Will there be an Atheist, Female, or Homosexual President in our lifetime?

[Bruenin]

I could've sworn that we already had a homosexual president, can't renember his name or what number he was... but he had a male lover. I'm sure... or not... iunno, you can look it up if you care

 

[Febel]

Woman president: next 3-4 elections.
Atheist president: Never as long as we have a two party system, one of which wants the country to follow the laws of Jesus.

Gay President: See above.

What I've always secretly wished is to see a candidate that plays the whole "good christian" aspect until they manage to get elected president and then at their inauguration go "HA! Been lying the whole time, I'm actually an atheist!" It would be great to see the religious right collectively shit themselves and then try desperately to get him impeached with absolutely no success. And then he'd go on to probably be a relatively successful president and everyone would realize atheists aren't devil worshiping monsters or any silly shit like that.

 

[Jegsimmons]

I kind of suspect America has already had an atheist president.

Let's go with 'openly atheist' then. Most will, at the very least, pay lip service to Christianity, even if they might not believe in their hearts.

and to be honest, atheist have only themselves to blame for being so hated.

. . . alright, fine, I'll bite. Why is that?

ok, now first off, let me say...not all of them, probably not even most of them.
Lets start slow and start with this site, how many threads do you see where atheist are claiming how superior they are with science and logic, yet only focus on the bad side of religion and ignoring the scientific advancements and all the good it brings. I have seen first hand where a group of atheist claim religion is violent then turn around and called for genocide against theism...no fooling, on the site i have seen it. For a belief of just not believing in a certain faith, they tend to act pretty damn hostile, even going out of their way to slam religion. Such as in one case in this thread. the very first comment is an unnecessary slam against religious beliefs for no other reason than to slam it.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.337758-Craziest-supidest-theories-you-have-ever-heard?page=1

and for all the complaints they have against organized religion, they turn around and do the same thing. I cant tell you how many times ive seen on the news an organized atheist group bitching about a cross, and statue, or something no one else pays attention to and create controversy for no logical reason....NO REASON AT ALL!!!

Also, when i hear the phrase "free your mind", it seems to imply that people who do believe in god are brainwashed and lack the freedom of choice. Which is the opposite of what is true and i find it ironic that freeing your mind means to believe only in what they believe.


and i repeat, most atheist that i know personally are pretty nice and truly tolerant.
however, in the media and internet there is a strong sense of elitism and hostility and in some cases extreme misinformation.
that's why the public has a fairly negative image of atheist.

Yes, it's all the victims' fault. The vaguely related people shouldn't have provoked the nice innocent bigoted populace D=

....what? i seriously cannot tell if thats sarcasm or if you responded to a post by accident.

 

[Jegsimmons]

I kind of suspect America has already had an atheist president.

Let's go with 'openly atheist' then. Most will, at the very least, pay lip service to Christianity, even if they might not believe in their hearts.

and to be honest, atheist have only themselves to blame for being so hated.

. . . alright, fine, I'll bite. Why is that?

ok, now first off, let me say...not all of them, probably not even most of them.
Lets start slow and start with this site, how many threads do you see where atheist are claiming how superior they are with science and logic, yet only focus on the bad side of religion and ignoring the scientific advancements and all the good it brings. I have seen first hand where a group of atheist claim religion is violent then turn around and called for genocide against theism...no fooling, on the site i have seen it. For a belief of just not believing in a certain faith, they tend to act pretty damn hostile, even going out of their way to slam religion. Such as in one case in this thread. the very first comment is an unnecessary slam against religious beliefs for no other reason than to slam it.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.337758-Craziest-supidest-theories-you-have-ever-heard?page=1

and for all the complaints they have against organized religion, they turn around and do the same thing. I cant tell you how many times ive seen on the news an organized atheist group bitching about a cross, and statue, or something no one else pays attention to and create controversy for no logical reason....NO REASON AT ALL!!!

Also, when i hear the phrase "free your mind", it seems to imply that people who do believe in god are brainwashed and lack the freedom of choice. Which is the opposite of what is true and i find it ironic that freeing your mind means to believe only in what they believe.


and i repeat, most atheist that i know personally are pretty nice and truly tolerant.
however, in the media and internet there is a strong sense of elitism and hostility and in some cases extreme misinformation.
that's why the public has a fairly negative image of atheist.

I think the reason that the media can find it is because the media can find anything, if they have a point of view they really want to get across, then they can put all their resources behind finding a specific type of asshole. These types of asshole will always exist for all groups because that's just how people are.

As for the internet. As militant and hostile athiests may be prominent on certain sites (this being one of them) you can find equally extremist christian or muslim examples on sites frequented by those heavily behind said religions.

So lumping us all together because you had a bad experience seems kind of harsh. But that is just my take.

oh dont get me wrong, i know most of you just want to be left alone and dont care either way.

and yes, us religious folk can be annoying as well, and honestly, most of us cant stand the over religious type who speak about shit they know nothing about...there is a few in every group.

and the media is always an enemy to everyone.

 

[ThreeWords]

In my lifetime:

1) A female president - certainly; gender is no holdback nowadays for influencing people.
2) An Atheist president - I have severe doubts; the american state is for to closely bound to the church, in my opinion; their version of christianity is treated like a political position.
3) A homosexual president - maybe. Depends how long I live, I reckon.
4) An independent (non-Republican or Democratic) president - not unless somehting really bad happens to the USA, so bad that it totally discredits any currently existing party

 

[chadachada123]

That said, maybe you aren't from the US, or maybe you live in a far-north state/community where you're not surrounded by religious nuts, but much of the US is very much impossible to live in as an atheist. Socially, atheists have it the worst in normal society.

Seriously? Please don't tell me you actually believe that? As an atheist, and a member of several other minority groups (With friends in many others) I can tell you that atheists do not have it the worst. To claim so is not only absurd, but is also insensitive to the struggles that others may have gone through. Never claim that either you (Or you group) have it worse than anyone one else, it makes you look pretty silly.

It's not like people in everyday life know you're an atheist: You don't have to wear a t-shirt disclosing it to strangers on the street. But if you're black, gay (If you're with your partner), trans, disabled, disfigured, etc: Then everyone you ever pass in everyday life can see that, even going to the shops for a pint of milk can be a terrifying experience. You can hide your identity as an atheist for much of the time, many other groups cannot. As an Atheist you do not fear for your life every time you leave your house. I'm not trying to say that I've had it any harder than you have (I'd kinda defy my own point then), perhaps your experience as an atheist has been very different to mine, but I certainly find it to be the least of my worries.

I'm sure there are groups who've had it much worse than the examples I've posted here, as I can only post things that I have a knowledge of (Some of this is from personal experience, some is from friends). And in spite of how tricky I've found my life, and in spite of how un-accepted I've been by the world, I would never dare claim that I have it the worst. Because there is always someone else who has it worse than you, and you'll offend them and belittle their experiences with comments like this.

Why the need to be the one who has it the worst? We all live different lives, that are challenging in many ways, you can't measure who has the worst, and you shouldn't try. Be grateful for what you have, focus on how good you have things compared to others, not on how bad.

Apparently you didn't even read what you are quoting. Atheists have it the worst SOCIALLY in the United States. Statistical fact. I even posted a plethora of links in the post above the one you quoted, which you apparently didn't read, either.

Atheists may not have many people angry enough at them for their lives to be at stake, but as far as social prejudices go, atheists have the most people in the US that absolutely despise them. That is a statistical fact. I'm not trying to say "boo hoo, pity us poor atheists, we have it the worst," I was making an objective observation about the *social* aspect alone. Not the legal one. Not the criminal one. Not the employment one. Atheists are, of every studied group, least likely to become president, and most-likely (more than any other religious belief) to be considered "unpatriotic" or "un-American."

Which brings it back to the person I quoted, who said that atheists aren't oppressed in the United States (false). All I was doing was showing how he is wrong.

Get off your high horse. I support all oppressed peoples, and also have the capacity to realize that some groups have it far worse in some areas compared to other groups.

 

[Tommeh Brownleh]

No, no, and no. America is too xenophobic, anything new or different will get rejected.

 

[ImSkeletor]

nah, he'd just have to play his cards right, its totally possible, conservatives dont hate atheist....just the dawkinologist.

What?

Wait

What!?

Ok, this is the conservative Wikipedia
http://conservapedia.com/Athiesm

Tell me that the WHOLE wiki page isn't anti-athiesm?

It has connections from Atheism and Communism, Atheism and mass murder, Atheism and immoral views, Atheism, pederasty and NAMBLA, Atheism and bestiality, Atheism and rape, Atheism and evolutionary racism

SERIOUSLY.
"Atheism offers no condemnation of rape and it provides no moral basis a society to attempt to prevent and deter rape."

"Although there are recent studies relating to atheism being a causal factor for suicide for some individuals"

If you believe that Conservatives have a higher chance of electing a atheist than a liberal party. You MUST be kidding yourself. Everyone, just go read how much RIDICULOUS propaganda that site has, and then compare it to wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

*Stares, mouth wide open in shock.* Holy hell, I thought I was just kidding when I said that atheists were oppressed! Wow!

As an American from the SOUTH Let me assure you I have never met ANYONE or heard of anyone who believes ANY of that. I have met people who didn't understand athiests but NEVER anyone like that.I mean I can't speak for the entirety of the country, but thats my experience. What that guy did would be comparable to pulling up the KKK website and using it as a source for how americans feel about racial equality.

 

[soes757]

1) A female president-Within 10-20 years.
2) An Atheist president-Within 10-20 years.
3) A homosexual president-Not in my lifetime.
4) An independent (non-Republican or Democratic) president-When a new party is created that isn't a joke. Independents get so little of the vote that they won't be elected anytime soon.

 

[girzwald]

Also. Why are having a gay, atheist and female presidents "accomplishments". So, until we have an atheist president in a majority religious nation.....we are incomplete? Pure stupidity. If people are supposed to be be people and everyone is supposed to be equal, then stop separating people into groups.

What you are doing is twisting meaning to say things that were not said.

What he said was about how it is not 'possible' to be an atheist president because of the current climate, and how it should be possible (note: not 'required' or 'will happen to make the country better').

What you read was some sort of implied insult about America.

Sorry, no twisting necessary. He was comparing the perceived accomplishment of overcoming of race and the election of a half black president. Then went on to ask when do people think the "accomplishment" of electing a gay, an atheist, or a woman. He wasn't listing these 3 archetypes arbitrarily, he was listing them because he equivocates NOT having a, gay, atheist, or woman president as progress not made in the course of human events and until we do, we are therefore incomplete.

And no, I did not read some sort of implied insult of America. I read stupidity on parade and exposed it.

 

[WolfThomas]

Why not all three at once?

I think in order of liklihood it goes, female, atheist and then homosexual.

 

[Paragon Fury]

Female?

Likely, and probably soon.

Homosexual?

Maybe. Maybe by the time I'm 80 or 90.

Atheist?

Not in my lifetime. Or probably the next.

 

[Joseph Harrison]

1) A female president - 5-10 years since female candidates have been gaining more and more ground, I would not be surprised if I saw a female president soon.
2) An Atheist president - 10-20 years maybe, Mitt Romney is a Mormon, which many consider to be worse than Atheist and he is the leading Republican candidate so its possible.
3) A homosexual president - Not in my lifetime, considering that in some states homosexuals aren't even given their basic rights, I doubt that there will be a homosexual president anytime soon.
4) An independent (non-Republican or Democratic) president - Never, I don't think that there ever will be a third party President, what will most likely happen is that over time the Republican party will dissolve and the Democratic party will be split into a Socialist party and a Centrist party.
5) Muslim President - When people stop using 9/11 as a curse word, I feel like this one would take the longest to achieve sole because most of America blames the entirety of the Muslim faith for 9/11.

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

2036
An openly gay transgender korean man (former woman, now with cyborg dick) will be elected in an unprecedented 49 state landslide (puerto rico and the canadian provinces voted republican, the mexican protectorate lost it's voting privileges for 6 years as a result of the Tijuana Rebellion) on a platform of "AK's For All!". His triumph over Archbishop Patel (who was at the time Vatican War-state ambassador to the United Continent) proved that the world had finally grown tired of this petulant cult. Shortly after taking office, he contacted our allies in the seaborne Scientologist theocratic nation, run under the dual leadership of Executive Director International Travolta, and his second in command, Mr. Cruise, and outsourced a tactical nuclear strike against the Vatican Space Citadel.

shortly afterword, the US, faced with creditors, declares war on china.

 

[Devil's Due]

And no, I did not read some sort of implied insult of America. I read stupidity on parade and exposed it.

Hi, this is the OP:

Please re-read my post next time instead of skimming over it and assuming stuff, such as the big disclaimer at the front stating that these are not deciding factors in a leader (and rightfully never should be), but are cultural accomplishments from a society that generally is pretty prejudicial.

So please; drop the insults and learn to read. Then we'll all have a nice and civil internet discussion, don't you agree?

Thank you, Girzwald.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

No, really, your edit is silly--who does care?

New topic: will there be a president of the United States in our life time that has less than 34 freckles, but more than 12?