Windows 10 to Force Updates

[MysticSlayer]

It isn't exactly 100% new that Windows 10 would force install updates for Home users [http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-win_upgrade/does-windows-update-force-install-of-optional/3b477ecc-e3c6-405c-bef8-7bdcc657b2bb] (so it won't affect Pro, Enterprise, and Education users), but it has also begun to come out that people won't be able to bypass this feature [http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/windows-10-updates-to-be-automatic-and-mandatory-for-home-users/]. You are able to control the restart, but that's about it. Now, this isn't exactly new for a desktop OS, as I'm pretty sure Chrome OS already does this, but that's a really minor player in the market. It certainly isn't on Windows's level.

I was just wondering what other people think of this. Most people I know probably wouldn't care about this so long as they can prevent an automatic restart, but I was wondering what other people's views on it were.

 

[EvilRoy]

Well, as long as I am able to dig back and pull things out if necessary I don't actually believe it is a big deal. I can deny or throttle internet access if necessary, but realistically most updates are largely benign and reasonably small. They aren't going to brick my computer, and unless I'm downloading a game or watching a movie I don't really mind the internet usage.

These days I typically allow all updates including applicable optional updates, and only later go back to remove problematic updates. And knowingly deciding which updates to allow or deny wouldn't necessarily prevent the problems I have had that force me to pull one. Security update KXQC188912 looks pretty damn normal, and without an extensive net search I'm not going to find out until much later that it is breaking my .net framework.

Edit:

Now that I think on it a bit more, this might actually be GOOD. With forced updates there will be significantly more impetus to produce updates that don't accidentally break other stuff, or at least that fixes will be issued for problems they make. Right now I don't have a .net framework thanks to an update issue I'm too lazy to fix, and it would be nice if they did it for me.

 

[Elfgore]

I haven't updated my Windows 8 in over a year now. Wanna know why? Because last time I did so it completely broke my PC down for two weeks, cost me a hundred dollars, and I had to completely reinstall Windows and all of my other applications.

If you couldn't guess, I'm very against forced-updating. I'm already pissed that they hid the update options so deep in your computer you need a map and torch to find it. Forcing me no matter what to update can just fuck the right off.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

I haven't updated my Windows 8 in over a year now. Wanna know why? Because last time I did so it completely broke my PC down for two weeks, cost me a hundred dollars, and I had to completely reinstall Windows and all of my other applications.

If you couldn't guess, I'm very against forced-updating. I'm already pissed that they hid the update options so deep in your computer you need a map and torch to find it. Forcing me no matter what to update can just fuck the right off.

Annnnnnnnd this is why I'm very against this idea too.

I haven't personally been hit with an update bricking my computer often but goood lord, when it happens...

 

[Mazinger-Z]

I haven't updated my Windows 8 in over a year now. Wanna know why? Because last time I did so it completely broke my PC down for two weeks, cost me a hundred dollars, and I had to completely reinstall Windows and all of my other applications.

If you couldn't guess, I'm very against forced-updating. I'm already pissed that they hid the update options so deep in your computer you need a map and torch to find it. Forcing me no matter what to update can just fuck the right off.

I wish there was a way to tell Apple that I'm still cool with being on the Jungle Cat OS and can give two shits on their bloatware Mavericks.

That said, I'm generally always an OS generation behind. I need to pick up some 8 OEMs while I can.

 

[MysticSlayer]

I wish there was a way to tell Apple that I'm still cool with being on the Jungle Cat OS and can give two shits on their bloatware Mavericks.

I'm surprised they're still trying to get you to upgrade to Mavericks since it is going on two generations behind. At the very least, though, they stopped pestering me to upgrade to Yosemite after like a month, though they'll probably start pestering me to upgrade to El Capitan once it comes out (provided I have a reason to jump over to the Mac partition on my computer).

But anyways, consider yourself lucky to not have to upgrade to Mavericks. I tried my best to stick with Snow Leopard and would have been OK with Mountain Lion (at least my brother really likes it). Unfortunately, a program I needed would only run on Mavericks, and my computer was never as nice to use since (at least until I started dual-booting Xubuntu). It was slow, filled with bloat, and was prone to freezing the computer. Yeah, it was still Mac, so it was still a step up from Windows in my opinion (though just barely if I'm comparing it to Windows 7), but it was a rather crappy version of Mac in my opinion.

 

[Mazinger-Z]

I wish there was a way to tell Apple that I'm still cool with being on the Jungle Cat OS and can give two shits on their bloatware Mavericks.

I'm surprised they're still trying to get you to upgrade to Mavericks since it is going on two generations behind. At the very least, though, they stopped pestering me to upgrade to Yosemite after like a month, though they'll probably start pestering me to upgrade to El Capitan once it comes out (provided I have a reason to jump over to the Mac partition on my computer).

But anyways, consider yourself lucky to not have to upgrade to Mavericks. I tried my best to stick with Snow Leopard and would have been OK with Mountain Lion (at least my brother really likes it). Unfortunately, a program I needed would only run on Mavericks, and my computer was never as nice to use since (at least until I started dual-booting Xubuntu). It was slow, filled with bloat, and was prone to freezing the computer. Yeah, it was still Mac, so it was still a step up from Windows in my opinion (though just barely if I'm comparing it to Windows 7), but it was a rather crappy version of Mac in my opinion.

Might be Yosemite. Point being, bought my laptop just before Mavericks was a thing and they still pester me to update.

Apple's entire model is to trick you into upgrading to their latest OS which is designed to only really run well on the current generation of hardware. I'm still on iOS 7 for my iPad 3, because iOS 8 practically bricks it. And they refuse to let you downgrade.

 

[Hoplon]

It isn't exactly 100% new that Windows 10 would force install updates for Home users [http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-win_upgrade/does-windows-update-force-install-of-optional/3b477ecc-e3c6-405c-bef8-7bdcc657b2bb], which basically means those not on one of their Enterprise or Education versions, but it has also begun to come out that people won't be able to bypass this feature [http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/windows-10-updates-to-be-automatic-and-mandatory-for-home-users/]. You are able to control the restart, but that's about it. Now, this isn't exactly new for a desktop OS, as I'm pretty sure Chrome OS already does this, but that's a really minor player in the market. It certainly isn't on Windows's level.

I was just wondering what other people think of this. Most people I know probably wouldn't care about this so long as they can prevent an automatic restart, but I was wondering what other people's views on it were.

Yeah. no. it only forces the getting of the updates not the installing it or restarts. source: I'm using it right now. in the preview program as a windows pro. Home version as I don't do enterprise right now.

 

[kasperbbs]

I'm not bothered by it. I never had issues with windows updates and i keep autoupdating on anyway. The only time that windows updates pissed me off was on XP when they had those pop up messages that would restart your PC if you didn't click on them, most of the time it was during my gaming sessions online when my PC unexpectedly shut down and started installing shit without my consent.

 

[CrazyGirl17]

So... is the update worth it? I'm not very technosavy, so I have no idea if it's a good idea or not...

 

[MysticSlayer]

It isn't exactly 100% new that Windows 10 would force install updates for Home users [http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-win_upgrade/does-windows-update-force-install-of-optional/3b477ecc-e3c6-405c-bef8-7bdcc657b2bb], which basically means those not on one of their Enterprise or Education versions, but it has also begun to come out that people won't be able to bypass this feature [http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/windows-10-updates-to-be-automatic-and-mandatory-for-home-users/]. You are able to control the restart, but that's about it. Now, this isn't exactly new for a desktop OS, as I'm pretty sure Chrome OS already does this, but that's a really minor player in the market. It certainly isn't on Windows's level.

I was just wondering what other people think of this. Most people I know probably wouldn't care about this so long as they can prevent an automatic restart, but I was wondering what other people's views on it were.

Yeah. no. it only forces the getting of the updates not the installing it or restarts. source: I'm using it right now. in the preview program as a windows pro. Home version as I don't do enterprise right now.

Sorry, I should have added Pro to the list of ones where it isn't forced. I figured the first link would catch any I missed putting in, but I guess not. I've updated the post to reflect that.

 

[Fayathon]

Yeah, that little icon telling me to upgrade from Win7 to Win10 can fuck off harder now. Then again, I had no intention of going to Win10 to begin with considering how much I hated having Win8 on my laptop. My next OS will probably be Steam or Ubuntu, but I don't have a reason to update any time soon, so I'm not going to.

Quick edit: I don't have the icon showing, but I know it's there, lurking, and waiting. So it can still fuck off.

 

[KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime]

This is why I'm very proud to use Lubuntu at the moment. I can ignore updates all together if I want, auto update always asks before it does an update. Also I've never had a Linux update break anything.

Edit:

That said, I'm generally always an OS generation behind. I need to pick up some 8 OEMs while I can.

Newegg and Buycheapsoftware both still sell windows 7 OEMs, so 8 Will be around as an OEM for a while longer. Apparently at Buycheapsoftware you can still get retail boxes of 7 and OEMs of XP so no real need to worry yet.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Yeah, that little icon telling me to upgrade from Win7 to Win10 can fuck off harder now.

Ironically enough, a recent Win7 update made that icon stop springing back up after a restart after I set the taskbar to hide it.

I understand the desire to force all users to keep updated in order to avoid security holes (DDoS attacks, after all, are almost entirely carried out by botnets made up of compromised computers) but having a system end up with problems, or even completely bricked, after a Windows update is not at all unheard of, even these days. It's just gonna take one major instance of that with Win10 for the userbase to cry bloody murder.

 

[Morti]

I'm ok with it for the home version, because it is just that, the version for the unwashed masses who just want to check facebook. I wouldn't trust them to keep it up to date and it wouldn't be hard to accidently have it turned off(know-it-all teen, inatentive technician after a repair, malware, etc).

 

[JustAnotherAardvark]

I'm happy with Windows 7, thanks MS. After that, I doubt I'll still be using an MS OS unless something serious changes.

I know, right?

"Too many people like Win 7 ... so, how many ways can we screw it up for them in the next versions?"

This is why I'm very proud to use Lubuntu at the moment. I can ignore updates all together if I want, auto update always asks before it does an update. Also I've never had a Linux update break anything.

How is that for gaming? Every year I tell myself "This year ... this year I'll check it out ..." but I'm too fundamentally lazy, I guess.

 

[Vigormortis]

Is this really a surprise?

They've made it known Windows 10 will be the 'last Windows OS for the foreseeable future', implying they're switching to a service-platform model for the OS. As a result, 'forced' updates are pretty much par for the course.

Not sure how I feel on this just yet, I have many thoughts on the matter, but I'm certainly not surprised.

 

[Denamic]

I'm okay with it. Home users tend to be the less computer-savvy ones. My mother has not once installed any kind of update on any of the laptops she's had. And if there's a popup, she will leave it there indefinitely. I'm her computer maintenance. Force that shit.