Wii U to be quickly outdated?

[rob_simple]

Wii had some of the best games this gen. Wii-U will follow the same path of innovative ideas and using the tech well to make good games. But, you hate on it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....Oh no, wait....AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

OT: I don't think anyone can say for certain how this thing is going to perform, just like no one could have properly predicted how massively the Wii would sell (although I'd remind you all that high sales are not indicative of quality.)

My worry for Nintendo is that this is going to be another Virtual Boy: with the Wii they had something that was a bit novel but still easy to get to grips with which is what made it so appealing to the dipshit casuals brigade and lifers, alike.

The Wii U, on the other hand, may just have too many fancy bits and and bobs to appeal to that broad audience beyond trying it in a shop and, honestly, I think most people that game seriously still just want to pick up a normal controller and play a game without having to jog around the room or do backflips while popping their shoulder out the socket pretending to be a real boxer.

Only time will tell, I suppose.

 

[yunabomb]

All I see in this thread is literally "duurrrr graphics."

But didn't you know that graphics and processing power are the only forms of innovation in video games? And everyone wants to pay $600 for the best graphics when they're concerned about their job security, right?

I also love the attitude that so many people take towards casual games. I don't care whether anyone is interested in casual games. What I don't get is how hardcore gamers take the "casual games aren't real games" to the point where they ignore how profitable casual games can be. Likewise, they also ignore how many casual games have been very innovative.

Now that I am done rolling my eyes at ignorant hardcore gamers, I'll address a possible issue for the Wii U: the casual game market is very different now compared to when the Wii released. This could affect MS and Sony's efforts to court the casual market as well.

 

[Something Amyss]

People said the exact same thing about the Gamecube...

You mean the last place console of that generation?

 

[Z of the Na'vi]

I'm incredibly disheartened to realize that the Wii U is the first Nintendo system that I have absolutely zero interest in obtaining. Both the Gamcube and the Wii I just had to have, which I don't regret one bit.

The Wii U on the other hand...yeah, just no. Sorry Nintendo, I don't know what you think you're doing, but it isn't working for me anymore.

 

[StriderShinryu]

All I see in this thread is literally "duurrrr graphics."

EDIT: The haters, I mean. Forgot to specify there's actually intelligent debate going on between nonhaters.

Mask it under feigned intelligence if you like, it's all the same.

"The Next PS and Xbox will render it obsolete due to technological limitations."

So rather than look at all the possible gameplay applications of the whole tablet controller thing, and of course, the amazing success of the DS, and how touchscreen gimmicks can actually be downright amazing if used well (and not shamelessly/needlessly shoehorned in.) You guys are looking PURELY at GRAPHICS.

As you note yourself, games are expensive to make. Choices have to be made at some point in the development process. Once the PS4 and 720, or whatever they call them, are released there will, like it or not, be a new standard. Very few developers are going to look at the WiiU, being an underpowered system with only maybe a third of the market share and a uniquely demanding conrol scheme, and choose to develop their games for it. At best it will get watered down ports with tacked on controller based gimmicks. At worst it will be ignored. It's a little short sighted of you to trumpet anti WiiU sentiment as being pirely about graphics when it just takes a second to look at the bigger picture.

The question posed by the OP was "Will the WiiU be quickly outdated?" and it's pretty clear that it will be.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

I think it'll be the wii over again,

What does that mean? The one that makes the most money, the most critically acclaimed and popular? The console that brought gaming to many people who would never have otherwise tried it? That revolutionised "casual gaming" and forced Microsoft and Sony to copy it?

they'll release it at an inevitably high price because of those tablet thingies,

Errr...the Wii was and has always been the cheapest console of this generation, and has invariably sold the most as well. It is also the only one that has turned a profit on hardware sales.

a few casual gamers will buy it with a couple of games and then in about 6 months time when it goes down in price the rest will,

You have no idea here. The Wii was constantly sold out and had incredibly high demand for over a year after release, at least in the UK. After 15 months, you still couldn't reliably walk into a store to buy one.

most of the hardcore audience wont buy it,

True, but many, many will, because...

the 720 and Ps4 will get released,

They will be a long time coming. Microsoft will come first, hopefully with a better name too, but still a long way away. Sony will be years yet. They invested too much in the PS3, came very late to the party last time and have lost so much money on it, gambling on blu ray.

depending on how ms/sony handle them most 360 owners will buy a 720 and most ps3 owners will buy the ps4,

True. Fanboyism and brand loyalty to a corporation is a very strange thing to watch.

the ps4 and 720 will have much higher hardware capability and most developers will focus on those,

True in the first part of your statement, not strictly true in the second. They will have higher capabilities but they will cost more and thus sell less. Considering how much of a headstart Nintendo will have on them this time, they're going to greatly lose out.

the casual gamers wont buy many wii-u games and it'll bite nintendo in the ass

Incorrect. They will sell many, by the millions. It will further extend the shelf life of existing Wii games which are still playable, have an extensive online store, add other features like eBooks and media and further, with it's processing power it will attract AAA development.

 

[Squidbulb]

Nintendo are probably getting a huge head start, which will definitely help sales.
Other than that, I doubt it'll sell. The new controller seems unique and all, but it seems that it'll mostly be used for an extra map screen or an inventory. Hopefully the motion controls won't be forgotten, as the MotionPlus never did reach its full potential.
At least it's better than the 3DS. Part of the appeal was its unique controls, which more than made up for its low graphical capabilities. I loved the touch screen, but with the 3DS it seems everyone has forgotten about it. Now the 3DS doesn't really have that uniqueness. The Wii U at least has the new controller, though I suspect it'll get old quick.
That, and I think Sony and Microsoft may have learned their lessons. I don't think they can succeed any more by just boosting their power once again. They need to spice it up a little. I don't think there's a huge market for new consoles any more.

 

[Serving UpSmiles]

I disagree with the Wii U not having any staying power, It actually gives way to third party developers to be creative and experiment new ideas, on a less demanding console. the next generation will hardly have any games developed for it, which will let the Wii U flourish.

The Wii let third party developers be creative for cheaper too but they still abandoned it. What makes the WiiU different?

The lack of graphic and online capabilities on the Wii hindered its chances as a hardcore console, this was the time when everyone was focusing on online multiplayer and the Wii just didn't deliver.

The Wii U is a different kind of animal, being released with online capabilities such as friends lists and Miiverse it will succeed in that aspect. I think you misinterpreted my point, It is isn't about creating games cheaper (how do you think the amount of shovelware arrived on Wii?) But developing for a console that will have a brand new install base, while not being time consuming for developers because they already have experience with the technology unlike the PS4 and Xbox 720 which will have games that take several years and large amounts of money to produce.

My point is the Wii U will be introducing innovative ideas, while being satisfactory in the graphics and online depart something people rave about when buying a new console.

 

[D Moness]

Nintendo is doing something different, get your shit together and stop complaining.

Do not forget that this is the escapist and a lot of people just blindly parrot what Yahtzee says. So it is cool to hate on Nintendo.

I am just hoping that lego city will be a launch game

 

[ToastiestZombie]

Nintendo is doing something different, get your shit together and stop complaining.

Do not forget that this is the escapist and a lot of people just blindly parrot what Yahtzee says. So it is cool to hate on Nintendo.

I am just hoping that lego city will be a launch game

Yep, it sure does seem like Yahtzee's opinion is the one the Escapist has overall. He says "Nintendo's not innovative!" and even after the fact that he's wrong the Escapist just follows him and thinks they're not innovative. Just an example I thought up.

 

[Epona]

I disagree with the Wii U not having any staying power, It actually gives way to third party developers to be creative and experiment new ideas, on a less demanding console. the next generation will hardly have any games developed for it, which will let the Wii U flourish.

The Wii let third party developers be creative for cheaper too but they still abandoned it. What makes the WiiU different?

The lack of graphic and online capabilities on the Wii hindered its chances as a hardcore console, this was the time when everyone was focusing on online multiplayer and the Wii just didn't deliver.

The Wii U is a different kind of animal, being released with online capabilities such as friends lists and Miiverse it will succeed in that aspect. I think you misinterpreted my point, It is isn't about creating games cheaper (how do you think the amount of shovelware arrived on Wii?) But developing for a console that will have a brand new install base, while not being time consuming for developers because they already have experience with the technology unlike the PS4 and Xbox 720 which will have games that take several years and large amounts of money to produce.

My point is the Wii U will be introducing innovative ideas, while being satisfactory in the graphics and online depart something people rave about when buying a new console.

That's what this topic is about, the WiiU being quickly outdated once the competition releases their next gen consoles. The WiiU will be like he Wii.

Ah whatever, I don't care. I won't be surprised if the WiiU fails, it literally has nothing to offer.

 

[Xanthious]

I think it's odd people saying that Nintendo is going to have a head start. I guess if by head start you mean they are just now catching up with the current generation of consoles that already have one foot out the door then, sure, I suppose they have a head start indeed. This is a current gen console being introduced at the ass end of this console generation's cycle.

Ignoring for a second that it's going to be damn near obsolete before it ever sells a single unit the other question that begs to be answered is just who in the hell are they trying to sell this to beyond the hardcore Nintendo crowd? The casual market? Those people who flocked to the Wii largely have moved on and probably have little interest in the Wii-U. The hardcore market? I fail to see how having a launch line up that is highlighted by a couple of first party titles and a few third party titles that will have already been out for a year or so is really going to drive the core crowd to buy this.

I think at the end of the day the Wii-U will be a case of too little too late. I just don't think that there is going to be all that much of a market for this thing at launch and by the time Sony and Microsoft make the actual next gen consoles the Wii-U will find it's self right where the Wii is today. And that is being too underpowered to handle anything beyond shitty ports for third party titles and relying almost solely on first party titles to get the system over.

 

[yunabomb]

Even then, Yahtzee has said that he supports Nintendo's focus on changing gameplay rather than only focusing on graphics. Interesting how the escapist community doesn't broadcast those sentiments.

 

[Epona]

People said the exact same thing about the Gamecube...

You mean the last place console of that generation?

Actually the Dreamcast was the last place console of that generation.

The gamecube only sold 2 million less than the original xbox and made a profit on every console unlike Microsoft's $4 BILLION loss in that generation.

http://venturebeat.com/2011/11/14/making-of-the-xbox-1/

I would take profit and 2 million less sales over a $4 billion loss.

This is what I call moving the goal post.

- Dreamcast was discontinued before the Gamecube even released.
- We aren't counting profit here. We are counting sales. I don't care how much Nintendo/Microsoft made/lost, I am a consumer.

 

[Epona]

People said the exact same thing about the Gamecube...

You mean the last place console of that generation?

Actually the Dreamcast was the last place console of that generation.

The gamecube only sold 2 million less than the original xbox and made a profit on every console unlike Microsoft's $4 BILLION loss in that generation.

http://venturebeat.com/2011/11/14/making-of-the-xbox-1/

I would take profit and 2 million less sales over a $4 billion loss.

This is what I call moving the goal post.

- Dreamcast was discontinued before the Gamecube even released.
- We aren't counting profit here. We are counting sales. I don't care how much Nintendo/Microsoft made/lost, I am a consumer.

It is still part of the generation.

You are wrong. You just want to ignore the dreamcast as it proves you wrong.

Accept this fact and move on.

No, the Dreamcast sold the least because it died early. It died before the Gamecube or the Xbox was released. I would say it never directly competed with the Gamecube or the Xbox.

How about this, of the consoles that actually survived until the end of the last generation, the Gamecube was in last place only beating a very shortlived Sega console. Does that make you feel better about the Gamecubes sales?

BTW, I liked the Gamecube better than the Wii.

 

[Squidbulb]

I think I'm starting to change my mind a little. I want the Wii U to do well, because it's clear that Nintendo are actually trying to be original. Their E3 presentation was the only one that interested me at all, although seeing two more Mario games already didn't make me happy. I'd much rather have Pikmin 3 than Halo 521 or Call of Duty/Battlefield/Medal of Honour 5000 (I'm not even going to pretend I can tell the difference).
I like what Nintendo are doing, though I'm still not sure whether I'll buy the Wii U, and I'm not going to bother with the 3DS until more games come along (Although, Luigi's Mansion and Paper Mario are almost enough to sell it for me).
I do wish Nintendo would try something different with their games, but I'm not going to act like no-one else is, and they're definitely doing a good job with their consoles.

 

[Something Amyss]

Actually the Dreamcast was the last place console of that generation.

The gamecube only sold 2 million less than the original xbox and made a profit on every console unlike Microsoft's $4 BILLION loss in that generation.

http://venturebeat.com/2011/11/14/making-of-the-xbox-1/

I would take profit and 2 million less sales over a $4 billion loss.

Still not exactly much of a defense.