Windows 7: Now that it's had time to set in.

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Dys

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Right, before you jump on the "search bar" bandwagon, don't. I know that a few months ago there was an influx of these types of threads, and I don't care. This is specificially aimed at those who have been using windows 7 for a while now.
[small]Think of it as a mini reveiw/cry for help from those who may know as well as general interest of who's sticking with it[/small]

My experiences so far have been overall negative, I am probably going back to vista soon (I'll explain why shortly).

I decided to install it a few months ago, on impulse as my brother had a copy. I'd previously been running windows vista and had taken the time to spend 15 minutes (well, maybe it was a few hours, I like teaking with things so it didn't phase me) setting everything up, that is to say I was very happy with its performance/interface and had no real reason to upgrade. Of course, this was around the time that all the vista haters were claiming that it was "so much better" so I thought, "fuck it, it can't have gone backwards". I was somewhat right. I'm one of those few people who liked the vista interface, I dunno why, maybe chalk it up to my undying hatred of XP (I'll save that rant for another time). Windows 7 seemed to build on that. I like the layout of the desktop more, as well as the ease of setting things (though the new start bar took a little bit of getting used to, I'm used of it now though). It just works for me. [small]*edit* google doesn't seem to know anything about this problem, so I'd assume it's a fairly rare one[/small]

Unfortunately, this is about where the good news ends. I haven't noticed any significant performance improvements for basic applications, though that is probably more to do with my current computer having too much power to be slowed down by basic tasks. So, as a gamer, I was keen to test out how games play. Unfortunately a combination of ATI and windows 7 decided I shouldn't (I should probably point out that I have two of the 1gb ATI 2900XTs in my rig, not strictly the easiest cards to work with and I have to accept a reasonable amount of bugs/glitches/crashes because of this, though I got next to none in vista, less than my old nvidia 7600GS did in xp in fact). Basicially, the gist of the crash is that a few minutes after loading the game (anywhere between 3 and 10 minutes) the display drivers stop responding, and then reset (I'm sure many of you have seen the error, both nvidia and ati cards get them from time to time in vista and I imagine it's not otherwise unheard of in 7), this crashes every game I've tried. It also sometimes happens if I'm watching films in windows media player, though I think that may be a seperate glitch as I've changed some things and it's happening far less now (I've had two updates since I started using the OS and no fix so I'm losing hope, I've tried all the obvious turn crossfirex on/off, reset to standard clocks, moniter tempuratures etc). Pretty heavy bummer (this would be the part where if anyone has any similar experiences, especially in the way of knowledge of how to fix it, I'd very much appreciate you sharing).

I still have an old copy of XP as an alternate boot however, so this isn't the end of the world (though it is annoying having to reboot into another OS if I want to game). The real kick in the shins, the major fuck up that I didn't expect was a windows update bricking the system. I have since heard that there was a legitimate problem (with a security update, I didn't hear from a reliable source so there's every chance it was just my computer being temperamental). Bascially windows failed to load, and I couldn't repair it with the boot disk. Eventually I worked out that rolling back the updates in safe mode would fix it (so it wasn't a particularly difficult fix, but it still pissed me off).

So, basicially, in the two odd months I've been using windows 7 I've had more issues than I had for 2 odd years running vista, so obviously I wouldn't see it as an improvement on vista. I'd be surprised if many other people are finding it as problematic as I am, but have you noticed any general problems? Do the majority of people still maintain it's the best microsoft system available (as many seemed to think earlier)? And, most importantly, can somebody please snap their fingers and make my graphics drivers work?
 

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And this is why I'm not upgrading to Windows 7 until the first service pack is released to fix any of the bugs it may have in it, and even then I'm not sure if I'll upgrade yet.
 

Dys

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fluffybacon said:
Windows 7 is fucking great.

I blame user error on this one.

Also, if you actually are having gfx card problems, it's ati's fault, not m$'s
Well, the problem is I don't know on whos end, I've read about both ATI and microsoft having fucked up like this in the past and released hotfixes, in this case I don't know who's problem it is (I'm inclined to agree it's ATIs as they use the same drivers for 7 as they do for vista). You were probably closer with user error, this is what you get when you buy niche market overkill GPUs.

When you say it's great, how do you mean? What is it you like about it? Just the general performance tweaks or is the the whole aethsetic package? I'm rather surprised I've not heard more people complaining about how it looks, especially the start bar as it is very different from the classic windows style.
 

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What the fuck is everyone complaining about?

I have had Windows 7 for about 3 or 4 months and i have had not one single problem with it.
 

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Same. Hell, I had the release client for 4 months before actually buying it and I still had full compatibility with my games and hardware. I had to go online for some nVidia drivers but that only took 5 minutes and a restart, and I never had another problem again. This might contribute to the lack of Win7 topics nowadays, it's too good for a lot of people to ***** and moan about them.
 

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From what I've heard, Windows 7 seems mostly similar to Vista - apperantly its coding is less sloppy but a good friend of mine who has made the jump says he has noticed next to know difference. Which means I'm most likely just sticking with Vista mysels. Especially now that you mentioned the driver reset game crash which I already ocassionaly get on some games on Vista.
 

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Windows 7 have worked without a single hitch thus far, at least for me.
Well, apart from the fact that the DRM that comes with Dreamfall: The Longest Journey is terminally incompatible with it; but I blame digital rights management for that.
 

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A guy brought a laptop into my work with windows media player crashing during movies after a windows 7 upgrade. I dunno if it's a bug because the guy also added a bunch of start up applications after the upgrade. Basically when his computer finished loading from start up, about 97% of the RAM was in use. I sold him a memory upgrade, told him movies may still crash but this will likely help, and haven't seen him since a week ago. *crosses fingers to not see him*

There also seem to be some minor networking bugs. Network icon saying "no internet access" even though you're on the web. I've seen it from two different manufacturers so for some reason 7 doesn't like our network. It works- not totally right, but it works. Also had customers return computers that did this with their home network/hangout.
 

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For me the first thing I checked was how much RAM it uses while idling and it was just above half of what Vista used. Not to mention that I love the new interface, I'm sticking with 7.

On the graphics driver issue, fluffybacon is correct. It is ATI's job to provide you with drivers that work with your operating system, not Microsoft's job to provide you with an operating system that works with your drivers. If ATI has since stopped supporting the 2900XTs, then that is a separate issue altogether.
 

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I've had no issues with Windows 7 for the 6 months or so that I've been using it. I have a Radeon HD4850 and it's worked just fine with Vista and 7. Better than with XP, in fact.
 

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I've had no problems. I had Vista and for me that was just a ridiculous bug-ridden memory hog. For Windows 7, I don't really notice I'm using it 99% of the time which is how an OS should be IMO.
 

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Windows 7 has been much better for me, I absolutely hated Vista, it is a true piece of shit OS, bloatware. Might as well call it Vista Millenium. I haven't had any problems with 7 yet, other than the windows update not wanting to work. I would assume that after a good SP it will be in pretty decent shape.
 

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I have had three "major" problems with Windows 7, the paint program it comes with tries to hard to be like an actual photoshop tool (I use paint for sprite editing), there are no more words in the start bar (I want to read what program I'm about to click on, this problem also goes with number three), and Everything bunches up making you do a double click session. (No I haven't looked extensively for ways around these minor and laughable problems, just to lazy).

It's really mainly my love of sprite editing that makes Windows 7 and enjoyable experience. You see In XP/Vista it would read my the title of the program and that was perfect with me!


Either way Vista wasn't as bad as people said it was, some guy actually said that since he couldn't find backup he hated Vista. It took me all but five seconds finding the back up. Start>All Programs>Backup.
 

Dys

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fluffybacon said:
Dys said:
fluffybacon said:
Windows 7 is fucking great.

I blame user error on this one.

Also, if you actually are having gfx card problems, it's ati's fault, not m$'s
Well, the problem is I don't know on whos end, I've read about both ATI and microsoft having fucked up like this in the past and released hotfixes, in this case I don't know who's problem it is (I'm inclined to agree it's ATIs as they use the same drivers for 7 as they do for vista). You were probably closer with user error, this is what you get when you buy niche market overkill GPUs.

When you say it's great, how do you mean? What is it you like about it? Just the general performance tweaks or is the the whole aethsetic package? I'm rather surprised I've not heard more people complaining about how it looks, especially the start bar as it is very different from the classic windows style.
By great I mean that it just works. It's fast as hell and I haven't had a single crash or problem with it.

Now it's tech support time:

1. Are you running the latest cata drivers (from ati's website?)
2. Just how hot are your cards running? Because the problems that you described sound like classic overheating to me (I know you checked this, just curious)
Right now I'm using catalyst 9.9, the latest being 9.12 (I rolled back last night). I've tried with 9.10,9.11 and 9.12 all with the same problem. Graphics tempuratures are relatively high (it's summer in Australia, so it's approaching 40 degrees outside) however the primary card doesn't seem to go above 90 degrees (I've not seen it above 90 degrees), which shouldn't be crashing (it certainly wasn't in previous OSs). The secondary card is typicially a lot cooler than the primary (I've not been running crossfireX due to only a handful of games supporting it).

I might just try switching the cards, there's a chance the primary one is damaged :S. I'm not convinced it's a physical problem as everything still works in my xp dual boot, however I'm now at the stage where physicially moving things around is the only thing I've not tried.
 

Dys

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fluffybacon said:
Dys said:
fluffybacon said:
Dys said:
fluffybacon said:
Windows 7 is fucking great.

I blame user error on this one.

Also, if you actually are having gfx card problems, it's ati's fault, not m$'s
Well, the problem is I don't know on whos end, I've read about both ATI and microsoft having fucked up like this in the past and released hotfixes, in this case I don't know who's problem it is (I'm inclined to agree it's ATIs as they use the same drivers for 7 as they do for vista). You were probably closer with user error, this is what you get when you buy niche market overkill GPUs.

When you say it's great, how do you mean? What is it you like about it? Just the general performance tweaks or is the the whole aethsetic package? I'm rather surprised I've not heard more people complaining about how it looks, especially the start bar as it is very different from the classic windows style.
By great I mean that it just works. It's fast as hell and I haven't had a single crash or problem with it.

Now it's tech support time:

1. Are you running the latest cata drivers (from ati's website?)
2. Just how hot are your cards running? Because the problems that you described sound like classic overheating to me (I know you checked this, just curious)
Right now I'm using catalyst 9.9, the latest being 9.12 (I rolled back last night). I've tried with 9.10,9.11 and 9.12 all with the same problem. Graphics tempuratures are relatively high (it's summer in Australia, so it's approaching 40 degrees outside) however the primary card doesn't seem to go above 90 degrees (I've not seen it above 90 degrees), which shouldn't be crashing (it certainly wasn't in previous OSs). The secondary card is typicially a lot cooler than the primary (I've not been running crossfireX due to only a handful of games supporting it).

I might just try switching the cards, there's a chance the primary one is damaged :S. I'm not convinced it's a physical problem as everything still works in my xp dual boot, however I'm now at the stage where physicially moving things around is the only thing I've not tried.
90C?! That's F***ing hot!!
I know that most cards are designed to handle up to 100C or so (and these have been running fine at these temps before), but seeing as these are a tad old they may (now) not be up to it. Or maybe they are just not as stable at high temps in 7 (for whatever reason). The Primary card is going to be a hotter as it is sitting right above the secondary (assuming your secondary is on bottom) and drawing in hot air straight off of it.

Try this:

Download rivatuner [http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=163 ](i swear by it, best program ever)

And set the fan speed on both the cards to 100%.(use this guide if you need halp). [http://www.guru3d.com/article/rivatuner-20-fan-speed--overclock-guide/] Play a game (using Xfire preferably)

See how hot it gets and if it crashes.

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For the record I am running 2 1gb 4870's and the latest cata and everything has been smooth sailing with me.
I have done so, and in fact I have an update. I've been getting two seperate crashes that in my annoyance I didn't distinguish. Apparently I was getting some overheating issues (or at least issues that are fixed by forcing 100% on them ol' heatsyncs, like I said it's rare for them to hit anything above the 90 degree mark and even when it does, that doesn't consistantly crash them so really that just confuses me). However, even running at a constant 65 degrees celcious (barely above room tempurature....I think I'd die without aircon, my aircon must be god because it can keep my system well below 70 degrees under strain on 40 degree+ days) most games will crash. At this point I'm guessing that it must be a combination of things, because the internet hasn't been complaining about these issues at all, ultimately I am going to reinstall vista. Of course, there's every chance that it will be fixed before I bother, as I've now expanded the list of working games from plants vs zombies, it now includes killingfloor and team fortress 2 :)
 

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I've been using nothing but the beta since the beginning of this year and aside from a few problems waking up my system before I got the release candidate, I have had no problems whatsoever. Granted I don't play games with my PC except for the ones I had from 10 or more years ago (mainly because of my shitty graphics card), it's still a solid OS from my experience. I'd rather go back to Windows 98 before I reinstall Vista. It was gaudy, nothing worked, and it bogged down my brand new computer, which should never happen.