Wii U to be quickly outdated?

[Davroth]

I don't have to endear myself. And it is you who is telling me that I should trust this article over everything else.

It's convenience to tell an outright lie you can called out on in a few month? And under your own, well known and reasonably respected name no less? Doesn't sound very convenient to me.

Why would they hate Nintendo? Because Nintendo used to be a very, very demanding company that asked a lot from their third party developers (and as I said before, the Wii made cross platform releases impossible without considerable effort, which didn't happen) and more importantly, a company that could always rest easy on their own IPs, because those always sold well no matter what. Look at developer interviews from the high times of the Wii. They are less the charming.

And how will it bite them in the ass? They are protected by their anonymity.

As for Alien Colonial Marines.. you can't be serious. You are telling me that a few month more development time is enough to make a triple A game look better on inferior hardware? How does that make sense?

Nintendo Wii: amazing financial success. Nintendo DS: Amazing financial success and widespread support. Nintendo 3DS: Really too soon to tell. But the price drop seems to work fine. Only time will tell.

So, you look at how successful Nintendo has been since 2006, and your conclusion is that they make dumb business decisions. I don't understand how you come to that conclusion. And just because they had a crummy business year for the first time in years doesn't mean they lost their business sense all of the sudden.

And you do realize that engines have certain minimum specs, and that they made it clear that the Unreal Engine 4 wont be running on Xbox 360 and PS3. So if that's the truth, that would mean the Wii U in fact is more powerful then those two, and by a considerable margin.

I made it clear, nothing Randy said contradicted the anonymous source that this was an underpowered system. All he said was next-generation, which after Wii is established can mean dick all of hardware capability. And the WiiU version will apparently be in development for longer.

What you say about Nintendo is true, but no rationale for two independent developers to tell corroborating lies to gamesindustrybiz and not complain about those GENUINE issues. Yes, look at the interviews at high times of the Wii, when they are mad they say what they are mad about, not lie about the console saying it is bad where it isn't.

"And how will it bite them in the ass? They are protected by their anonymity."

When the journalist find out they've been lied to they won't. They don't like being lied to, they'll publish or just send a letter to Nintendo saying exactly who said this shit.

PS3 is on paper superior hardware, but it is well established how more development time you can get better performance out of the 360. Compare PS3 and 360 versions of Bayonetta.

You've got a short memory. Gamecube hugely underperformed as did Gameboy Advance. There have been changes in Nintendo heirarchy if I am not mistaken and they are known for taking unusual risks.

No what they are doing is NOT dumb. They could very easily rip off millions of people as long as they put on their rose-tinted glasses and buy into any small advantage the WiiU has. But only if everyone if a lot of people buy into hyoe and get something crap, but that wouldn't happen in this industry:

Oh wait, no. If you can get 20+ million people to buy into CoD you can get similar numbers to buy into an overpriced 360 clone (Wii U)

"And you do realize that engines have certain minimum specs, and that they made it clear that the Unreal Engine 4 wont be running on Xbox 360 and PS3."

Got a source on this. Because that sounds wrong.

Okay, so now you are claiming that Gearbox gives Nintendo some kind of special treatment, for a game that is a cross platform release over 3 consoles and PC. They must pay handsomely with that money that they don't have to make a proper next gen console, according to you.

And several developers have come forward and said that working on the Wii U dev kit is very comfortable and allows for seamless ports. It makes no sense for them to be lying either.

What does that have to do with a short memory? They launched two ridiculously successful systems since then. Looks like whatever they changed worked, because they did pretty well.

And now you are harping on that they "deceive" consumers. They don't. We will know exactly what's in the console before it launches, and if they are really insane, and do what you suggest they will, then the launch will tank. Rightfully so.

And if they want to sell this thing as a true next gen console, they will have the data to do back that. They aim at hardcore gamers, that's what they said over and over again. And hardcore gamers check stuff like that before they buy a product.

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/02/unreals-next-engine-will-need-a-console-at-least-10x-more-powerful-than-xbox-360/

There. They said the next generation of consoles needs to be 10x more powerful than the Xbox 360 to be able to run the engine. Though that's mostly based on the number of FLOPS the Xbox 360 can handle.


So yeah, they didn't scam anyone with the Wii, they wont scam anyone with the Wii U. Everyone knew what they were getting with the Wii, and everyone will know what they get with the Wii U.

 

[dragongit]

I feel this sort of discussion will carry on for a few months alone with the Wii U not seeing a release at least untill the holliday season, with no sign of the other two. It's only been a week since E3 and this debate has already gotten fairly heated.

 

[Kouen]

Meh,

Again I am not interested in a Nintendo Console. That said I could be considered a hipster in that I was hating on Nintendo well before the Wii... Half way through the Gamecube actually.

I Used to love my Nintendo 64 and Gameboy Color, and even my Gameboy advance.. sure you had to sit almost on top of a light source to see it but there you go.

What turned me away from Nintendo all started with the Gamecube line up, when you think back on it had a handful of good titles and both the XBox and PS2 had a 10 to 1 Ratio of good games to bad games in comparison.

Then the DS Hit, which was a (to me) N64 with 2 Screens one being a touch screen. I decided to get the machine and actually didn't like it much after launch. the touch screen was kind of gimmicky but could have been much cooler and I hated the buttons on the unit. the only developers to take decent advantage of what the NDS could do was Nintendo with few exceptions with the likes of Project Rub by Sega. So I went and got myself a PSP instead and have actually been happy with it ever since.

When the Wii was announced I listened with interest but as soon as they started talking about a little remote you have to wiggle around to make things happen I lost interest. I just couldn't take it seriously... mental images of me wiggling a white stick in the air to punch "Sub-Zero" in the face made me face palm. aside from like one game I never really wanted to bother with the Wii, and that said one game I was able to play through emulation easy enough (House of the Dead: Overkill if you was curious)

This console to me looks again like the Wii. Trailing behind with the tech (The Wii being not that much more advanced than the Xbox 1 and this one not being that much better than the 360), Will have the near subliminal messaging "lets add a part of the console name to the title" -ness to it (Advance, 64, Wii, super come to mind), and it feels like they was all like "Yo dawg we heard you like Nintendo! So we mixed your DS with a Wii so you can play portable while on the TV!"

Then again maybe this is just all like what the boss says on Dilbert "The Secret to marketing is doing what you did before even though you know it wont work!"

Sure it will get the initial base in place and maybe some people will derp enough to go and buy half there games again even though they own it on there PS3/PC/360. But again like last time the WiiU will be relegated to the "Cut down spin off versions of the cool versions on more capable consoles"

What may hurt Nintendo more is outside of the Zelda / Pokemon / Mario Addicts the console will be promising at the start and fail to deliver later, as Nintendo has always been when you think about it since the N64 a Secondary console. When you ask people what consoles do they own most of the time there like "I Got a Xbox 360, oh and a Wii"

Don't get me wrong, Tech specs don?t make a good game but if you fall too far behind your going to just get cut down versions.

I'm not a Nintendo "Hater" per say, I want them to do well in fact! but I cant see things ending well with the "we must have gimmicks with our consoles" mentality they got stuck in.

if they release a "Normal" console like everyone else with a "Normal" controller and a spec sheet of a console that could have been produced 5 years ago. I'll be happy to take a look! but until that time I just cant take them seriously.

Please also note, while I am going to get flack regardless from the disclaimer from Pro-Nintendo people, Realize that this is just MY personal opinion and people telling me "Nintendo are trying to innovate/revolutionize/do something different" is not going to sway my opinion. I Hope Nintendo do well, but what there doing right now is not for me and as such I personally will not buy into it.

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

OK OT, the problem is that you are thinking of the Wii U as a next gen console, when it is really the proper entry into THIS console generation by Nintendo.

That is a patently ridiculous statement and you should be embarrassed to have made it.

The truth is, the WiiU doesn't need to be as powerful, because of nintendo's core market. Furthermore, we really don't need a new console generation, as no one has really reached the limits of the current hardware.
but because people will buy it, they make it. and then we will have more games with no content stuffed to the gills with frivolous aesthetics designed to mask poor game design

 

[invadergir]

I disagree with the Wii U not having any staying power, It actually gives way to third party developers to be creative and experiment new ideas, on a less demanding console. the next generation will hardly have any games developed for it, which will let the Wii U flourish.

Developers and "experiment" in the same sentence. That's a bit of an oxymoron. Their primary purpose is there to make money, not elevate the bar of gaming. Its a sad statement on its own, but add to the fact that Nintendo is notoriously unfriendly to third party devs.

I predict a few iconic Nintendo reboots, many current gen ports, and a host of shovelware that specifically is created to exploit the tablet feature.

 

[Serving UpSmiles]

I disagree with the Wii U not having any staying power, It actually gives way to third party developers to be creative and experiment new ideas, on a less demanding console. the next generation will hardly have any games developed for it, which will let the Wii U flourish.

Developers and "experiment" in the same sentence. That's a bit of an oxymoron. Their primary purpose is there to make money, not elevate the bar of gaming. Its a sad statement on its own, but add to the fact that Nintendo is notoriously unfriendly to third party devs.

I predict a few iconic Nintendo reboots, many current gen ports, and a host of shovelware that specifically is created to exploit the tablet feature.

I know their pretty negative stance on indie games, but not third party developers, they usually make the big releases on their hardware such as the Ocarina of Time remake or Other M. Okay that was a bad example but you get what I mean.

Didn't Nintendo just promise they are going to focus on the hardcore audience more? something all third party developers are urning to make games for instead of more pointless shovelware?

Have some faith, Nintendo will deliver.

 

[Treblaine]

Credit bothers me because people are dumb enough to attribute false value with Nintendo and imitate them. How can there be any discussion about video games if there is at the centre of it a massive double-standard con.

No. The full spec sheets are not available in the store in comparison with the Gamecube and Original Xbox. It's enough that it's a "modern" and "current gen" system that it must be worth a lot of money.

Why are you ignoring EVERYTHING THAT I SAY! I give a detailed explanation of why Wii should not be considered a 7th gen console and how it's sales are irrelevant to the PS3 and 360... and you just parrot the same line as always.

So to refute that Nintendo is a rip off, you post a snide gif gloating about Nintendo printing money... right.

"You saying it over and over again won't change the fact."

Projecting much?

You have IGNORED every one of my points and gloated like a petty child.

You ignored my comparison with handhelds and the need to have 4 generations for the 4 handhelds using your logic. Game generations are based over time and not power. Anyway, I'm not ignoring your point, I just don't think it's valid and I have already discussed it ages ago while you keep copying it in. I'm not going to bother making new points if you won't, lordy lordy how many times have I seen that list of games from you.

How can I expect a rational conversation with someone who gets so worked up over people liking the Wii? Value is subjective, many may feel the Wii's value is fair due to the new gaming experience it offered. I could build a PC for £500-£600 that would be in excess of 3-4x more powerful than consoles yet you would not call them a con, would you?

Every console is a con if you compare it to building a PC, if I made a thread saying that console gaming was bullshit you would see many responses giving me a less than friendly response.

Sorry, we are talking home console generations, don't bring in portable consoles, it's a completely different design challenge and target audience. If we are talking about night vision scope generation, don't bring in similar but separate technology like generations of thermal scopes. That is why it is not valid, I gave an explanation. Now you just say "I just don't think it's valid" with no explanation, you immediately move on.

"How can I expect a rational conversation with someone who gets so worked up over people liking the Wii?"

Your straw man arguments won't work on me. My problem is not with people who merely like the Wii, my problem is with people acting like it is peer with 360/PS3 and that it has been priced appropriately.

"I could build a PC for £500-£600 that would be in excess of 3-4x more powerful than consoles yet you would not call them a con"

Of course not because THAT IS NOT MY ARGUMENT! My argument is the price for performance for Wii is atrocious in comparison to the competition and Nintendo only gets away with it by masquerading as being peer with PS3/360 rather than truly being closer to the Playstation 2.