Why you should support the "Other OS" Lawsuits.

[BlindMessiah94]

Whether or not I agree with you, that was quite informative, thought propaganda at times, and quite hilarious as you are clearly very into this whole debate.
Thanks for the great read, and the information! I don't have a PS3 anyway, so whatever. PS2 for life >_>
Actually I just don't see the point in buying something that isn't backwards compatible. Also I don't want to spend $700 on one that is.

I would support this whole thing on principle, but the world has destroyed my will and faith in the legal system so I'm just going to curl up in the fetal position in the shower with my clothes on instead.

I claim a lot of things, but one thing I don't claim is that I'm impartial

Just like the legal system pretends to be?

 

[Danpascooch]

Yes, it was stated in the EULA, but since you don't see the EULA until AFTER you purchase the console, it doesn't matter, you already payed for it.

And yeah, I kinda was asking for somebody to tell me to grow up.

However you DO see it when you play it for the first time and since 99% of people play it the first day they get it, they have the option to return it and get their money back as everywhere has a 30 day (or however long) return period, so to be honest. You had your chance to return it, you chose to take the risk and not to.

Thus no case for false advertising.

But that return policy (which usually only works when it's defective) is a STORE policy if it exists, not something from Sony, so the false advertising still stands.

Technically not, since the stores are legally required to accept returns within 30 days incase of an incorrect purchase. Most get around this issue by only issueing store credit instead of cash.

Which leads to the only viable sources to sue sony being the stores who sell the ps3s to the public.

I would like to see that US law (I hope you're not talking about a UK law), and I would also like to see the definition of "incorrect purchase"

 

[Flying Dagger]

A politician/paralegal, wouldn't that make you just about the BEST informed person here?

It would, if I didn't have the bad fortune to be born in England.

Which party do you work for? So the masses know whether or not to burn you at the stake =P

Progressive labour, backing Ed Miliband.
Still at the student stage of my career, have had internships with both MPs and barristers though.

 

[omega 616]

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So you hate consoles, have no interest in them but you care that Sony keeps taking things? Were as I have a PS3 and love it, I think in this instance alone my argument holds slightly more weight.

I picked Linux, maybe you don't think it's a worthy cause, and honestly I could care less if you do, but I hardly think you're one to judge when the cause you're pursuing right now is telling that person he's wrong.

My cause is supporting consumer rights, your cause is trying to prove a stranger on the internet wrong. Somehow, I don't think you should be accusing me of doing something worthless.

I thought I settled this awhile ago, I have three times now "lets agree to disagree" yet you keep quoting me, I am pursuing nothing, you on the other hand are constantly trying to make me come over to your way of thinking.

So should everybody who disagrees with you leave this thread? In order to discuss people have to disagree, otherwise you just have people saying "I agree, grrr you Sony".

Consumer rights is a worthy cause, Something people aren't generally bothered about, not so much.

Which leads me on to ...

You picked this? Linux? -.-

If you would have picked backwards compatibility, I would completely agree with you but since nobody but companies use Linux, I am stood on the opposite side.

Okay seriously, stop it. No matter how many times you say no one used the Other OS option, it will never magically become true. There is a large subculture of gamers dedicated to putting open source software on EVERYTHING. I ran Linux on my original Xbox and people are still working diligently to perfect Linux on the 360. Having the option to do this on the PS3 without modding was a huge selling point to these people. They are certainly not the majority, but they exist by the tens of thousands.

I thought I cleared this up aswell.

If I remember correctly (it's 3 am so I am probably wrong, even if I am just go with it) there were 50 million PS3's sold, (lets be generous, you say tens of thousands) if 100,000 individuals and 1,000 companies use Linux on the PS3, whats that as a percent? I am not even good at maths but I bet it's low.

Thats what I mean by nobody, I don't literally mean no one in the world.

 

[Mark Kennard]

However you DO see it when you play it for the first time and since 99% of people play it the first day they get it, they have the option to return it and get their money back as everywhere has a 30 day (or however long) return period, so to be honest. You had your chance to return it, you chose to take the risk and not to.

Thus no case for false advertising.

Who ever reads the EULA when they get something new. I know you are supposed to and by agreeing to it even by not reading it, you are still obligated to it, but I doubt anyone will agree to it (without reading it) and then realise they should read it, get to the Linux clause and then pack it all up and take it back to the shop.

And anyway I've been wanting to know, what is this hallowed line in the EULA that says 'We will take out Linux at some stage and sucks to be you'? Anyone got a link or quote or something to it?

 

[Uber Waddles]

Just let me get on my high horse for a moment...

I see far too many people saying Sony is justified, and by saying "its not a big deal" or "no business is perfect/the issue isn't big enough."

May I ask, when the hell did it become acceptable by the public to not persue the wrong doing of a coperation, no matter how small it is? You let a company get away with one thing, they'll start getting away with more. Its the DUTY, of ANY CITIZEN, of ANY COUNTRY, to ensure a company acts in a legal matter. If you dont, you get countries where politicians are spokespersons for industry; which is WRONG.

People dont answer to industry, industry answers to people. Government makes laws to protect people's intrest, not the interest of business (unless they have a large stake in the peoples interest).

I support the matter simply because Sony broke the law. Flat out, no matter how small it was. Companies are not above the law. Dont treat them like they are. This would be like Microsoft removing the ability to play Video or listen to music from their Xbox 360's, only a smaller scale.

 

[jasoncyrus]

I would like to see that US law (I hope you're not talking about a UK law), and I would also like to see the definition of "incorrect purchase"

basically its a loose grouping of all the piss ass excuses customers come up with such as: "It was a birthday present but he already has it" and "It was bought for a friend but he died in a car accident", "It doesn't do what I need it to" etc etc.

I know the UK has a some bill or such like covering that, i think the US does too not 100% sure.

 

[jasoncyrus]

A politician/paralegal, wouldn't that make you just about the BEST informed person here?

It would, if I didn't have the bad fortune to be born in England.

Which party do you work for? So the masses know whether or not to burn you at the stake =P

Progressive labour, backing Ed Miliband.
Still at the student stage of my career, have had internships with both MPs and barristers though.

Progressive Labour? Is that different from the labour that ran the country into the ground?

 

[Danpascooch]

I have three times now "lets agree to disagree" yet you keep quoting me, I am pursuing nothing.

I quote you because you quote me, and tell me that I am wasting time on an unworthy cause.

Frankly it's unbelievable that you have the BALLS to tell me I should be doing something more worthwhile than what I am currently doing, and then say "I AM PURSUING NOTHING"

God, It makes me want to give myself a lobotomy.

 

[Danpascooch]

I would like to see that US law (I hope you're not talking about a UK law), and I would also like to see the definition of "incorrect purchase"

basically its a loose grouping of all the piss ass excuses customers come up with such as: "It was a birthday present but he already has it" and "It was bought for a friend but he died in a car accident", "It doesn't do what I need it to" etc etc.

I know the UK has a some bill or such like covering that, i think the US does too not 100% sure.

I know that US stores are notoriously difficult when it comes to electronics returns, the basic policy is, if you opened it, and it's not broken, we are going to laugh you out of the store.

And sense you don't see the EULA till you open it...

 

[Mark Kennard]

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So you hate consoles, have no interest in them but you care that Sony keeps taking things? Were as I have a PS3 and love it, I think in this instance alone my argument holds slightly more weight.

I only care because I'm sick of hearing my mates ***** about how Sony are dicks and they took another thing from their consoles, but they only ***** to me and they don't ***** to Sony. I don't see why you don't get that. How can you not get the point that Sony have been taking stuff out of the PS3 all it's life and people have had enough of it and are now speaking up? How would you feel if every time your car broke down and you took it into the shop and every time they took a bolt out saying 'Oh it's only one bolt, it'll be fine', but then eventually they take the last bolt out and all you are left with is a pile or car parts with no bolts holding it together. Let me guess, you'd defend the mechanic saying 'oh it was only one last bolt he had to take to make it worthless, so it's alright'. It's not one bolt he took, it's EVERY FRIGGIN BOLT IN THE CAR HAS BEEN TAKEN!

 

[wargrafix]

The PS3 is a waste of money since the games which came out mostly suck. However, on principle, removing any OS is simply dirty since it was a main selling point.

 

[omega 616]

I don't know what's wrong with you, but try to get this through your drunken Pikachu head: "THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER YOU LIKE LINUX OR THINK IT'S USEFUL OR IMPORTANT"

It's about whether Sony did something illegal.

This thread has been good for my post count, I guess.

Pick a company they all have done something illegal, the fact you seem to think this one case is going to matter is laughable, maybe your zombie brain has rotted (avatar jokes, really?).

They may get a fine for false advertising but it won't hurt Sonys bottom line a whole lot.

 

[jasoncyrus]

However you DO see it when you play it for the first time and since 99% of people play it the first day they get it, they have the option to return it and get their money back as everywhere has a 30 day (or however long) return period, so to be honest. You had your chance to return it, you chose to take the risk and not to.

Thus no case for false advertising.

Who ever reads the EULA when they get something new. I know you are supposed to and by agreeing to it even by not reading it, you are still obligated to it, but I doubt anyone will agree to it (without reading it) and then realise they should read it, get to the Linux clause and then pack it all up and take it back to the shop.

And anyway I've been wanting to know, what is this hallowed line in the EULA that says 'We will take out Linux at some stage and sucks to be you'? Anyone got a link or quote or something to it?

Theres never a line that specifies any changes. It's generally a line that says (in various forms of wording) Anything to do with this is subject to change at our beck and whim. It's a standard clause that comes with everything that can be changed. A perfect example of this ae terms and conditions on credit cards etc.

 

[Mark Kennard]

I know that US stores are notoriously difficult when it comes to electronics returns, the basic policy is, if you opened it, and it's not broken, we are going to laugh you out of the store.

My country is the same. My mate got an external hard drive from a shop, it died the next day, he returns it and they replace it with the same model, and he returns the replacement one saying he doesn't want it because the first one broke and they didn't take it back because the current one wasn't broken. It's it ain't broke, they won't take it.

 

[Danpascooch]

I don't know what's wrong with you, but try to get this through your drunken Pikachu head: "THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER YOU LIKE LINUX OR THINK IT'S USEFUL OR IMPORTANT"

It's about whether Sony did something illegal.

This thread has been good for my post count, I guess.

Pick a company they all have done something illegal, the fact you seem to think this one case is going to matter is laughable, maybe your zombie brain has rotted (avatar jokes, really?).

They may get a fine for false advertising but it won't hurt Sonys bottom line a whole lot.

What makes you think I care if you think this case is important? I know it's important, and I won't overlook it just because you think I should.

Frankly, if you don't care, then what the hell are you still doing in this thread, it's outrageous that you accuse me of wasting my time on something fruitless while you spend hours here and repeatedly stand up and declare "I AM APATHETIC" every 3 minutes or so.

Your post count is about the only reason I can think of for you to so powerfully and repeatedly declare "I don't care". I've never seen someone care so much about not caring, it's a whole new level of idiocy.

 

[Mark Kennard]

Anything to do with this is subject to change at our beck and whim.

Mmm, they say subject to change, but change to me (and this is how I see it) means they will just fiddle with the feature, not remove it completely without a trace except for a little post-it saying 'oh yeah, it's gone so ha'. Again it's down to interpretation, but I see it as they have taken something they said they will only fiddle with to improve or something like that.

 

[Danpascooch]

Anything to do with this is subject to change at our beck and whim.

Mmm, they say subject to change, but change to me (and this is how I see it) means they will just fiddle with the feature, not remove it completely without a trace except for a little post-it saying 'oh yeah, it's gone so ha'. Again it's down to interpretation, but I see it as they have taken something they said they will only fiddle with to improve or something like that.

It doesn't even matter what they said, because it only says that after you payed the cash for the console.

 

[omega 616]

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So you hate consoles, have no interest in them but you care that Sony keeps taking things? Were as I have a PS3 and love it, I think in this instance alone my argument holds slightly more weight.

I only care because I'm sick of hearing my mates ***** about how Sony are dicks and they took another thing from their consoles, but they only ***** to me and they don't ***** to Sony. I don't see why you don't get that. How can you not get the point that Sony have been taking stuff out of the PS3 all it's life and people have had enough of it and are now speaking up? How would you feel if every time your car broke down and you took it into the shop and every time they took a bolt out saying 'Oh it's only one bolt, it'll be fine', but then eventually they take the last bolt out and all you are left with is a pile or car parts with no bolts holding it together. Let me guess, you'd defend the mechanic saying 'oh it was only one last bolt he had to take to make it worthless, so it's alright'. It's not one bolt he took, it's EVERY FRIGGIN BOLT IN THE CAR HAS BEEN TAKEN!

Unfortunate choice there, I don't have a car and I am a mechanic ...

Not the same thing though is it? Or are you going for a hyperbole? I can't tell.

I quote you because you quote me, and tell me that I am wasting time on an unworthy cause.

Frankly it's unbelievable that you have the BALLS to tell me I should be doing something more worthwhile than what I am currently doing, and then say "I AM PURSUING NOTHING"

God, It makes me want to give myself a lobotomy.

You only have to say "okay, I agree to disagree", like I have done 3 times.

Well I do have BALLS, although I fail to see how this has anything to do with other OS.

You are perusing nothing, you admitted that before, "This thread is about discussion" remember?

 

[Mark Kennard]

Pick a company they all have done something illegal, the fact you seem to think this one case is going to matter is laughable, maybe your zombie brain has rotted (avatar jokes, really?).

So two wrongs make a right then? So because everyone does it, it's all right? So if Sony murders someone and Toshiba, Samsung, Microsoft, Apple, Dell, HP, Logitech, Intel, AMD and IBM all go murder someone as well it's all right because they all did it so if you sue one of them it won't stop VMWare from jumping in and doing it to. Companies need to be told when enough is enough. They are children and if you let them get away with it like we have, they will get away with murder next.