Why you shouldn't hate XB1:

[Zeh Don]

I'll stop hating when they make it more work to hate than it is to be apathetic. Right now, they're still adding reasons to hate their console. And it doesn't take any additional effort because the facts speak for themselves.
Like how virtually every single major feature of the console - including "TV TV TV SPORTS!" - requires an Xbox Live Gold subscription. [http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/07/xbox-ones-dvr-feature-requires-xbox-live-gold-membership]

 

[AuronFtw]

How much is microsoft paying people to create these threads? I mean is it a lot? Am I missing out on some easy dough?

 

[Flames66]

Disclaimer: The following response is one persons opinion. The person in question is out of sinc with current thinking and this should not be taken as proven fact (except the proven facts).

-Because the original policy wasn't anti-consumer at all... MS didn't NEED to add more DRM; the piracy rates on consoles are relatively low thanks to physical DRM on discs, they were planning to make everything digital, and thus required digital DRM similar to Steam's check-in. Of course Steam's check-in is something like once every 2 weeks, but Steam doesn't let you sell your games or share them with your friends.

Firstly don't call me (or anyone else) a consumer.

The difference with Steam is that, if I chose to, I could play most of my games in offline mode with no issues. I could set Steam to be offline and not, in theory, ever have to connect again. With the Xbone I would be required to connect daily even to play single player games which I don't want to do. Any games consoles I have are never connected to the internet, so this would make it non-functional.

-How is no one excited about having modding on a console?

This is the first I've heard of Xbone modding. Any sources?

-Most ppl see the Kinect 2 as a selling point, since multimedia features are cool for ppl who do things outside of game, and I can't be the only one who wants to see motion controlled hardcore games, which the K2 is capable of delivering. It can even read your emotions and change gameplay according to that...

I don't know enough about it to comment on it's "hardcore" gaming capabilities, so I will stick to my opinions and preferences. I have separate things for my multimedia activities and want to keep it that way, so the Kinect 2s features here hold no interest for me.

The fact that it cannot be disconnected is the issue for me. I do not trust M$ with a constantly on and internet connected camera/mic that is capable of telling my position in a room, listening to my conversations and picking up my physical and emotional state.

-MS has invested in cloud computing, which may not be a HUGE thing at the present moment, though it was important enough for Titanfall to be a Microsoft exclusive, but in years to come it will pay off and help future proof the console. Yes Sony also has some form of cloud storage but nothing close to the scale of Windows Azure.

I want all my hardware to be here with me rather than relying on their remote stuff. I don't want my console connected to the internet at all.

 

[CpT_x_Killsteal]

PAHAHAHAHAHAHA not anti-consumer?
1) The original policy wasn't going to let you "share" games with friends. A rep told everoyne you could lend your friend a "demo" of the game.
2) No internet, no gaming for you.
3)They're gonna have a full monopoly on their platform (even after the policy change)

What modding?

Most of Kinects multimedia features require a Gold subscription.

Cloud just means you're gonna be able to transfer your saves, and maybe some sort of real-time event manipulation by devolopers. And Titanfall is an exclusive because they don't want their devs making games for the rival, much better, console.
Whoopdy -f*ckin-doo.


On a side note, You and I both have 6 warnings, yet you have one twentieth of my posts and you signed on less than 2 months ago.

Just an observation.

 

[fix-the-spade]

Why is it that the only xbone threads I've seen in the last couple of days have been "Don't hate Xbone" threads?

No one was talking about the xbone until you say stop hating it.

I believe it's called Guerilla marketing, pay some agency to go places and make discussion where there is none.

Whilst the backlash against the Xbone must have frightened Microsoft, the total silence about it now must be deafening. It's more expensive than the PS4 and so far there is little else to differentiate the two (beside a gimmicky camera thing), but the little there is leans in Sony's favour. Interest in it has dropped and won't go back up until launch week, which for Microsoft Pr must be terrifying.

It's impressive the number of threads about Xbone that have popped up from newly minted accounts that talk about nothing but Xbone. It's not suspicious at all either...

 

[fix-the-spade]

Titanfall is an exclusive because they don't want their devs making games for the rival, much better, console.

Titanfall's a PC game, Activision just doesn't want to admit it yet...

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

Hey the other 'I'm totally not a fanboy/paid off by MS to create this positive thread about a terrible console' came back up!

One of the posters came up with quite the analogy for the next gen of consoles.

These game companies are like hookers. Follow me on this... I'm trying to make a point.

(Also, this is from a straight male's perspective)

Wii U is the same hooker that you've been going to since the '80s. Every so often she does something new, but you know what you get with her. If you want her to do what her older sisters would do, she's compatible and will do them gladly. Unfortunately, she's riding off the fame of her sisters right now and doesn't do a whole lot of original things yet.

PS4 is the hooker that everybody loves. Her focus is on one thing and one things only: sex. Yeah, she does other stuff too, but sex is what she's known for. Yeah she has some issues, like any other broad that you see on the street, but she's no worse than her older sister, PS3. Granted, she simply won't do what her sisters do at all, but she has a lot of new tricks up her sleeve.

But the Xbone... she was a hooker with a penis... and she didn't want to be on bottom. All she wanted to do was fuck you in the ass, and she expected you to like it. In fact, she expected you to thank her for it. You see, most straight men don't like being fucked in the ass. In response to this, nobody wanted to buy her. They'd rather buy her rival PS4. So she got an operation. Now that she no longer has a penis, she expects you to forget that she wanted to fuck you in the ass. Some people are okay with her now, and would gladly sleep with her, but many other people still remember that that she had a dick and will never unsee it.

I hope that clears things up. Your actions have consequences, and your words have weight. You can't get me to unhear what you have to say nor forget what you did. Don't fuck with the consumer.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

-snip.

in short, in one of your other threads about XBone hate, this guy here pretty much summed up a lot of peoples problem with Xbone;

I wont rehash the litany of reasons people hated the Xbone but you ask the question, 'Did literally NO ONE see the benefits of an always online console?'

And this is exactly the point: Microsoft didn't show us any benefits! They showed us TV, Sports, COD Dog, and tried to shove a multitude of anti-consumer practices down our throats. When anyone anyone had the temerity to ask about the restrictions they were either fobbed off or patronized. When they finally got round to mentioning the plus points, like the Cloud and Family Sharing, they seemed like they had no idea what they were talking about. Different people gave different impressions and tried to weasel out and redirect straight questions. In short they came across like dodgy used-car salesmen.

'So...why do we need DRM?'
'Hey, why don't you wanna come with us to the FUTURE?'

'Could you nail down exactly how the Family Sharing is gonna work?
'Did you SEE Titanfall?'

As consumers it's not our job to search high and low for possible benefits, it's up to Microsoft to show them to us. They failed spectacularly.

 

[Joccaren]

-Because the original policy wasn't anti-consumer at all... MS didn't NEED to add more DRM; the piracy rates on consoles are relatively low thanks to physical DRM on discs, they were planning to make everything digital, and thus required digital DRM similar to Steam's check-in. Of course Steam's check-in is something like once every 2 weeks, but Steam doesn't let you sell your games or share them with your friends.

That's great for people with good internet, still doesn't help those without good internet.

-How is no one excited about having modding on a console?

To what extent modding?
The Forge sort of modding for the Halo series? 'cause I'll tell you now, you're not going to get proper modding on a console. Maybe they'll let you change some values around, I'd be surprised - IMO they'll just let you design some levels - but there is no hope in hell of being able to make new models/textures, or code, to make a full blown mod for a game. It would be far too unintuitive for them to bother.
In addition it would only be for certain games that decided to program a modding suite for them. You can't have a universal modding suite. You need the publisher to release one. When many don't do so for PC, what are the hopes the X1 will get better treatment?
Slim to none.

-Most ppl see the Kinect 2 as a selling point, since multimedia features are cool for ppl who do things outside of game, and I can't be the only one who wants to see motion controlled hardcore games, which the K2 is capable of delivering. It can even read your emotions and change gameplay according to that...

Yeah, when multimedia is the selling point of your gaming device you know something's wrong. Yay, I have to go through a few menus on the X1, or say something it will misinterpret, rather than pressing 1 button on my remote. CONVENIENCE.
I'd also hold off judgement on the Kinect 2. Until you yourself have used it, or reliable people on the internet have, and confirmed that this one works as intended, unlike the Kinect 1, then I'd assume its Kinect 1.1 - it can do a couple more things, but still doesn't work the way it should.

-MS has invested in cloud computing, which may not be a HUGE thing at the present moment, though it was important enough for Titanfall to be a Microsoft exclusive, but in years to come it will pay off and help future proof the console. Yes Sony also has some form of cloud storage but nothing close to the scale of Windows Azure.

Let me go laugh my ass off for a bit.
Cloud computing. Hah!
Its a joke. Seriously. Thanks to bandwidth and internet speeds EVERYWHERE ON THE PLANET, it could not do more than basic calculations for a game like Diablo IIIs, and even then it would have latency issues resulting in lag in a players game. Cloud computing could be used for multiplayer servers, or calculations like in the new Sim City where the world economy is calculated on servers but everything to do with the game is done on the PC, but it can not be more than that - at least not without utterly horrid latency issues.

 

[chozo_hybrid]

I took it as a pretty big f%$k you when most of what they advertised, like the sports etc and netflix aren't available here and going digital as well as relying on cloud stuff would chew up bandwidth like you wouldn't believe. Going all digital is great for those with unlimited access, but for those that don't, it's not a selling point. Seems pretty anti consumer to me when you can stop people using what they bought when their net goes down.

The kinect 2 can't be used as a selling point because not enough have got to use it to see if it's miles better then the older one, which is pretty rubbish.

 

[krazykidd]

Thank you for this thread . I'm serious . I'm glad that threads like this pop up every week . It means that no one will forget the autrocities that microsoft tried to pull . If people kept quiet , we might actually forget , and i sure as hell don't want to forget potentially getting screwed over.

 

[Teoes]

Thank you for this thread . I'm serious . I'm glad that threads like this pop up every week . It means that no one will forget the autrocities that microsoft tried to pull . If people kept quiet , we might actually forget , and i sure as hell don't want to forget potentially getting screwed over.

Good point. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it!

 

[DeadlyYellow]

That's great. Now give me reasons why I should actually buy it.

 

[Vivi22]

You know what got old quite a while ago? People constantly trying to tell me how to feel about Microsofts Xboneheaded moves.

-Because the original policy wasn't anti-consumer at all... MS didn't NEED to add more DRM; the piracy rates on consoles are relatively low thanks to physical DRM on discs, they were planning to make everything digital, and thus required digital DRM similar to Steam's check-in. Of course Steam's check-in is something like once every 2 weeks, but Steam doesn't let you sell your games or share them with your friends.

A console which adds a 24 hour check in despite Microsoft knowing that a large portion of 360's have never been online is anti-consumer since they know there are millions of people who don't want to, or can't, have their console online and they can't buy the XBone. There are also a large number of places, including inside of first world countries, in which internet connections are either too inconsistent, or too restrictive, to make forcing customers to be online unfeasible. So yes, policies which do not actually take into account the needs of your customers, or the realities of their internet infrastructure are, by definition, anti-consumer.

Not to mention that there are any number of ways in which they could have implemented some DRM features that would have been far less restrictive, and not required a console to go online every single day. Never mind the fact that DRM is a poor solution to a problem which has largely been exaggerated and pushed by publishers as a scapegoat whenever they need to explain why they do anything that takes away from the rights of their consumers.

-How is no one excited about having modding on a console?

The knowledge that you can develop for the XBone using an XBone was a very recent announcement. And unless I missed something, it does not guarantee that we'll be able to install and play with game mods. In fact, the ability to mod games on the console would be a direct threat to any DRM measures they put in place, so unless they've said otherwise and I just missed it, I wouldn't hold my breath on this one if I were you.

-Most ppl see the Kinect 2 as a selling point, since multimedia features are cool for ppl who do things outside of game, and I can't be the only one who wants to see motion controlled hardcore games, which the K2 is capable of delivering. It can even read your emotions and change gameplay according to that...

Most people don't see Kinect 2 as a selling point since motion control, particularly that provided by the Kinect, is completely and utterly inferior to an actual controller when it comes to controlling hardcore games. And until I see a company make use of it in an interesting and actually revolutionary way, being able to read emotions screams pure gimmick to me. The only marginally interesting thing the Kinect 2 could do is allow every console to enable voice commands and voice chat, but the former is accomplished just as well with a headset, and the latter may not be a selling point to anyone who actually played online on the 360.

-MS has invested in cloud computing, which may not be a HUGE thing at the present moment, though it was important enough for Titanfall to be a Microsoft exclusive, but in years to come it will pay off and help future proof the console. Yes Sony also has some form of cloud storage but nothing close to the scale of Windows Azure.

Cloud computing will not future proof the console (their claims it can quadruple the XBone's power were outright lies), nor has Microsoft demonstrated that they're actually doing anything with it the other guys aren't. Honestly, anyone hoping for cloud computing to amount to much of anything is deluding themselves by buying into Microsoft's hype machine. They would love people to think that because most people don't actually know what cloud computing is, but it's not something that's going to suddenly revolutionize the way games are made and played. And in actual gameplay terms, there's not really anything it can do which isn't already possible with the standard game server setups that have been part of gaming for more than 15 years now as far as I know.

 

[Mid Boss]

OP, you've already made this thread before...
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.820124-WTH-at-all-the-X1-hate

-Also, I work for Microsoft, because ppl who disagree with the internet hivemind don't exist.

It wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft actually do pay people to join popular gaming forums, to spread more Xbone marketing spiel, and to 'dissuade' people from hating it.

There have been a few of these people on this forum. (Though funnily enough, they always seem to end up getting themselves banned.)

Oh Microsoft totally does do this. There was a REALLY obvious one on this Jimquisition http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7358-Xbox-One-out-of-Ten if you scroll down through the comments there's a Candice Lenae. A blatantly fake facebook account. The account was started the day she posted and her picture is a stock photo. She/he/it goes to great lengths to expound on why the xbox 1 is amazing and you should stop thinking and go buy it.

In subsequent videos there were a few other people. Not as blatantly obvious, but you could still tell they were paid to be there. Particularly because these paid shills aren't allowed to get into heated arguments so when you pick a fight with them (and I did. Oh, God, I did) they vanish instead of taking up the challenge like any blind fan boy happily would have. That and when their facebook page says they're in the "gaming industry" it's not hard to put 2 and 2 together.

That being said, I don't beleive our OP, theuprising, is a paid shill. If you look at his profile, he's posted 41 times and his "health bar" is already in the red. Companies don't want their defense associated with someone who's known around the forums to be an ass hole. So, this man is blatantly not a paid shill.

 

[SquidSponge]

-The original policy was anti-consumer. Abhorrently so. I should not need to explain why, just look at any other post in any one of these threads. Also, stop comparing to Steam - Valve do not hold a monopoly on the platform and go to great pains to maintain a good reputation with their customer base. Also, Steam's DRM policies are vaguely anti-consumer too (albeit much less so), the difference being Valve do a better job of making up for it.

-Your conclusion for the second point is invalidated by the initial assertion being false - more people view the Kinect 2 as a negative than a positive, therefore "most" people do not see it as a selling point. Primarily because it's hardwired into the console and drives the price up (by a whopping 25% I think? Either way, US$100 is non-trivial dent to have in one's wallet). Furthermore, some people are the paranoid type and don't want machines (especially ones that require/encourage constant/near-constant internet connection) reading their emotions or listening to their words (or counting the number of people in the room so additional license costs for movies can be added in the future). The K2 has potential, it could be great, but make it an optional extra peripheral and then we'll talk.

-Modding on a console! Woo. It's almost as if I have another platform for that, one with a great UI that gives me complete freedom over mods. It's nice, I suppose, and it's better than Sony's offering (or lack thereof) in this department, but suffice it to say I prefer manual installation over, for example, Steam workshop.

-Yay for clouds. Few people are clear on what "The Cloud" is, plus every bugger and his mother has some form of "cloud" at this point, therefore it's not a selling point. Its scale, and how it compares to the competition, matters little unless one of them is prohibitively small.

-Well, since you yourself raised the issue - obsessive support of Xbone, no avatar, only 41 posts (37 of which are in pro-Xbone, console wars or MS-related threads), only 3 badges (all of which are zero-effort, and 2 of which were generated entirely by other peoples' actions). Also, a cursory glance at OP's post history reveals at least 2 distinct styles of writing (one that uses contractions like "you" -> "u", and another that is fully literate) that could be indicative of multiple authors. I'll let people draw whatever conclusion they will from that.


Bear in mind that some of the policies proposed by the Xbone are not terrible right now, and some of the resistance stems from those who possess basic forward-thinking abilities and don't like the precedents being set. The arrogance projected by MS over the past year has also harmed their cause immensely (see "deal with it", "we have an offline console", etc) and generally gets peoples' backs up. At risk of sounding glib, "pride cometh before a fall".

While I think the XBone needs to die horribly as a lesson to the world not to dump on their customers (not that I think that will happen - people on the whole are idiots who won't research properly before even large purchases), it's time to let it stand on its own feet. Let people vote with their wallets now.

These threads are counter-productive. By trying (in vain) to persuade everyone that the XBone is not a steaming pile of crap, you're only reopening wounds and hardening their resolve. Wait, you don't work for Sony do you?

 

[Hero in a half shell]

Nobody seems to have explained exactly why "cloud computing" is so awesome. It's starting to sound like a buzz word. This is awesome! Why is it awesome? Because The Cloud, that's why!

Fun fact: Cloud Computing is not actually a real term. Distributed Computing is a real term.

Cloud Computing doesn't mean anything, it doesn't have an established definition beyond a loose relation with Distributed Computing. You can call quite literally anything that has some small link to Distributed Computing to be Cloud Computing.

Of course, Distributed Computing doesn't sound like it's worth millions of dollars. Cloud Computing does.

I'm most excited about HP's new cloud:


They have all the G's.

Personally, Microsoft hasn't done anything in a while to warrant hate for the Xbox One, but the communication at the beginning was disastrous, and the statements from the company executives were so ass backwards they were just insulting.

They did not handle this well at all, and there are still huge gaps in our knowledge of how exactly the Xbox One will work, not to mention how it was supposed to work before the reversal of various policies.
Add to that all the "Dashboard is designed for advertisements" and "peripherals must use special Microsoft brand only connections" crap that they most recently spilled out of their mouthholes and I wouldn't be touching it with a Wiimote tied to a brush shaft.

 

[Alexi089]

You're right OP. Microsoft have managed to bring us a controlling, paranoid, money grabbing girl/ boy friend in video game console form, and that's quite an accomplishment in itself.

Not to mention all the great experience we'll get operating and managing the 'features' of this obnoxious box of convolution; that we can put to good use sorting out our insurance and internet banking necessities. I feel like we should be charged a premium for the life lessons taught to us by this Cuntish Bank Manager Simulator 2013. I wonder if Microsoft have thought of that (silly me, of course they have).

Seriously though, what was supposed to happen if you unplug Your XBone for a week? Do Microsoft have it recalled and assessed for Stockholm Syndrome. And does the always on Kinect double as a home security system? Is this included under Gold Membership, or is there a new Platinum level?

£500 is simply too much for a door stop not made of diamonds.

I'm out of jokes... for now.

 

[wild0061]

How much is microsoft paying people to create these threads? I mean is it a lot? Am I missing out on some easy dough?

Why is it that the only xbone threads I've seen in the last couple of days have been "Don't hate Xbone" threads?

No one was talking about the xbone until you say stop hating it.

I believe it's called Guerilla marketing, pay some agency to go places and make discussion where there is none.

Whilst the backlash against the Xbone must have frightened Microsoft, the total silence about it now must be deafening. It's more expensive than the PS4 and so far there is little else to differentiate the two (beside a gimmicky camera thing), but the little there is leans in Sony's favour. Interest in it has dropped and won't go back up until launch week, which for Microsoft Pr must be terrifying.

It's impressive the number of threads about Xbone that have popped up from newly minted accounts that talk about nothing but Xbone. It's not suspicious at all either...

OP, you've already made this thread before...
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.820124-WTH-at-all-the-X1-hate

-Also, I work for Microsoft, because ppl who disagree with the internet hivemind don't exist.

It wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft actually do pay people to join popular gaming forums, to spread more Xbone marketing spiel, and to 'dissuade' people from hating it.

There have been a few of these people on this forum. (Though funnily enough, they always seem to end up getting themselves banned.)

Oh Microsoft totally does do this. There was a REALLY obvious one on this Jimquisition http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7358-Xbox-One-out-of-Ten if you scroll down through the comments there's a Candice Lenae. A blatantly fake facebook account. The account was started the day she posted and her picture is a stock photo you can find with a fast search. She/he/it goes to great lengths to expound on why the xbox 1 is amazing and you should stop thinking and go buy it.

In subsequent videos there were a few other people. Not as blatantly obvious, but you could still tell they were paid to be there. Particularly because these paid shills aren't allowed to get into heated arguments so when you pick a fight with them (and I did. Oh, God, I did) they vanish instead of taking up the challenge like any blind fan boy happily would have. That and when their facebook page says they're in the "gaming industry" it's not hard to put 2 and 2 together.

That being said, I don't beleive our OP, theuprising, is a paid shill. If you look at his profile, he's posted 41 times and his "health bar" is already in the red. Companies don't want their defense associated with someone who's known to be an ass hole on the forums. So, this man is blatantly not a paid shill.

It would a lot less sad if these threads were started by someone actually getting paid to do it by Microsoft, then it wouldn't just be someone blindly doing it for free when there are most probably companies/people out there doing the exact same thing for a reasonable amount of cash.