Will the Switch fail?

[JUMBO PALACE]

It has a lot more chance on success than the WiiU considering Nintendo atleast learned it's lesson that lack of third party support is what led the WiiU to it's early grave(that and not rebranding the console). I don't know to what extent Nintendo is involved with third parties behind the scenes but if they manage to seal exclusive deals(similarly like with Capcom during the Gamecube days) instead of just downgraded ports then I'll definitely be interested in the Switch. This could be Nintendo's big push to stay relevant in the console business which is a promising prospect.

The thing that diminishes my excitement somewhat is that it appears to be another gimmick system. Like the console can be separated from it's docking station and then games can be played on it's tablet but the console is still significantly more powerful when placed on it's docking station. Now how does this even work: developing games that need to be functional in two separate modes? On the outset I'd say similarly like the WiiU this is architecture that chases away third parties but considering they are already affiliated with the Switch this doesn't seem to be the case.

So yeah, Nintendo certainly has the potential to make their new console great again. I hope for another Gamecube situation but with higher sales potential. That is one of my favorite systems; it had an incredibly strong first party line-up and some exceptionally good third party exclusives(not that they stayed exclusive but still ).

This has been the case for Nintendo since the Wii. Third party developers line up and say that they are supporting the new console but then quickly fall away since the tech is so limited and the install base is small.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/01/11/an-inside-explanation-of-why-third-parties-have-left-the-wii-u/#121e0d4257b1

The way the performance gap is looking, devs are going to be making a version for Sony and Microsoft, one with more options for PC, and an under-powered version for the docked Switch and a mobile version for tablet mode. I doubt that will last long.

I'm one of many in this thread who hopes for the best but sees the writing on the walls. My first console was an N64 and I remember my Gamecube fondly but without paying some attention to the technology and providing a steady stream of games the Switch is going to be DOA. It's ridiculous that the Wii U didn't get a proper Zelda installment in its life-span. Nintendo has one job- make Mario, Yoshi, Zelda, Starfox (a good one), and Super Smash Bros, and they didn't even do that this time around.

I understand that Nintendo is more about pure fun- I recently had a blast playing Super Mario 3D world with my girlfriend- but I don't see anyone crowding around a 7" screen with their friends and passing around a controller the size of a chicken nugget.

 

[meiam]

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What makes you think the switch will be very expensive? I'm guessing it'll be 300$ at most, and like you said it just has to be cheaper than the alternative (ie real tablet) which are usually pricier than that. Everything from the spec scream that it'll be weak, so I don't think the basic component will be all that expensive and the screen itself, well the wii U had one about has big and it was 300$.

I'm pretty sure Nintendo will also quietly kill the 3DS. They'll say the entire way that they're not (just like they said that for literally every generation transition for portable, hell they even said that for the wii U and they're already stopping the production), but I doubt we'll see anymore Nintendo game for it.

Oh, and the killer; where is the next pokemon game going to be at? I rest my case.

 

[CritialGaming]

Honestly, yeah the Switch looks like a terrible system. Another case of Nintendo trying to do too much at once, but not being good enough at any of the things it tries to do.

Consoles are already in a bad position due to the ever increasing demands of the games being developed. Xbox and PS4 both have incredible install issues, and suffer from mediocre frame rates on most titles. This being due to the hardware of the systems being so underpowered upon release that both Sony and Microsoft were forced to release upgraded versions of their console. Microsoft even confirmed an even more powerful console to come at the end of 2017.

The Switch looks incredibly underpowered it it's own reveal trailer! Go watch it and pay attention to the game frame rates. When you can see frame hitching in a promo video, that's a huge red flag. Not to mention that to play the kind of games that the system is advertising on to go will be basically impossible with current battery life. There have been reports that you will get 2.5 hours of playtime while in handheld mode, which again is a problem.

Inferior performance, shitty battery life, and absolutely nothing new to offer anyone. I suppose it can be the ultimate budget gaming laptop.

While it remains to be seen what ends up happening with the Switch. I have a feeling it will be incredibly underwhelming in the Western markets. Japan will probably buy the shit out of it though, as they are much more mobile heavy than other places. Battery life may still be a concern as I don't know what the average commute is like in Japan.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

It depends if skyrim is a launch title or not.

Apparently that whole Skyrim thing was computer generated. He wasn't actually playing the game, and they just used PC footage overlaid onto the screens.

 

[CritialGaming]

It depends if skyrim is a launch title or not.

Apparently that whole Skyrim thing was computer generated. He wasn't actually playing the game, and they just used PC footage overlaid onto the screens.

Which in an of itself is a red flag, considering they are promising all this 3rd party support and the 3rd party developers are like "lol wut?"

 

[WeepingAngels]

It depends if skyrim is a launch title or not.

Apparently that whole Skyrim thing was computer generated. He wasn't actually playing the game, and they just used PC footage overlaid onto the screens.

Which in an of itself is a red flag, considering they are promising all this 3rd party support and the 3rd party developers are like "lol wut?"

It's not uncommon to put tv footage in during post, when you film a tv the quality isn't very good. Yeah though, showing footage of Skyrim without Bethesda's permission.

 

[nomotog_v1legacy]

It depends if skyrim is a launch title or not.

Apparently that whole Skyrim thing was computer generated. He wasn't actually playing the game, and they just used PC footage overlaid onto the screens.

Which in an of itself is a red flag, considering they are promising all this 3rd party support and the 3rd party developers are like "lol wut?"

It's not uncommon to put tv footage in during post, when you film a tv the quality isn't very good. Yeah though, showing footage of Skyrim without Bethesda's permission.

It can all be OK if the game is actually on the console when it comes out. On the other hand, not having the game is a full on red card. Get the switch out we don't want it.

 

[WeepingAngels]

It depends if skyrim is a launch title or not.

Apparently that whole Skyrim thing was computer generated. He wasn't actually playing the game, and they just used PC footage overlaid onto the screens.

Which in an of itself is a red flag, considering they are promising all this 3rd party support and the 3rd party developers are like "lol wut?"

It's not uncommon to put tv footage in during post, when you film a tv the quality isn't very good. Yeah though, showing footage of Skyrim without Bethesda's permission.

It can all be OK if the game is actually on the console when it comes out. On the other hand, not having the game is a full on red card. Get the switch out we don't want it.

It's not OK for a company who slaps down YouTubers for using it's content to use Bethesda's content without permission.

 

[Paradine]

It depends if skyrim is a launch title or not.

Apparently that whole Skyrim thing was computer generated. He wasn't actually playing the game, and they just used PC footage overlaid onto the screens.

Which in an of itself is a red flag, considering they are promising all this 3rd party support and the 3rd party developers are like "lol wut?"

It's not uncommon to put tv footage in during post, when you film a tv the quality isn't very good. Yeah though, showing footage of Skyrim without Bethesda's permission.

It can all be OK if the game is actually on the console when it comes out. On the other hand, not having the game is a full on red card. Get the switch out we don't want it.

It's not OK for a company who slaps down YouTubers for using it's content to use Bethesda's content without permission.

It's quite common knowledge that Bethesda worked on the reveal trailer with Nintendo.... has been for a long while now.

Source http://www.usgamer.net/articles/skyrim-for-nintendo-switch-bethesda-confirms-game-it-let-nintendo-show-off-already

 

[WeepingAngels]

It depends if skyrim is a launch title or not.

Apparently that whole Skyrim thing was computer generated. He wasn't actually playing the game, and they just used PC footage overlaid onto the screens.

Which in an of itself is a red flag, considering they are promising all this 3rd party support and the 3rd party developers are like "lol wut?"

It's not uncommon to put tv footage in during post, when you film a tv the quality isn't very good. Yeah though, showing footage of Skyrim without Bethesda's permission.

It can all be OK if the game is actually on the console when it comes out. On the other hand, not having the game is a full on red card. Get the switch out we don't want it.

It's not OK for a company who slaps down YouTubers for using it's content to use Bethesda's content without permission.

It's quite common knowledge that Bethesda worked on the reveal trailer with Nintendo.... has been for a long while now.

Source http://www.usgamer.net/articles/skyrim-for-nintendo-switch-bethesda-confirms-game-it-let-nintendo-show-off-already

So there's no problem then.

 

[Yoshi178]

i just wish people would stfu and all the rumours would end to be perfectly honest.


everyone should just wait until the bloody official reveal next week then go crazy with the predictions but for all i care, people should just stfu and stop trying to predict the future based entirely on rumours.

 

[Yoshi178]

I do not think it will take off like the Wii did

why does it have to take off like the Wii did to be considered a success? PS4 sure as hell hasn't got Wii sales numbers and is still considered a massive success.

 

[Maximum Bert]

I dont know from those around me I know very few are even entertaining the idea of getting one but thats only a small sample size. Personally I will keep an eye on it but I am even more indifferent about it than the PS4 mainly because outside of a few titles which are not even traditional Nintendo IPS (or even Nintendo IPS at all) the WiiU and Wii just sat there for the most part.

They are going to have to show a much wider breath of games to get me interested tbh and ones I cannot get on the PS4 or PC.

I hope it does not fail though because if it falls as hard as the WiiU I think Nintendo may be in trouble if not financially but in the sense that they have very little relevance in the minds of the average gamer anymore which to be honest I believe they started with the decision to go a vastly different path to their rivals with the Wii which I still think was a short term decision but then again maybe they really could not afford to keep up with Sony and MS in the race for parity which in itself is a problem.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

I think it has potential to do better than the Wii U but that isn't saying much.

 

[DrownedAmmet]

I'm pretty confident it will do good. It's gonna launch with a Zelda game that looks great, plus there's gonna be new Marios Kart, Party, and World out for it eventually . If they can crank out a legit sequel to Mario 64 within a year the console should do fine.

Unless of course they pull a Nintendo and not release any good games for it for a few years, then it will probably fail

 

[meiam]

I'm pretty confident it will do good. It's gonna launch with a Zelda game that looks great, plus there's gonna be new Marios Kart, Party, and World out for it eventually . If they can crank out a legit sequel to Mario 64 within a year the console should do fine.

Unless of course they pull a Nintendo and not release any good games for it for a few years, then it will probably fail

I'm guessing its going to be front loaded with a few decent game (mostly game that were due for the wii U but were switched to the switch) but after that there'll be a drought of games since they almost certainly weren't expecting to release there next device so soon and thus don't really have any big plans. Althought they might have been planning it for some time as the next 3DS, it's been 6 years! So they might have already been cooking some games for it.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

why does it have to take off like the Wii did to be considered a success? PS4 sure as hell hasn't got Wii sales numbers and is still considered a massive success.

Because of the go-to gamer argument of false equivalency. Nintendo kicks the shit out of Sony and MS with the Wii and comes out of the previous generation massively in the black, somehow it doesn't count. Sony gets lucky with the PS4 due to MS having a brain hemorrhage and Nintendo getting snubbed by third parties for no reason other than bullshit politics, somehow Sony are geniuses. And that's before you get into the horse race aspect of this with trying to sell some kind of "narrative" for Nintendo due to them being the least controversial and least dramatic gaming company on the planet despite their name being a synonym for games.

 

[cathou]

well, like others have said : it depend. number one factor : which games will be in sale for day 1. they must have Zelda, not doubt about it, and they must have at least a 5 or 6 solid other games.

then, well we will see the specs soon enough. Personally, i decided to skip xobox one and ps4. there's no game i would like to play there that i cannot play on my PC. So Switch, if it have good games that i cannot have on my pc, might have a go. and the fact that it is portable mean something for me. i have two young kids (4 and 2) and forget it, i cannot have control of the tv at any time during the day. so i'm very interrested to play a game instead of watching damn frozen for the 6 bazillion time

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

The problem with the Switch is the same problem that I have with the WiiU and it's silly controller, the fact that it isn't designed at all for an adult audience.

The WiiU's touch screen controller is great for when your dad wants to use the TV to watch sports and doesn't let you play video games on it. You can just turn on your WiiU and leave the room with the controller while playing on the second screen!

...Except that I'm an adult, own my own TV in my own living room, and don't have to worry about people kicking me off my TV. I don't need a portable second screen because I have A FUCK OFF BIG TV SCREEN all to myself.

The Switch's portability is great for when you have to go on a long car ride with your parents and have nothing to do. You can just pull out your switch in the back seat and play it on battery power until the drive is over.

...Except I'm an adult and I'M THE ONE DRIVING THE CAR. I'll never actually need the Switch's portability. There aren't many times in my day where I have the free time to play a video game while simultaneously being away from my living room, and when those times rarely do occur I'll have a smart phone on my pocket so that I don't have a lug around an entire backpack.

These special features don't do anything for me, and that fact makes me feel like I don't want a Switch. After all, why would I buy something when I don't have any use specifically for the features that it excels in? And I'm sure that the games will be great, but considering I have a PS4 and PC (and not a whole lot of free time) I don't exactly foresee myself in a game drought.

It's quite sad, because my first console was an N64, and I REALLY want to love these new nintendo consoles, but I just can't.