertising because the game will not start automatically, it'll come back and ***** because you aren't running the right firmware. Yeah, that's not false advertising.

 

[Danpascooch]

Well I am going to give my two cents, and excuse if anything I say has been said before I don't really have the time or patients for going through 300+ posts of increasing trolling and flaming.

Now for me on my "care-o-meter" the Other OS rates at a zero. I had no use for it because I have a computer with enough space for another partition on my HDD if I so choose to try out Linux. (SP?)

Now for the rest of the people who have been fucked over in this situation, it sucks and I would be just as pissed off if I were in your boots. But does it hold water in a legal case, I can't say myself because I have as much legal knowledge as some one who watches Law and Order every night... which I do.

But lets look not at the present or future but the past my fellow man! Not long ago the much awaited "Slim" was being rumored (More like leaked, well really gushing in reality) during TGS if my memory serves me correct. New price point bla, bla, bla. Then the news struck that they would no longer be making any more "Fat" PS3's and the rest of the fats would stay on rotation till sold out. Once they were sold out they were gone.

Now remember two things that were happening during the Slim? One was no backwards compatibility, and two no Other OS. Now this is the big thing in this situation, they are no longer producing BC and Other OS PS3's, so right their they shouldn't be helled for "False Advertising" because when the slim came out they were not advertising that option because it was gone.

Now lets go to February or March, doesn't matter which. Some person announces that he has finally broken the PS3 into being able to play pirated games. This is huge, no one has has been able to "To Sony's knowledge" crack a PS3 into being able to play pirated games. Now they have a security leek and if this spreads they could be in the same situation Microsoft is in with the Xbox and the ridiculous amount of pirates they deal with. Now between then and the removal of the OS option they must of found out that the cause of the crack was from the OS option, the coincidence would be to great.

So now Sony has a choice, let the situation run out of control and potentially be in the same boat as Microsoft. Or take a chance and remove the feature that caused the security instability. So they did what any large company would do, cut their losses pissing off a small fan base and assure the security of their own system and games. Now the one other problem is the pre-slim advertising of the OS option. I think that because of the security risk they had to take action and that should give them the right to remove that option.

So I do feel your pain and anger, but I don't think that they should be legally reprimanded for protecting their protecting.

They can choose what to include in future units, but they can't strip functionality on something they already sold.

And there is no way they couldn't have fixed the security leak while preserving Linux functionality anyway.

 

[LordZ]

You will get most of your money back on the PS3, seems like a poor decision to get it in the first place though.

Yeah, in hindsight, it wasn't my best decision. I was expecting a lot more games worthy of my time and I took the Other OS support as a nod to the idea of putting lots of PC functions on the PS3. I was wrong, very wrong.

For what it's worth, I really did intend to use Linux on it. I figured I'd wait for Linux support to get good (which always takes forever and a day) and then I'd jump in on it then for some good times(I like to tinker so Linux is something I find entertaining on its own). This obviously didn't go according to plan. Linux wasn't the only reason, of course. I had planned to game on it more and use it as a Bluray player. However, I've been disappointed on all fronts. The game and movie selection hasn't been what I'd hoped for. Then this whole Other OS nonsense started. I'm rather burned on the whole experience.

 

[Mark Kennard]

Just a side note: false advertising here: if you don't update and try to play a new release game that needs the new firmware, isn't Sony saying in their manual...

"Starting / quitting games
Starting a game

When you insert the disc, the game starts automatically."

...kind of false advertising because the game will not start automatically, it'll come back and ***** because you aren't running the right firmware. Yeah, that's not false advertising.

Also another thought comes to mind but don't certain PS2 games require updates for better compatibility? That means that even on the old chunky Emo PS3s which advertised PS2 compatibility, you won't have that.

 

[Danpascooch]

It's picking your battles, getting amped up over something as worthless as this is a waste of effort. Get angry over something that matters. If you have a list of problems you start with the biggest not mess around with the little ones.

You may be fine with ignoring something that's wrong just because it's not "bad enough" to bother you but I refuse to look the other way. Just because you have low standards doesn't mean I have to lower mine.

So you game on PC, bought a PS3 for Linux (maybe a tiny big of gaming) and are now waiting for firmware to get Linux back, if that doesn't happen your going to sell it on ebay for full price? I apologize in advance but I am simply returning the favor, that plan fails.

Unless the PS3 is still boxed nobody will buy it full price, even thats unlikely. If your mainly a PC gamer, why would you need a part time PC? It doesn't make sense.

This thread has been a source of some good laughs, not at the people who have quoted me though.

I have a good reputation on eBay and that can be worth more than a box. Though, you're right, it's not guaranteed. I never said it was a perfect plan but I work with what I have.

If you want to get worked up over a feature mainly used by a small number of companies and the US airforce go right ahead, just don't make out your better than me for doing so.

You will get most of your money back on the PS3, seems like a poor decision to get it in the first place though.

I don't know what's wrong with you, but try to get this through your drunken Pikachu head: "THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER YOU LIKE LINUX OR THINK IT'S USEFUL OR IMPORTANT"

It's about whether Sony did something illegal.

 

[jasoncyrus]

Yes, it was stated in the EULA, but since you don't see the EULA until AFTER you purchase the console, it doesn't matter, you already payed for it.

And yeah, I kinda was asking for somebody to tell me to grow up.

However you DO see it when you play it for the first time and since 99% of people play it the first day they get it, they have the option to return it and get their money back as everywhere has a 30 day (or however long) return period, so to be honest. You had your chance to return it, you chose to take the risk and not to.

Thus no case for false advertising.

 

[Flying Dagger]

A politician/paralegal, wouldn't that make you just about the BEST informed person here?

It would, if I didn't have the bad fortune to be born in England.

 

[LordZ]

As a politician who used to be a paralegal...

I had wondered why I didn't feel any compulsion to argue with you. I believe I've found my reason. ;D

 

[jasoncyrus]

A politician/paralegal, wouldn't that make you just about the BEST informed person here?

It would, if I didn't have the bad fortune to be born in England.

Which party do you work for? So the masses know whether or not to burn you at the stake =P

 

[Danpascooch]

Yes, it was stated in the EULA, but since you don't see the EULA until AFTER you purchase the console, it doesn't matter, you already payed for it.

And yeah, I kinda was asking for somebody to tell me to grow up.

However you DO see it when you play it for the first time and since 99% of people play it the first day they get it, they have the option to return it and get their money back as everywhere has a 30 day (or however long) return period, so to be honest. You had your chance to return it, you chose to take the risk and not to.

Thus no case for false advertising.

But that return policy (which usually only works when it's defective) is a STORE policy if it exists, not something from Sony, so the false advertising still stands.

 

[Mark Kennard]

I don't know what's wrong with you, but try to get this through your drunken Pikachu head: "THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER YOU LIKE LINUX OR THINK IT'S USEFUL OR IMPORTANT"

Win. I loled so hard may can of drink went out my nose all over my keyboard.

 

[jasoncyrus]

Yes, it was stated in the EULA, but since you don't see the EULA until AFTER you purchase the console, it doesn't matter, you already payed for it.

And yeah, I kinda was asking for somebody to tell me to grow up.

However you DO see it when you play it for the first time and since 99% of people play it the first day they get it, they have the option to return it and get their money back as everywhere has a 30 day (or however long) return period, so to be honest. You had your chance to return it, you chose to take the risk and not to.

Thus no case for false advertising.

But that return policy (which usually only works when it's defective) is a STORE policy if it exists, not something from Sony, so the false advertising still stands.

Technically not, since the stores are legally required to accept returns within 30 days incase of an incorrect purchase. Most get around this issue by only issueing store credit instead of cash.

Which leads to the only viable sources to sue sony being the stores who sell the ps3s to the public.