Will the Switch ever get a Direct competitor?

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Good tablets and even some phones pretty much made the portable market obsolete outside of the Switch so I do not think there really is a market for new portable competitors. Nintendo has an existing fan base that supports it is the only way it really survives.


As it is, if I wanted to I could just run emulators for existing Nintendo games and play them on my tablet. This can be done for most games that exist already so I am not sure why anyone needs a dedicated portable just for this outside of a durable toy for small children.

Because people aren't cheapskates and don't want to muckaroud with a dodgy emulator? Switch is easy.

All it needs is a cyberpunk Hollywood-ified hacker mmo game that makes use of its portability and open wi-fi of the world, where you can hack other players by locating their online accounts in game, and where you can design your own simulated suite of programs. Think Netrunner but everyone is a Shaper.

Co-ordinated attacks to hit certain systems you can't do on your own, integrated chatroom as per random server log in each session, grief other players, trade software you made, integrate the touchscreen and create art attached to them so you can give your custom programs a personal touch, customise a virtual computer from moneyyou get from jobs, or other players paying you for information or programs or simply as a gift, random timed events, and emergent storyline based on data you manage to pilfer along the way.

Have a simulated banking account, and random background money transfer traces or be able to loot other player's accounts.

Basically environmental storytelling of a multi megacorporate shadow war. The nature of the stories are following a trail of crumbs of a multiplicity of corporate conspiracies. So you happen across a picture of a murder that was covered up, and that becomes your storyline. The random nature of their happenstance making it fresh and sells the idea that you can't know everything and sometimes that timed event data might be traded by players to generate as if an information economy.

I'd dig the shit out of a game like that. Uniquely suited to the Switch, I feel. I love the idea of social videogaming but few things actually tickle my interests, and I feel like videogame developers aren't even trying to create new experiences of gaming.

You'd think someone by now would experiment with a truly 'Player Ecosystem Videogame' to coin a genre of videogaming. You could call it 'Pleco'. Not only that but think about the stealth psychology experiments you could run as players play the game through maufacturing a careful network of changes, timed events, analyzing behaviour dynamics of players as they respond to the new, highly tailorable stimuli? Not that one would do that 'cos clearly that would be unethical. But it would make for some interesting research possibilities.

 

[bluegate]

Talk about cherry picking.

I could just throw on screenshots of Mario Kart on Wii, Wii-U and Switch and they'd probably all look the same.

Or some screenshots of the New Super Mario Brothers series on DS, Wii, Wii-U and soon to be Switch.

Or some screenshots of Melee, Brawl, whatever the Wii-U version was called and Ultimate.

Where do you hang out that you actually come across those sorts of pictures and have them ready to use in posts like this? 😂🤣

 

[Bilious Green_v1legacy]

Honestly, I think that mobile phones have pretty much eaten the handheld market for the most part. Nintendo can still pull it off thanks to its handheld legacy and the strength of its IPs (even if it is the same thing over and over), but I doubt Sony will try again, and I can't really see any other company being willing to invest the money required to entering a market with a pretty questionable future.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

confirmation bias

Talk about cherry picking.

I could just throw on screenshots of Mario Kart on Wii, Wii-U and Switch and they'd probably all look the same.

Or some screenshots of the New Super Mario Brothers series on DS, Wii, Wii-U and soon to be Switch.

Or some screenshots of Melee, Brawl, whatever the Wii-U version was called and Ultimate.

Where do you hang out that you actually come across those sorts of pictures and have them ready to use in posts like this? 😂🤣

Probably made them himself. You can whip one up in 5 minutes. Less. Like this:

I would never confuse the perpetrators of "grasslands-desert-forest-jungle-ice world-fire world-boss" for paragons of originality. Especially when all of their characters have been stuck on the same grind, fighting the same enemies for the same reasons and with the same results for 30ish years.

 

[Yoshi178]

I could just throw on screenshots of Mario Kart on Wii, Wii-U and Switch and they'd probably all look the same.

Well the Mario Kart that's on the Wii U is literally the same game that's on the Switch just with less content. lol


in fact what's even crazier about Mario Kart 8 just being a port on the Switch is that a port has managed to sell over 15 million copies lol

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Good tablets and even some phones pretty much made the portable market obsolete outside of the Switch so I do not think there really is a market for new portable competitors. Nintendo has an existing fan base that supports it is the only way it really survives.


As it is, if I wanted to I could just run emulators for existing Nintendo games and play them on my tablet. This can be done for most games that exist already so I am not sure why anyone needs a dedicated portable just for this outside of a durable toy for small children.

Because people aren't cheapskates and don't want to muckaroud with a dodgy emulator? Switch is easy.

All it needs is a cyberpunk Hollywood-ified hacker mmo game that makes use of its portability and open wi-fi of the world, where you can hack other players by locating their online accounts in game, and where you can design your own simulated suite of programs. Think Netrunner but everyone is a Shaper.

Co-ordinated attacks to hit certain systems you can't do on your own, integrated chatroom as per random server log in each session, grief other players, trade software you made, integrate the touchscreen and create art attached to them so you can give your custom programs a personal touch, customise a virtual computer from moneyyou get from jobs, or other players paying you for information or programs or simply as a gift, random timed events, and emergent storyline based on data you manage to pilfer along the way.

Have a simulated banking account, and random background money transfer traces or be able to loot other player's accounts.

Basically environmental storytelling of a multi megacorporate shadow war. The nature of the stories are following a trail of crumbs of a multiplicity of corporate conspiracies. So you happen across a picture of a murder that was covered up, and that becomes your storyline. The random nature of their happenstance making it fresh and sells the idea that you can't know everything and sometimes that timed event data might be traded by players to generate as if an information economy.

I'd dig the shit out of a game like that. Uniquely suited to the Switch, I feel. I love the idea of social videogaming but few things actually tickle my interests, and I feel like videogame developers aren't even trying to create new experiences of gaming.

You'd think someone by now would experiment with a truly 'Player Ecosystem Videogame' to coin a genre of videogaming. You could call it 'Pleco'. Not only that but think about the stealth psychology experiments you could run as players play the game through maufacturing a careful network of changes, timed events, analyzing behaviour dynamics of players as they respond to the new, highly tailorable stimuli? Not that one would do that 'cos clearly that would be unethical. But it would make for some interesting research possibilities.

Do you realize how many Switch's people can buy for the price of a high end tablet or phone? It is the switch that is cheap in comparison. It isn't about cost, it is about convenience. People do not want to have to lug around multiple devices, and since they are already carrying these things around with them, they just play games on it as it is instead of having to carry an additional device to what they are already carrying with them. People are willing to pay more to have their devices consolidated so they can carry less with them that has more functions.

Sure a dedicated desired game would increase sales short term, people always want to have the " latest trend" but that is often short lived and then the device goes into the pile with the rest of the devices that did such to collect dust after a while. *Looks glaringly at my stack of Old Game Boy's and PSP's*

After the novelty wears off they toss it aside and still grab their phone to take with them.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

I could just throw on screenshots of Mario Kart on Wii, Wii-U and Switch and they'd probably all look the same.

Well the Mario Kart that's on the Wii U is literally the same game that's on the Switch just with less content. lol

in fact what's even crazier about Mario Kart 8 just being a port on the Switch is that a port has managed to sell over 15 million copies lol

Just like COD lol

Do you realize how many Switch's people can buy for the price of a high end tablet or phone? It is the switch that is cheap in comparison.

My $80 smartphone plays pretty much all the games on mobile. I can buy almost 4 phones for the price it costs for a Switch. Plus, the phones have better games (digital board games) and a bigger library than the Switch to boot. I can't play Through the Ages or Sentinels of the Multiverse on a Switch while I'm waiting to get a haircut like I did yesterday.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

I could just throw on screenshots of Mario Kart on Wii, Wii-U and Switch and they'd probably all look the same.

Well the Mario Kart that's on the Wii U is literally the same game that's on the Switch just with less content. lol

in fact what's even crazier about Mario Kart 8 just being a port on the Switch is that a port has managed to sell over 15 million copies lol

Just like COD lol

Do you realize how many Switch's people can buy for the price of a high end tablet or phone? It is the switch that is cheap in comparison.

My $80 smartphone plays pretty much all the games on mobile. I can buy almost 4 phones for the price it costs for a Switch. Plus, the phones have better games (digital board games) and a bigger library than the Switch to boot. I can't play Through the Ages or Sentinels of the Multiverse on a Switch while I'm waiting to get a haircut like I did yesterday.

And those are just the low end mobiles, when you start looking at what the high end tablets and phones can do, there is no real reason to have any other device. Tablets and phones have both the low end and high end market covered.

 

[Yoshi178]

I could just throw on screenshots of Mario Kart on Wii, Wii-U and Switch and they'd probably all look the same.

Well the Mario Kart that's on the Wii U is literally the same game that's on the Switch just with less content. lol

in fact what's even crazier about Mario Kart 8 just being a port on the Switch is that a port has managed to sell over 15 million copies lol

Just like COD lol

No COD release's sequels all the time.
it's more like the Uncharted games and TLOU. the original Uncharted Trilogy and TLOU games got put on the PS4. lol

 

[Yoshi178]

Good tablets and even some phones pretty much made the portable market obsolete outside of the Switch so I do not think there really is a market for new portable competitors. Nintendo has an existing fan base that supports it is the only way it really survives.


As it is, if I wanted to I could just run emulators for existing Nintendo games and play them on my tablet. This can be done for most games that exist already so I am not sure why anyone needs a dedicated portable just for this outside of a durable toy for small children.

Because people aren't cheapskates and don't want to muckaroud with a dodgy emulator? Switch is easy.

All it needs is a cyberpunk Hollywood-ified hacker mmo game that makes use of its portability and open wi-fi of the world, where you can hack other players by locating their online accounts in game, and where you can design your own simulated suite of programs. Think Netrunner but everyone is a Shaper.

Co-ordinated attacks to hit certain systems you can't do on your own, integrated chatroom as per random server log in each session, grief other players, trade software you made, integrate the touchscreen and create art attached to them so you can give your custom programs a personal touch, customise a virtual computer from moneyyou get from jobs, or other players paying you for information or programs or simply as a gift, random timed events, and emergent storyline based on data you manage to pilfer along the way.

Have a simulated banking account, and random background money transfer traces or be able to loot other player's accounts.

Basically environmental storytelling of a multi megacorporate shadow war. The nature of the stories are following a trail of crumbs of a multiplicity of corporate conspiracies. So you happen across a picture of a murder that was covered up, and that becomes your storyline. The random nature of their happenstance making it fresh and sells the idea that you can't know everything and sometimes that timed event data might be traded by players to generate as if an information economy.

I'd dig the shit out of a game like that. Uniquely suited to the Switch, I feel. I love the idea of social videogaming but few things actually tickle my interests, and I feel like videogame developers aren't even trying to create new experiences of gaming.

You'd think someone by now would experiment with a truly 'Player Ecosystem Videogame' to coin a genre of videogaming. You could call it 'Pleco'. Not only that but think about the stealth psychology experiments you could run as players play the game through maufacturing a careful network of changes, timed events, analyzing behaviour dynamics of players as they respond to the new, highly tailorable stimuli? Not that one would do that 'cos clearly that would be unethical. But it would make for some interesting research possibilities.

Do you realize how many Switch's people can buy for the price of a high end tablet or phone? It is the switch that is cheap in comparison. It isn't about cost, it is about convenience. People do not want to have to lug around multiple devices, and since they are already carrying these things around with them, they just play games on it as it is instead of having to carry an additional device to what they are already carrying with them. People are willing to pay more to have their devices consolidated so they can carry less with them that has more functions.

Sure a dedicated desired game would increase sales short term, people always want to have the " latest trend" but that is often short lived and then the device goes into the pile with the rest of the devices that did such to collect dust after a while. *Looks glaringly at my stack of Old Game Boy's and PSP's*

After the novelty wears off they toss it aside and still grab their phone to take with them.

and yet 32 million people don't seem to care and don't mind buying a dedicated gaming device like the Switch. lol

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Good tablets and even some phones pretty much made the portable market obsolete outside of the Switch so I do not think there really is a market for new portable competitors. Nintendo has an existing fan base that supports it is the only way it really survives.


As it is, if I wanted to I could just run emulators for existing Nintendo games and play them on my tablet. This can be done for most games that exist already so I am not sure why anyone needs a dedicated portable just for this outside of a durable toy for small children.

Because people aren't cheapskates and don't want to muckaroud with a dodgy emulator? Switch is easy.

All it needs is a cyberpunk Hollywood-ified hacker mmo game that makes use of its portability and open wi-fi of the world, where you can hack other players by locating their online accounts in game, and where you can design your own simulated suite of programs. Think Netrunner but everyone is a Shaper.

Co-ordinated attacks to hit certain systems you can't do on your own, integrated chatroom as per random server log in each session, grief other players, trade software you made, integrate the touchscreen and create art attached to them so you can give your custom programs a personal touch, customise a virtual computer from moneyyou get from jobs, or other players paying you for information or programs or simply as a gift, random timed events, and emergent storyline based on data you manage to pilfer along the way.

Have a simulated banking account, and random background money transfer traces or be able to loot other player's accounts.

Basically environmental storytelling of a multi megacorporate shadow war. The nature of the stories are following a trail of crumbs of a multiplicity of corporate conspiracies. So you happen across a picture of a murder that was covered up, and that becomes your storyline. The random nature of their happenstance making it fresh and sells the idea that you can't know everything and sometimes that timed event data might be traded by players to generate as if an information economy.

I'd dig the shit out of a game like that. Uniquely suited to the Switch, I feel. I love the idea of social videogaming but few things actually tickle my interests, and I feel like videogame developers aren't even trying to create new experiences of gaming.

You'd think someone by now would experiment with a truly 'Player Ecosystem Videogame' to coin a genre of videogaming. You could call it 'Pleco'. Not only that but think about the stealth psychology experiments you could run as players play the game through maufacturing a careful network of changes, timed events, analyzing behaviour dynamics of players as they respond to the new, highly tailorable stimuli? Not that one would do that 'cos clearly that would be unethical. But it would make for some interesting research possibilities.

Do you realize how many Switch's people can buy for the price of a high end tablet or phone? It is the switch that is cheap in comparison. It isn't about cost, it is about convenience. People do not want to have to lug around multiple devices, and since they are already carrying these things around with them, they just play games on it as it is instead of having to carry an additional device to what they are already carrying with them. People are willing to pay more to have their devices consolidated so they can carry less with them that has more functions.

Sure a dedicated desired game would increase sales short term, people always want to have the " latest trend" but that is often short lived and then the device goes into the pile with the rest of the devices that did such to collect dust after a while. *Looks glaringly at my stack of Old Game Boy's and PSP's*

After the novelty wears off they toss it aside and still grab their phone to take with them.

and yet 32 million people don't seem to care and don't mind buying a dedicated gaming device like the Switch. lol

Like I said before, Nintendo has a dedicated fanbase. Hell I have a pile of Nintendo handhelds sitting there as well. I also have the PlayStation handhelds, but that does not mean that the market is big enough that new guys will be able to get a foot in the door when it is easier just to make games that will work on phones and tablets. It is a matter of if the market is enough to support competition, and I don't think Nintendo's success will transfer over to competitors.


In addition, many people view Nintendo devices more as "durable toys", like I stated above, targeting children rather than more of a computer for adults. Many parents don't feel comfortable buying a phone for their 5 year old, but they will buy them a switch.

 

[Yoshi178]

Good tablets and even some phones pretty much made the portable market obsolete outside of the Switch so I do not think there really is a market for new portable competitors. Nintendo has an existing fan base that supports it is the only way it really survives.


As it is, if I wanted to I could just run emulators for existing Nintendo games and play them on my tablet. This can be done for most games that exist already so I am not sure why anyone needs a dedicated portable just for this outside of a durable toy for small children.

Because people aren't cheapskates and don't want to muckaroud with a dodgy emulator? Switch is easy.

All it needs is a cyberpunk Hollywood-ified hacker mmo game that makes use of its portability and open wi-fi of the world, where you can hack other players by locating their online accounts in game, and where you can design your own simulated suite of programs. Think Netrunner but everyone is a Shaper.

Co-ordinated attacks to hit certain systems you can't do on your own, integrated chatroom as per random server log in each session, grief other players, trade software you made, integrate the touchscreen and create art attached to them so you can give your custom programs a personal touch, customise a virtual computer from moneyyou get from jobs, or other players paying you for information or programs or simply as a gift, random timed events, and emergent storyline based on data you manage to pilfer along the way.

Have a simulated banking account, and random background money transfer traces or be able to loot other player's accounts.

Basically environmental storytelling of a multi megacorporate shadow war. The nature of the stories are following a trail of crumbs of a multiplicity of corporate conspiracies. So you happen across a picture of a murder that was covered up, and that becomes your storyline. The random nature of their happenstance making it fresh and sells the idea that you can't know everything and sometimes that timed event data might be traded by players to generate as if an information economy.

I'd dig the shit out of a game like that. Uniquely suited to the Switch, I feel. I love the idea of social videogaming but few things actually tickle my interests, and I feel like videogame developers aren't even trying to create new experiences of gaming.

You'd think someone by now would experiment with a truly 'Player Ecosystem Videogame' to coin a genre of videogaming. You could call it 'Pleco'. Not only that but think about the stealth psychology experiments you could run as players play the game through maufacturing a careful network of changes, timed events, analyzing behaviour dynamics of players as they respond to the new, highly tailorable stimuli? Not that one would do that 'cos clearly that would be unethical. But it would make for some interesting research possibilities.

Do you realize how many Switch's people can buy for the price of a high end tablet or phone? It is the switch that is cheap in comparison. It isn't about cost, it is about convenience. People do not want to have to lug around multiple devices, and since they are already carrying these things around with them, they just play games on it as it is instead of having to carry an additional device to what they are already carrying with them. People are willing to pay more to have their devices consolidated so they can carry less with them that has more functions.

Sure a dedicated desired game would increase sales short term, people always want to have the " latest trend" but that is often short lived and then the device goes into the pile with the rest of the devices that did such to collect dust after a while. *Looks glaringly at my stack of Old Game Boy's and PSP's*

After the novelty wears off they toss it aside and still grab their phone to take with them.

and yet 32 million people don't seem to care and don't mind buying a dedicated gaming device like the Switch. lol

Like I said before, Nintendo has a dedicated fanbase. Hell I have a pile of Nintendo handhelds sitting there as well. I also have the PlayStation handhelds, but that does not mean that the market is big enough that new guys will be able to get a foot in the door when it is easier just to make games that will work on phones and tablets. It is a matter of if the market is enough to support competition, and I don't think Nintendo's success will transfer over to competitors.


In addition, many people view Nintendo devices more as "durable toys", like I stated above, targeting children rather than more of a computer for adults. Many parents don't feel comfortable buying a phone for their 5 year old, but they will buy them a switch.

ah yes, the age old "Nintendo is for kids" argument. i was wondering when that would show up in this thread.

you could easily say the same about Sony fans.

 

[Yoshi178]

if a Nintendo system does poorly they're Nintendoomed.
if a Nintendo system does well, people go "B-B-But only kids and soccer moms buy that stuff"


it's always the same thing. why are you guys so threatened by the companies success?

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

if a Nintendo system does poorly they're Nintendoomed.
if a Nintendo system does well, people go "B-B-But only kids and soccer moms buy that stuff"


it's always the same thing. why are you guys so threatened by the companies success?

Who is "You guys" to be threatened? I like Nintendo and have all their systems. I <3 my Pok?mon. LOL

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

No COD release's sequels all the time.
it's more like the Uncharted games and TLOU. the original Uncharted Trilogy and TLOU games got put on the PS4. lol

My comment was pertaining to Nintendo and Activision being able to release the same game for 20 years or so and have it sell 10s of millions. Nintendo figured out that they could just port the previous entry vs making a "Switch" version and people didn't give a shit.

And don't forget how Nintendo screws over their own customers by pushing current-gen titles to their next system like Twilight Princess and Breath of the Wild. Sony will release killer apps for their current system like TLOU when they are launching their new system in a few months.

 

[Yoshi178]

No COD release's sequels all the time.
it's more like the Uncharted games and TLOU. the original Uncharted Trilogy and TLOU games got put on the PS4. lol

My comment was pertaining to Nintendo and Activision being able to release the same game for 20 years or so and have it sell 10s of millions. Nintendo figured out that they could just port the previous entry vs making a "Switch" version and people didn't give a shit.

And don't forget how Nintendo screws over their own customers by pushing current-gen titles to their next system like Twilight Princess and Breath of the Wild. Sony will release killer apps for their current system like TLOU when they are launching their new system in a few months.

you seriously think Sony wouldn't have been reselling the shit out of Uncharted for 20 years if they made the original game sooner? LOL

this is like the 3rd time Sony is putting out the original Medievil game when that comes out on PS4 this year. and god only knows how many damn Ratchet & Clank games they keep pumping out.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

you seriously think Sony wouldn't have been reselling the shit out of Uncharted for 20 years if they made the original game sooner? LOL

this is like the 3rd time Sony is putting out the original Medievil game when that comes out on PS4 this year. and god only knows how many damn Ratchet & Clank games they keep pumping out.

Releasing a remaster/remake to newer systems is different that having your killer apps just be the same games on your current system. Smash and Mario Kart have been the same games forever and Nintendo acts like they are NEW games. WOW has changed more over time than those series. Uncharted, Medievil, or Shadow of the Colossus remakes/remasters aren't being marketed as new killer apps that you need a PS4 for. It's more like "hey, if you really like such and such game or you missed it before, you can play on PS4". If not, we got all these other NEW games for our NEW system, which is what you bought the system for.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

if a Nintendo system does poorly they're Nintendoomed.
if a Nintendo system does well, people go "B-B-But only kids and soccer moms buy that stuff"


it's always the same thing. why are you guys so threatened by the companies success?

Who is "You guys" to be threatened?

Projection is my guess. Too many keks and shitty .jpgs.
Is Kingdom Hearts even a good pick for mocking fans? The series is equal-parts Sony and Nintendo exclusive. Granted, Nintendo got the shitty handheld side of the deal, but still. Or maybe it's because KH3 came out on both PS4 and Xbone but not on Switch. Like just about every other game.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

if a Nintendo system does poorly they're Nintendoomed.
if a Nintendo system does well, people go "B-B-But only kids and soccer moms buy that stuff"


it's always the same thing. why are you guys so threatened by the companies success?

I dunno, because then people have to acknowledge that games as a whole were founded as entertainment for kids i.e. toys and that somehow wounds people who take them WAY too damn seriously

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

if a Nintendo system does poorly they're Nintendoomed.
if a Nintendo system does well, people go "B-B-But only kids and soccer moms buy that stuff"


it's always the same thing. why are you guys so threatened by the companies success?

I dunno, because then people have to acknowledge that games as a whole were founded as entertainment for kids i.e. toys and that somehow wounds people who take them WAY too damn seriously

Or.
People want to experience with the possibilities of the medium rather than limiting themselves to a single formula (that happens to be primarily aimed at kids). Imagine a buff who only watches Pixar. Nothing wrong with it but there's so much more to animation.