Will the Wii became the Game Cube?

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Most definitly the new Gamecube.

 

[RYjet911]

I hate this conception that people see the Wii as a casual console. My friend throws around the term 'hardcore gamer' and 'hardcore console' too much whenever I argue with him over it. He claims that the only the reason Wii sells so well is because it's catered towards the more casual gamer or the family gamer, while 360 and PS3 (He seems a bit of a Sony fanboy myself) are apparently designed for the more hardcore gamer.

Now, a hardcore gamer doesn't have to be one who plays CS:S six hours a day and has the reaction time of a paranoid gnat, because any gamer can be considered hardcore if they play any game with a certain passion. I'm being told that the guy who completed Super Mario Brothers in five minutes and six seconds isn't a hardcore gamer for doing that?

And I still have issues with using the term hardcore in anything to do with what games and consoles you play.

 

[RYjet911]

Excuse me son, but for the first time in my life someones just talked so much shit i cant help but ask...are you ACTUALY retarded?

Coming from the person who has a spelling error every five words.

Firstly i meant shit as an adjective to describe the wii...so thats 1 point you shouldent have made.

Actually, I believe you were refering to the Wii using a metaphor.

Wii are the only ones in thsi generation who are using gimmicks, xbox and ps3 are using good old fationed console+controler+ game models, so your wrong again.

And why exactly is this a bad thing? The Wii's controller setup is generally very easy to get the hang of. True, some games really overuse the stick waggling features, but then not all PS3/360 games have perfect controller setups...

You have obviously never seen a side by side comparisson of a 360 vs a wii or ps3 vs wii graphics, or youd know its a huge drop in actual power. What wii have done is made a sub par console with terrible hardware but a controler idiots go crazy over which is just a complete scam to get people to buy.

Actually, pretty much everybody who's seen a Wii game can tell the hardware isn't up to the par set by Microsoft or Sony. But graphics and hardware don't make the games fun. Look at Halo 3.

Like i said its all because of a gimick that people are buying this console, if it didnt have that controler, it would never sell as well, people are actualy being ripped off by nintendo.

Actually, a console's sales are largely due to its differences from the other ones. The controller stands out as one of these differences. There's also the fact Nintendo seem to be trying to advertise this generation that people are hearing about it. The Gamecube was poorly marketted in comparison to the Wii, and it still didn't flop.

You know, this is exactly what happend around 3 generations ago, when everyone was making lightguns, they CAN work well for specific games but the rest of the time they just fail.

And do you know what? It's a gimmick that worked, and updated forms of that media still exist in arcades today. And those games are still particularly popular.
The Wii-mote works well in a lot of its games, just certain features are overused.

Also xbox+360+arcade...yes.

I'd like it if I didn't have to pay ridiculous amounts of money for what are essentially HD mini-games.

 

[Shadow-Knight]

A system that many people own but rarely play because of a lack of good games. This is just like the game cube. Nintendo still hasn't learned that in order to keep people buying, they need to increase the quantity of good games. Because of the odd controls, many publishers aren't making Wii versions so blockbuster games, leaving people with the Wii cold and alone.

 

[Doctor Panda]

I agree with malestrithe, the ps2 won the previous consule war what's going to stop the ps3? Anyway back to the wii, the only reason people are buying it is because it's new and no offence they're not gamers. I've yet to see a reason to get a wii, it's for children to break. It's only a glorified stick. Think about it, what games are on the wii? Say mario, zelda, and resident evil 4 I dare ya.

Fuck this, and how dare you or anyone. Gaming is not an exclusive club, and whether you play Peggle all night, or CoD4, you are a gamer. If you want games to become a more accepted form of entertainment around the world, you're going to have to stop being so elitist, and learn to include all games, and all people that play them into the classification of "gamers".

I'd have to agree with you, and expand on that as well. I don't see the wii being in the 'console war' at all. It's not competing for the same market. Nintendo said (fairly explicitly really) that sony and ms can *have* the sort of people who keep up to date with releases and can quote system specs from memory. It can *have* the competitive online player. And us, Nintendo, let us have the people who play puzzle games, who play casually, who have only ever played the sims and love it, who are looking for a cheap console they can give their kids, who want to play party games, who are all grown up and can only be bothered keeping up with some old franchises they love, who are hardcore gamers but willing to buy the wii anyway because they have the cash and are willing to get it for the few titles that do cater to them and (like myself) the people who for no obvious reason just happen to really like some of the software on it...

That's a perfectly acceptable idea in my book and frankly i think it's good that this extremely large and growing segment of the gaming population are being better catered for. Electronic entertainment is fantastic, and adaptable enough that you could probably find something for everyone if they're willing to sit down and try. Hardware sales suggest it's a fairly effective economic strategy. They don't need the superior processing power because it's not going to make that much difference to their goals! And they are by no means making it any more difficult for the 'hardcore' gamer so why all the hate?

 

[Alone Disciple]

I think you're missing the idea what the people at Nintendo went after a broader, more family orientated market, and went after a demorgraphic that Sony and MS tend to ignore.

1st things 1st: You mention graphics aren't as snazzy and at times cartoonish. I think this was a purposeful decsion. I would venture to say most techno geeks (including myself) are chasing after frame rate, partical effects, texture mapping, etc....Most children today and older adults are just as happy with more primary color, simplier things...hence why anime can be considered a popular trend amongst younger audiences. I'd bet that Nintendo's focus groups when look at a very broad demographic found that older people and young children could care less and even be intimadated by superior graphics. Whether it's too realistic, too busy, or too consfusing. Sometimes 'less' is indeed 'more'. Casual gamers today will even say some of the best games they ever played were of the 8 & 16 bit era....where it was on content and playability and fun, more so than extreme graphics.

Price Point: By not having a Blu-Ray or HD player, extreme graphic chip set, etc., Nintendo took the idea of price point into consideration. Realizing only that hard core gamers want uber systems, by having a lower priced system and lower priced games, they may have the ability to saturate the market earlier on....By their sales numbers... I think they're right. If I have a family with kids, on a budget, and I faced to decide to get a $199 system or a $499 sytem, then realized there's also a $10 price difference on games....guess which system I'm about to buy.

Family orientated: Hey, I agree with you. I own Wii and an Xbox 360. I play the 360 mostly, but my wife and daughter and neighbor hood kids are more entertained by the Wii...It's simplier for them to pick up, I don't have to wory about possible bad language, or end up explaining to other parents why their kids now know how to do headshots. When my adult friends come over....it's much easier for the women to pick up a Wii remote and play very casual games then to hand them a daunting Xbox controller and explain button combinations, bumper buttons, mutliple triggers, etc.

With all that being said, I don't think that the Wii is or ever will be going after the 360/PS3 crowd. Ninetendo has never been that way and I don't see them changing tactics now. They are after a broader market that cross polinates with their DS system, Pokeman trading cards, etc... They didn't design a system to go after FPS players for a reason.

 

[sackboylocke]

I personally think that there is no such thing as a console war, it all boils down to-

Wii- for 0-9 yr olds (or persons with the equivalent IQ)

X Box 360- casual gamer, basically a slightly cheaper, slightly worse version of the PS3 with the same reliability as Northern Rock

PS3- The console for the more serious gamer, with a price tag following suit. yet it does have the best graphics and the most potential by far (excluding the Wii's potential of bringing out the same game with a different boss battle at the end (zelda, mario etc)

You may have guessed but I am a PS3 owner but i have played on the Xbox and Wii so basically you can choose between;

Idiotic party gaming for he under 12's, shit graphics, the same games, the equivalent of a PSP (graphics) with a wireless joystic

Fun gaming with good graphics and games 1- Cheaper but worse grapics, HD dvd sucks ass,unreliability (all of my fiends that have one have had the red ring at least once) and the fact that with all the periferals the PS3 has built in the price equivalates.

serious gaming (although LBP...) with better graphics, a game selection that will soon rival its only competitor (2 guesses!) and the backing of the new format of dvd (blue ray). Also wireless, massive hard drive, play tv, dualshock 3, reliability.


See you online (I ohpe you make the right choice!)
add me, FLAMING-ANGEL

 

[poleboy]

Well technically, the only gamers who care about things like the audiovisual sensorial experience are the ones who play on powerful and extensible platforms.

Oh wait, there's only one platform right now which does that

And why are we still discussing this inane topic? The Wii is not the Gamecube and it cannot become the Gamecube. The sustained (and utterly ridiculous) level of its success is a testament to that.

That future-tech erotic stimulation machine you built in your basement doesn't count... though I will consider it if you decide to mass-produce it.

And thank you, finally someone who gets it. The wii is wildly succesful. You can think whatever you want about it, but it has outsold every other home console on the market in its generation so far. Don't make me dig out the numbers again people, they will make flaming fanboy hearts cry.

 

[RYjet911]

Blagh blagh blagh IM AN IDIOT DEFENDING A SHIT SYSTEM. Blagh blagh IM USING IDIOTIC POINTS AND RAMBLING TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM NOTICING MY MISTAKES.

Yes, nice work there

Quote editting. I'm so offended. >_<

 

[asacatman]

another generic the wii is bad for hardcore gamers thread that makes me want to rip out my own testicles. I saw this EXCACT same thread already posted in this forums, on the same day , nearly in the same hour, as this one. Aaaaaaaaaaaarhg.
I'll give you my opinion if you want. No the wii is not the gamecube, no it's not a bad system, it's great. I'm not giving reasons because I don't have any patience.

 

[weirdaljedifan2]

Blagh blagh blagh IM AN IDIOT DEFENDING A SHIT SYSTEM. Blagh blagh IM USING IDIOTIC POINTS AND RAMBLING TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM NOTICING MY MISTAKES.

Yes, nice work there

Here's a better idea, QUIT BEING AN ASSHOLE AND SHUT UP!!!!! The only way for anyone to give a crap about what you say is to make good points that make sense, not bash someone because they have a different opinion!

(sigh of relief) That felt good.

 

[RYjet911]

It amazes me that King Hippo hasn't gotten warned or ANYTHING for posts like that, when usually quote editing is against rules on a lot of forums, but then other people get warned or put on probation for posts which I can't see anything wrong in...

But, I'm not a mod, I leave judgment to them. Just throwing my opinion out there.

Back on topic, to outright state any console or game is crap with little justification as to why, and BLAME others for not having the same opinion, means you probably need to get some form of therapy to be honest.

King Hippo, you need to realise that you have an opinion on the Wii. I'm not forcing my opinion on to you, I'm trying to discuss why your reasons for such an opinion are wrong, not saying your opinion itself is wrong. I can understand people don't like the Wii. Not everyone will. No one product can be made to please EVERY SINGLE PERSON.

I agree that a lot of games do abuse the functions of the remote. But that's really only a problem with third party games. Try playing first party games, or maybe the rail shooters. Despite Yahtzee's review and my strange sense of agreeing with pretty much everything he says, I still had a lot of fun playing Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles. Maybe I'm just a sucker for rail shooters, as I love the House of the Dead and Time Crisis series and play it a lot at arcades.

Saying a console is crap is like saying any one thing is crap. I don't want to quote Yahtzee, but he said something along the lines of 'I hate anime' is a stupid phrase because of how there's so many different types of anime that there's gonna be something to suit your tastes. Same applies here: There are enough games on the Wii already to please your tastes somewhere.

EDIT: I've also just seen his latest post. He plays WoW everyone, so his opinion is no longer at all applicable to any form of real game.

You can seriously tell I dislike WoW, don't you?

 

[JediMB]

Wow. Some people are just so biased, ignorant or plain dumb that I don't even want to reply to them out of fear that I'll catch some of whatever it is they have. >_>

Personally I can hardly wait for my first salary at my new job to drop into my bank account a month from now. I'm putting some money aside for an Xbox 360, some for a new PC, and then I'm definitely picking up my own Wii, since I don't want to rely on my little brother's.

The Wii has plenty of awesome games that make good use of the Wiimote (although I will admit that sometimes "good use" equals "no motion features"), despite that some people are too blind to see them. And trailers for Mad World and The Conduit make me drool.

I swear everyone i've seen buy a Wii games is 10 years old with his/her parents, if anyone else buys them they must be buying them online to save embarasment im guessing.

Personally I buy my games online because they're CHEAPER that way.

That's also why I choose to import my DS games most of the time, although I suppose those times could be over... what with the financial crisis thingamajig tossing the value of our currencies all over the place.

Gamecube was the second most powerful system of that generation. It was more powerful than the PS2 and the Dreamcast (not hard to do BTW).

I'm not so sure about that. The Gamecube couldn't graphically compete with the PS2 and the Dreamcast was easily a match for the PS2 in most areas. I would argue it is the least powerful of that generation. Having owned all three of them I can say that with some authority.

Being both a GCN and a PS2 owner, as well as quite knowledgable when it comes to computer hardware, I can say that the Gamecube was superior to the PlayStation 2 in most departments.

It could handle more polygons, it was capable of way more in the graphical effects department (such as animated water and dynamic lighting). Hell, the 'cube even had the 'box beat in the water department.

The two things the PS2 had going for it on the technical side were the DVD... and the higher fillrate, which allowed widescreen support even for more demanding games.

But amusingly enough, the Dreamcast had twice as much graphics memory as the PS2.

 

[CoziestPigeon]

The use of the Wiimote is often clunky, and it's better to randomly swing the Wiimote in different directions like a moron instead of properly thinking of the way the a game should be played.

I don't think that a point like that should be counted right now until the Motion Plus peripheral comes out. They're fixing those problems.

Proof they are doing okay. They can fuck something up, and still make a billion dollars selling you something that should have been included in the first version.

 

[mike1921]

To me the Wii was one of the greatest systems ever made. IN THEORY. Nintendo has committed what I am dubbing, "the game cube effect". The Wii is a great idea, however it lacks good graphics and the most game play mechanics are clunky. The use of the Wiimote is often clunky, and it's better to randomly swing the Wiimote in different directions like a moron instead of properly thinking of the way the a game should be played. Another aspect about the Wii that relates to the game cube, is that a majority of the games are... childish. If Nintendo is going to match with the 360 (I'm excluding the PS3 because it's not doing so well that I know of), then Nintendo really needs to make Wii systems with a better graphics engines and they need to fix the controler mechanics that Nintendo promised us. I have a Wii and proud of it, but that doesn't mean it's perfect by any means

What do you think?

I sorta agree. I honestly think nintendo deserves to be kicked out of the console wars for making two systems in a row that really are only appealing to young fans. And the 64 was no masterpiece either. Look at the controller! Sure the wii has Mario and Zelda which aren't childish (however I still hate Zelda) but 90% of their library is. The only game that makes owning the wii worth it is No More Heroes and Super Mario Galaxy should be bought if you own a wii.

By the way, gamecube was shit.

I don't think that a point like that should be counted right now until the Motion Plus peripheral comes out. They're fixing those problems.

Eh, I think the point is still valid.