Didn't you see the glass beads thing? Once it's done, it won't even install a moderate-size game on the base model.Daystar Clarion said:
Wii U's bricking if shut down during update.
- Thread starter Maxtro
- Start date
Recommended Videos
Thank you. I'm all for calling corporations out when they do something stupid or worse, malicious, but there's a reason Windows says not to turn your computer off while it's installing the updates. Although if the systems really are doing an autoshutdown in the middle of a firmware update, that's some massive incompetence right there.lacktheknack said:
Exius Xavarus said:
in reference to the auto off feature.. i find it useful since i use my ps3 as a movie player at night so I can sleep and i dont want my ps3 on all night long. so its not a tottally stupid feature. I have also upon occasion forgot my ps3 was on while i was gaming on my pc so im glad it could shut itself off then as well.
OT: well this sucks for anyone affected...not much else i can say or do about it
http://kotaku.com/5961662/dont-losebreak-your-wii-u-because-your-nintendo-network-account-is-tied-to-it This is where i read it, although I dont vouch for it being 100% true in the end (which is why I wrote apparently).D Moness said:
Incidently, a thing does not automatically become false just because there are no sources for it. Some healthy skepticism is always good, but things do happen even when humans are not there to document it.
To everyone saying stuff like "DURR CAPTAIN OBVIOUS DONT TURN IT OFF DURRRRR!!1!11!", just chill and read it again.
Yeah, shutting down your system while its updating, or even saving a file, is dumb. Not just a system but any other electronic device. But if the WiiU has indeed an auto turn off feature that kicks in after an hour, then it's not the customer's fault.
Now, I don't have a WiiU so I can't claim there's a way to turn off said feature. But what I do know is that the WiiU is less than a day old. People don't know much about it yet. And honestly, if I would have got one, I would have got the update ASAP before doing anything else just to have my console up and running. And I probably wouldn't have noticed that auto feature. And I probably would have left the console alone while it updated the 5 freakin' GB required for the update!
And it probably would have been bricked because I wouldn't know my stupid WiiU can commit suicide.
Yeah, Nintendo would probably replace the console but there shouldn't be any need. When my TV died for no reason alone, I was pissed but I sent it back to the factory to get it fixed because it was juts bad luck. An isolated case. But when something like this happens...I don't know what to say.
Way to go, Nintendo. Way to set up the example for the next gen. What, jealous much of the PS3 or what?
Yeah, shutting down your system while its updating, or even saving a file, is dumb. Not just a system but any other electronic device. But if the WiiU has indeed an auto turn off feature that kicks in after an hour, then it's not the customer's fault.
Now, I don't have a WiiU so I can't claim there's a way to turn off said feature. But what I do know is that the WiiU is less than a day old. People don't know much about it yet. And honestly, if I would have got one, I would have got the update ASAP before doing anything else just to have my console up and running. And I probably wouldn't have noticed that auto feature. And I probably would have left the console alone while it updated the 5 freakin' GB required for the update!
And it probably would have been bricked because I wouldn't know my stupid WiiU can commit suicide.
Yeah, Nintendo would probably replace the console but there shouldn't be any need. When my TV died for no reason alone, I was pissed but I sent it back to the factory to get it fixed because it was juts bad luck. An isolated case. But when something like this happens...I don't know what to say.
Way to go, Nintendo. Way to set up the example for the next gen. What, jealous much of the PS3 or what?
Nope. There's failsafes.Kopikatsu said:
If you turn off the PS3 during an update, it'll corrupt the firmware for sure. It'll tell you so during boot and give you the option to reformat and reinstall. I don't know about the 360, but I'm going to assume it does something similar. There's never any guarantees, so if you're unlucky enough to power off during an important BIOS update or something, there's nothing anyone can do. Your system will be permanently bricked no matter what. But during 'normal' update processes, it should survive a shutdown during an update.
Even if the auto-shutdown isn't being disabled during updates, that should be easy enough to fix. Like with an update.
Oh.
Oh.
So, why don't we have a bunch of people rage at Apple for exactly the same thing regarding iPods and iPhones (I assume iPads as well, but no personal experience to verify). The 8GB iPod leaves you with ~6GB of storage for actual data after accounting for iOS, for example.Daystar Clarion said:I wasn't criticising you
Ninty advertised the consoles would have X amount of memory, but it turns out they don't have separate drives for the OS, so if you get an 8GB console, it's more like a 6GB console.
I disagree, assuming you don't hate Nintendoland. The premium model is 32GB and includes a charging cradle for the game pad (as opposed to just a cable) and Nintendoland as a pack in title for $50 more than the basic model. Nintendoland retails for $60. So you pay -$10 for 24GB of storage and a cradle. That's...certainly not bad.Kekkonen1 said:
Yeah, I suspect everyone will end up with a drive hooked to their Wii. I've got a spare 1TB drive that runs off USB power I'll hook to mine. The external I actually use on my PC is a StarTech InfoSafe in RAID 5 containing 4x WD30EFRX drives.Kekkonen1 said:
I assume they'll do like they did with the Wii and transfer the data between Wii Us/accounts when you send one in for service. Which covers everything but "stolen." I'm surprised with the whole Nintendo Network thing that they don't simply tie your purchases to your NN ID.Kekkonen1 said:
That feature is disabled during the update procedure. It's also disabled during Wii to Wii U data transfer.Beautiful End said:
Clearly, or you'd know what I said above. Patched mine and did the Wii transfer (both hour+ procedures) without touching it in any fashion while it was going on. This is literally someone going "It said to not shut the console down while this is happening, so I'm going to shut the console down while this is happening." I feel for anyone who has a power outage mid-update though, but I'm pretty sure that'll be covered by warranty.Beautiful End said:
You can, it's in the system settings menu. You can also change how long it will sit idle before powering down.Beautiful End said:
That's more or less what I did. What's shocking is that every goddamned game had a lengthy patch on release day. Or at least Nintendoland, Assassins Creed III, and New Super MarioBros. U all did.Beautiful End said:
What really would have happened instead of your console committing suicide is that it would have all worked just fine (though taking it's sweet time), barring you manually shutting down the console, unplugging it, or having a power outage during the time that it warns you specifically not to shut off the console.
You'll note that the spate of people who actually have bricked consoles in the comments on the linked article all have something in common -- either they had a power outage or someone unplugged it. No one has claimed that their console self-bricked due to the auto-power off feature.Beautiful End said:
The trouble is the update is huge so there is plenty of time while your console is vulnerable for your power to go out or an ignorant family member switches it off or something. Even for people who will never ever intentionally turn off their console, shit does happen.Mr.Mattress said:
Not so much the bricking up if interrupted during the install, it's the fact it auto-shuts down after a small period of time. 5GB download? Jeez, that seems a bit much (maybe because my internet sucks) if you're not constantly checking back on it.
Rustled jimmies aside, it'll get fixed... sometime. Can't wait to see if the games are any good, though.
Rustled jimmies aside, it'll get fixed... sometime. Can't wait to see if the games are any good, though.
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2012/11/09/wii-us-scary-automatic-shutoff-featureTheKasp said:
Default setting is one hour, and apparently it doesn't change during the install, meaning if you're doing other things, or forget, and it auto-shuts down, you're fucked!
That being said, you can change it but I bet most won't bother to.
How many Firmware updates are over 5gigs? Even with a fairly decent internet connection, you're looking at at least an hour to download all that + the install time. Not to mention, the Wii-U itself is programmed to shut down if left idle DURING THE UPDATE. They basically programmed the Wii-U to commit suicide.lacktheknack said:
You can try to paint it as a smear campaign all you want, but the fact exists that there's a non-negligible number of bricked Wii-Us sitting out there because Nintendo released a giant update on day 1 for a system that, by default, will shut itself off during a long update.
Additionally, your stance is one that is paving the way for the exploitative, anti-consumer practices and poor quality that we're seeing in the gaming industry. Oh the machine doesn't work through no fault of your own? Well just pay for shipping to replace it. So a $350 console now becomes about $400 because the developer did something stupid, but we don't blame their obvious bad development choice, it's the users fault that their power/internet went down or something else went wrong - they should have been prepared for such contingencies by having a back-up generator or hard-line internet connection straight to the source instead of the machine having a fail-safe.
Hmm, maybe I am wrong. Judging by the comments from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmtj5CaSsOU it seems that the timer is turned off during the firmware installation.TheKasp said:
But the first post of http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?p=62435065 says that it still shuts down. Though, that might just be assumptions as well.
Not sure now, but I'm probably wrong.
Thanks for the link.Kekkonen1 said:
Well the "good" news is that it is for now. Which is weird since nintendo is planning for people to be able to view their user account on other systems (smartphones/pc's etc). Might be a firmware release somewhere in the future. till weird that even though it is tied to a user account that account is tied to your console(gimmie ms option any day where you can download your profile on any x-box
Nothing against you but i prefer a link to claims. People are far to easy presenting opinions as fact when it comes to new consoles.