Will they just put Metriod to rest...

[Dr. Paine]

HAHAHAHA HAHA HAHa ahaha haha... aha...

...ahem. Pardon me.

I'm sorry, but did you just entertain the idea that Nintendo would allow one (out of a possible three) of their first-party game series' to end? Just because the story resolved itself nicely?

(resists second fit of laughter)

The funny thing is, Metroid hasn't resolved itself nicely.

-bangs head repeatedly against a well-worn wall- Seriously. Just... ANY sort of resolution to what the end of Fusion would do. Any. Doesn't even have to be a game, I'll take word of god. (Yes, this does seriously bug me.)

 

[LeonLethality]

You kidding? It's a great series, sure there have been a few weak installments (The DS titles) but I think there has been a lot of quality, and the fact that other M is going 2D seems like an awesome throwback. Don't judge it until they release it.

Besides Prime Trilogy was the most fun I have had in a looooooong time in gaming. That should say something about how good the series still is. (And in my opinion the Prime trilogy are better than Super Metroid. So the series went up, not down to me.)

 

[Dr. Paine]

You kidding? It's a great series, sure there have been a few weak installments (The DS titles) but I think there has been a lot of quality, and the fact that other M is going 2D seems like an awesome throwback. Don't judge it until they release it.

Besides Prime Trilogy was the most fun I have had in a looooooong time in gaming. That should say something about how good the series still is. (And in my opinion the Prime trilogy are better than Super Metroid. So the series went up, not down to me.)

The Prime series is what made me into a Metroid fan.

I was getting physically ill when first playing that game, but unlike the last game to do that (Bioshock. Incidentally, I didn't pick it up again for months), I kept going until I could go for as long as I wanted. And it was awesome.

Not only is it just gorgeous to look at, challenging (Prime 2 thoroughly kicked my ass in some boss fights), and a musical masterpiece... it's also the most immersive game I've ever played. The settings, the controls, everything just really makes you feel in it. It's also amazingly well written, and knows how to pull at emotions (especially the Chozo lore in the first one)... I could go on. -shrug-

Metroid as a whole is just beyond words in terms of how good it is, but given that I'm playing the Prime trilogy (well, alternating between it and Metroid 2), it's freshest on my mind.

And if the Other M has even half the quality of the Prime series, it's more than worthy of the Metroid name.

 

[LeonLethality]

Nintendo doesn't care for the Metroid series anymore.

That's hilarious. Because of course they would fund a new game to the series they don't care about. Of course, that makes perfect sense!

Look, everyone has a rite to their own opinions but when you just jump to silly conclusions you end up looking like a fool. If they didn't care for a franchise they would let it die, not have another installment made.

 

[spectrenihlus]

Other M looks great.

 

[LeonLethality]

Not only is it just gorgeous to look at, challenging (Prime 2 thoroughly kicked my ass in some boss fights), and a musical masterpiece... it's also the most immersive game I've ever played. The settings, the controls, everything just really makes you feel in it. It's also amazingly well written, and knows how to pull at emotions (especially the Chozo lore in the first one)... I could go on. -shrug-

Yes, for last generation games they were beautiful I think they were a prime example of the Gamecube's power. The immersion and the jump to 3D was perfect, for a game like this it is easy to screw up that kind of thing but they did a fantastic job with the Prime series. There is no end to the praise I could shower these games with.

And if the Other M has even half the quality of the Prime series, it's more than worthy of the Metroid name.

I completely agree with you here. And from the looks of it, it is looking to be a pretty good installment in the series (going by the marvelous trailers, I just can't wait to play the game)

 

[Dr. Paine]

Not only is it just gorgeous to look at, challenging (Prime 2 thoroughly kicked my ass in some boss fights), and a musical masterpiece... it's also the most immersive game I've ever played. The settings, the controls, everything just really makes you feel in it. It's also amazingly well written, and knows how to pull at emotions (especially the Chozo lore in the first one)... I could go on. -shrug-

Yes, for last generation games they were beautiful I think they were a prime example of the Gamecube's power. The immersion and the jump to 3D was perfect, for a game like this it is easy to screw up that kind of thing but they did a fantastic job with the Prime series. There is no end to the praise I could shower these games with.

Hell, comparing it to 'current' generation games, Prime 1 wipes the floor in every respect. Or at least, it did with Bioshock. Hell, I put it right even with Portal, which I have praised for the same reason as the Prime series (I don't have a ton of current games, I think the latest release I've played was Left 4 Dead 2. I'm hoping to get Bioshock 2 soon).

I completely agree with you here. And from the looks of it, it is looking to be a pretty good installment in the series (going by the marvelous trailers, I just can't wait to play the game)

I've only seen the one trailer for it... but I've got to say, I want it if only for two things- A, I really am interested in seeing what part Adam plays (and if we'll see why he died?), and B... it just looks interesting, I really can't wait to see how it fits into the (very, very squished) canon.

And apparently, they're including a flashback of the death of the hatchling in Super Metroid (which I have not yet played...). In current graphics.

... yeek.

 

[Denizen]

Nintendo doesn't care for the Metroid series anymore.

That's hilarious. Because of course they would fund a new game to the series they don't care about. Of course, that makes perfect sense!

Look, everyone has a rite to their own opinions but when you just jump to silly conclusions you end up looking like a fool. If they didn't care for a franchise they would let it die, not have another installment made.

Isn't it easy to take things out of context? If you wanted to address what I said in the post, you must quote all of it and then make your reply to the whole body of it. If you didn't agree with it, that is fine but do the respect of delivering a well constructed argument within a reply instead of pure insult guised with semi-topic supplement.

Here is a little example as my reply to what you have said:

Given the nature of the word "care," allow me to illustrate the way I was using it: care for outstanding quality and distinguishable time-tested traditional aspects of the franchise. When I said that "Nintendo doesn't care for the metroid series anymore," I was using this to conclude my final argument in the post because they have breeched a part if not all of what it means to "care" (in this context). If this was all a mis-understanding then I hope this clears it up, but if not, then please be more careful when implying one is exacting the nature of a fool.

 

[LeonLethality]

You want me to address you fully? Fine.

I know Prime III wasn't as good but the truth was that Nintendo forced them to release it early. In fact, they did that to most of their franchises on the Wii

Really? Not that good? I have seen a lot of praise for Prime 3, I think 2 was the weakest in the trilogy to most (based from reactions I have seen) It really didn't feel rushed at all.

namely Brawl (code was found for characters from melee that were omitted along with other characters that never made it)

Lots of games have unused code, because in the development process there are things that get scrapped. Don't assume it was rushed just because there was unused code, that would mean almost every game is rushed.

If Nintendo would rush those games to release knowing they could cash in on their name, why would they hire Team Ninja who just makes anime-based stuff? So they can cater to their home country. Why would they throw in anime-themed melodrama (look at the trailers)and make Samus look like a androgynous teenager? Personally I can't stand to look at that, its hideous and repulsive. Did anyone look how the combat works? You can't move in first person view!

Why not hire team ninja? so far it looks to be a good job. You clearly don't like anime that much. I get that it's not for everyone but you seem pretty, well, stupid to complain that they are not catering to you oh yeah the game is 2D I would assume the combat would work like the old 2D games, The 3D looks optional.

Nintendo doesn't care for the Metroid series anymore. If they did, they would've let Retro flesh out Prime 3 and let them keep the rights to the series. Aside from that, anyone remember Metroid Dread, the real 2d sequel to the series? It was hinted in Prime 1. What happened to it? Nintendo is cashing in on its own franchises by doing remakes (as we saw from remaking pokemon games, brawl being just a few modes and characters better than melee, and a mario galaxy TWO) because they are afraid of going ahead in the story because it would mean more resources and furthering the plot to something solid. Heck, one can argue the Wii is a remake of the gamecube just marketed and hyped very well. I bought into it and stood by it for years but now its time i just stick with what doesn't fail, old games and PC.

And your argument goes completely downhill here. With the trilogy done, why wouldn't they move on to something new? You are complaining about them constantly remaking things so when they move on to something else you still complain. And Nintendo isn't the only company guilty of remaking things. Also Galaxy TWO! oh my god, remember Gears of War TWO, Resident evil TWO, Halo TWO, Star Ocean TWO, Final Fantasy TWO, Bioshock TWO. Lots of games make sequels, why are you bitching about Nintendo doing the same with Mario?

Also while the Wii shares some hardware with the gamecube there is a lot of new hardware making it superior to it. If I didn't know any better I would say some of the GCN hardware is there for better backwards compatibility (I think Sony did that with the PS2 and 3)

 

[Denizen]

Snip.

Preference for any of the prime games was just leading to my next point about rushing games on purpose. Brawl's developmental rush is a clear-cut example of data omitted due to Nintendo pushing the development to release. There was seven characters that they omitted, different modes, and a better more feature-based campaign mode than what they eventually delivered. I had only mentioned it like that to give a slight example of their most recent but subtle demonstration of rushing games/taking out precious content.

This leads back to one of the first things I brought up and what I eventually tied it in with: Nintendo rushes Retro to finish Prime 3 so they can hand the franchise to Team Ninja. I won't make wrongful accusations about your personal preference since I am more focused on the real discussion here. However I will address that I mention my distaste toward certain anime-related themes (not anime as a whole) only to highlight a symptom of a larger growing problem which is what I will address alongside what you have determined from my "supposed" problem with sequels.

The other m isn't a sequel. It is a major flashback (therefore a remake) to previous events that Samus has gone through. My reason for bringing up anime is to point directly to this, that what companies utilize in most recently developed anime is a heavy use of "filler." Filler is used to prolong the major story arc from completing right away. Therefore this game which takes place between Super Metroid (1994) and Metroid Fusion (2002) is one giant paradoxical remake. I am calling it that because in short: The entire gameplay takes place in parts of earlier missions that Samus has undertaken while story is mostly focused on melodramatic situations (the centerpoint of most character-driven scenes in action-anime) and the mysterious things that are implied in the trailer.

I am not looking forward to the game however I am morbidly impressed that Nintendo would further cash in on the franchise by paying more attention to it's home country's tastes than the one that was mostly fond of the prime series. However my fondness for the franchise makes me worried for how it is being viewed, especially for those who have the right to dictate another gaming masterpiece once again in their own studio. With that said, I won't be any of the ones who proclaims bloody murder if it bombs or someone who wishes it were different even if it is as successful as it's predecessors. What I was sharing was my interpretation and how I reached the conclusion of what choices they made in developing this game.

 

[MajoraPersona]

Let me get this straight. You want a company to stop producing games that get them a lot of money because lots of people like them enough to buy them? Because they might not match the perfection that could only be achieved on a now-obsolete system? So that you can feel nostalgic about them thirty years from now?

No. Just... No.

 

[tehweave]

I hope not. It's my favorite Nintendo series. Zelda and Mario games lack SPACE JUMP.

It's going uphill, imo. Well, uphill considering that everything after Super Metroid isn't as good, but the Prime series is fantasic. And don't judge "Other M" until its out.

TELL THEM IT GIVES YOU SPACE JUMP.

It also gives you space jump.

DAMN SKIPPY!!!

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Anywho... Other M looks very odd, to be honest, but I don't think nintendo should can the franchise. Sure, Metriod Prime 2 is on my personal top ten of "I hate this game" list. But the series as a whole has rarely not been fun. And frankly, we're here to have fun, right?

Right?

(pause for effect)

DAMN SKIPPY!!!

 

[Edorf]

When it comes to Nintendo, it's NEVER a good idea to stop.

 

[Manji187]

I have my doubts whether Other M will deliver but Metroid could definitely use another reimagining.

Oh, and a real story would be nice...cuz OH NOES DARK SAMUS MUST DIE!!! is rather weak.

Some motivation wouldn't be bad either...as sometimes I get the feeling that Samus does her missions only because I, being some malevolent shaman, take control of her body and force her to do stuff.

 

[Hap2]

I have to disagree, Fusion and the first two Prime games are excellent. All three do such an amazing job of creating an intense and lonely atmosphere.

 

[child of lileth]

I'm not too excited for Other M, and I didn't really like the story for the Prime games, but other than that, I love the series. I just don't like some of how the gameplay worked in the original game though.

I don't think there's been enough of the series to say to put it to rest though. How many Zeldas and Marios have we had? And you think something with a handful of games is too much, especially when there was only one gimmick game (Metroid Pinball) in the series, compared to all the party and sports games Mario has had?