Will androids ever be considered as humans?

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Czargent Sane

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you know, people compare this issue to racism, gay marriage, and whatever other political issues they feel like arguing, but frankly, I do not see any of those issues having any chance of causing the world's first war among two radically different forms of life and billions of casualties.

but, I dont need to worry, I'm marrying a female robot. problem solved
 

Dango

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Nope, because for something to be considered human it actually has to be human.
 

Miumaru

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I say we should just stick with Mass Effect and keep AI's illegal BEFORE the Geth are made. Sure we all want our own Cortana, but enough sci-fi has happened for us to hopefully not be dumb.
 

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i think your categorizing human rights along with being human. i believe that when such a day occurs where humans or no longer the only intelligent life around we may change "human rights" to "sentient rights" because all intelligent creatures, whether they be organic or otherwise, have the same rights as other sentient individuals. it does not matter how we are different but how we are the same
 

zehydra

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No, because a computer never has any original thought. In fact, it has NO THOUGHTS. Anybody who knows how to program will vouch for me with this. It can only be programmed to LOOK like it has thoughts.
 

Kingtrue

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Artificial Intelligence is bad enough. Give a machine sentient thought and say goodbye to the human race.
 

megamanenm

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zehydra said:
No, because a computer never has any original thought. In fact, it has NO THOUGHTS. Anybody who knows how to program will vouch for me with this. It can only be programmed to LOOK like it has thoughts.
And how do you know that? Are you from the future?
 

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Should that reality ever come true, there would definitely be conflict, I myself would be concerned due to an androids superior capabilities but overall, they should deserve the same rights as we do. However, I would consider them a separate, they have less limitations than a human being.
 

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thethingthatlurks said:
Do they dream of electric sheep?
I wonder what things they'll see, and if all those moments will be lost...
 

megamanenm

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fletch_talon said:
I think the question is why are we mass producing intelligent android human replicas which are no stronger or smarter than us?
Machines exist to make our lives easier, seems to me that if we wanted to make machines that are going to do all the work (I assume that is the androids' purpose) then it would be smarter to make them specifically for certain tasks.
A labouring robot should be strong and equipped with tools it requires, it shouldn't be as smart as a human, it should be programmed to do what it has to do.

Basically, no, I don't think robots should have the same rights as humans, but this is largely because I don't believe they'll ever reach human levels of intelligence/emotion/creativity and even if they could, we'd have no reason to create them as such.
Not every machine is created to help humans, I'm sure someone will try and create androids just because they can. It has already started actually, look at Japan.
 

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megamanenm said:
zehydra said:
No, because a computer never has any original thought. In fact, it has NO THOUGHTS. Anybody who knows how to program will vouch for me with this. It can only be programmed to LOOK like it has thoughts.
And how do you know that? Are you from the future?
No, obviously, but I understand what an android IS and what how a computer works, and if I'm correct in saying that an Android is a basically a humanoid operated by a computer, then it's not possible. You'd need something more than a computer. Any creativity created by a machine would either be self-damaging, useless or totally dangerous.
 

megamanenm

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zehydra said:
megamanenm said:
zehydra said:
No, because a computer never has any original thought. In fact, it has NO THOUGHTS. Anybody who knows how to program will vouch for me with this. It can only be programmed to LOOK like it has thoughts.
And how do you know that? Are you from the future?
No, obviously, but I understand what an android IS and what how a computer works, and if I'm correct in saying that an Android is a basically a humanoid operated by a computer, then it's not possible. You'd need something more than a computer. Any creativity created by a machine would either be self-damaging, useless or totally dangerous.
I'm not a programmer here, but can't you model a computer off the human brain?
 

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megamanenm said:
So let's say that someday androids will become commonplace. These androids will have human looks and movements indistinguishable from actual humans.
If this is true then I see no reason fro why they would be discriminated against. If these androids are literally indistinguishable from humans, then there is no reason they wouldn't be considered the equal of humans. We would be the same. A lot of people wouldn't tolerate androids being used as slaves and being discriminated against since they are nearly identical to humans. Granted there obviously would be some people who think they are undeserving of human rights since they are machines, but those people are merely using the same logic ( or rather, the absence of it) as racists.

However I don't think this will ever be an issue because creating a robot that thinks and acts exactly like a human would be the most utterly pointless thing our society could do. If we ever do make the mistake of creating AIs, I think they will still be intelligent but very different from us.

Kingtrue said:
Artificial Intelligence is bad enough. Give a machine sentient thought and say goodbye to the human race.
I have never understood this line of thinking and I can only assume it comes from watching to many scifi films. The idea that any intelligent robot will somehow be able to overthrow the entire human race makes no sense. You're assuming that the machines will want to wipe out humans and be powerful enough to do so, and if the former is true I doubt the latter would be.

megamanenm said:
Not every machine is created to help humans, I'm sure someone will try and create androids just because they can. It has already started actually, look at Japan.
Of course there are going to be people who make a few androids just for the sake of seeing if they can. But that doesn't mean that they would become commonplace in human society, as you suggested in the OP.
 

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megamanenm said:
So let's say that someday androids will become commonplace. These androids will have human looks and movements indistinguishable from actual humans.
No, we don't have the technology. But check it out - I've discovered inward singing!
 

megamanenm

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Marmooset said:
megamanenm said:
So let's say that someday androids will become commonplace. These androids will have human looks and movements indistinguishable from actual humans.
No, we don't have the technology. But check it out - I've discovered inward singing!
Now we don't, but I'm 99% we'll do in the future.
 

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If they were indistiguishable from humans, then I guess a shortage of workers won't be a problem. And they could fit in well. As long as America doesn't do this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GitS-Appleseed_Imperial_America_2030.png
 

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I don't have too much to contribute to this topic (and I apologize if someone has already mentioned my suggestions), but since this is a highly philosophical and hypothetical topic, it's not in my interest to think too hard about it. I actually wrote a bit of a research paper on the topic last semester, so I've given it extensive thought already and I can vouch it's kind of painful. My best advice is read Philip Dick's Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? and Isaac Asimov's i, Robot and come to your own conclusions about where the line of humanity is drawn.

My personal opinion is that, if robots/androids advance to the point where they can essentially mimic human thought, behavior, and action, then that's all that really matters and they may as well be human. Consider the Turing Test (wiki it for a better explanation); have a human interact with two subjects, one of which is human and one of which is a computer, with text message communication. If the human subject is unable to differentiate between the two, then the computer is said to have passed the test.

Consider, also, if we have our friend Bill who suddenly has a neuron in his brain go bad. We replace a neuron with a microchip. He is still human to us, just as the man with a pace maker or with glasses is still human to us. A week later, another neuron breaks down and is replaced with another microchip. This process repeats itself indefinitely. If we keep replacing neurons one-by-one, he would become progressively more and more android until he eventually becomes completely artificial. If all of this occurs with no ill effect on his performance or behavior (ie, if he continues to act the same, has the same general mood, and maintains the same relations with others), then from all outward appearances, as far as it would matter to us, he would remain the same old Bill and therefore the same old human.

What it boils down to is not whether robots actually are intelligent, or if they have human emotions, or anything like that. What matters is that they can give the image of having those qualities by properly acting and reacting as if they do. And it's really not unreasonable for a computer to eventually be able to emulate these qualities. Therefore I could easily see a case being made in their favor for "human rights" somewhere down the road, unless humanity makes a firm effort in their design and programming to keep them down.