With the reveal of the PS4 and it's specs, is the WiiU in trouble?

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In case you haven't seen the PS4 specs by now (there may be 1 or 2 people who haven't).

CPU: AMD 8 core x86-64
GPU: AMD Next gen Radeon based graphics engine, 1.84 TFlops
RAM: 8 GB GDDR5 Shared

Do you think this will leave Nintendo with a less successful repeat of the Wii? Will the WiiU be too weak to run next gen games and therefore not receive ports and receive only minimal third party support?

1) Will Nintendo replace the WiiU in the next couple of years?
2) Will we see a price drop on the WiiU?

3) Will the WiiU come out on top like the Wii?
 

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Well, the Wii was offering something unique, motion controls. It was the perfect storm and the Wii flew off the shelves despite the fact that it was so much weaker than it's competition. There isn't anything that unique about the WiiU but it also brings the same weaknesses with it.
 

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A lot depends on exactly what games Sony has lined up for the PS4 at its launch (I've heard that Watch Dogs will be one of them? If so, units will be flying off the shelves) and its pricing point.

Either way, Nintendo are in trouble, especially since the WiiU is lacking in the game department right now. There's not really that many games that people would blindly purchase a WiiU for. Once Zelda (also including Wind Waker HD), Metroid, and Smash Bros. hit the shelves, then the WiiUs will really be selling like they should. Nintendo are already falling behind in units sold since they're starting out 2013 bone dry. We're expecting to see more and more games delivered to us from March on, though.

Plus the advertising for the WiiU is completely horrid. There are still so many people who think it's only a gamepad addition to the Wii; others don't see the point in buying a Nintendo console after they "handed themselves over to the casuals" (I so hate the whole "casual" vs "hardcore" gamer thing going around). So, unless you're a die-hard Nintendo fanboy, not many people are running out to get themselves a WiiU.

Some intense competition and expectations are starting to build when it comes to this years E3. I'm more of a Nintendo fan, but competition is sweet, especially when it comes to the gaming industry. The more intense the competition, the better.

But here's to hoping Nintendo start throwing some quality games for the WiiU our way.
 

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I never really got who the Wii U was for

"casual" crowd are likely shifting to tablets and smartphones...the core crowd probably wants somthing with more power and garunteed decent 3rd party support, eather way we all knew this thing would be underpowered from the get go

I could be wrong of coarse...
 

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We sort of all knew this would happen right? When people kept on talking about when the next-gen consoles would be announced, even though the WiiU had been on the shelves for ages already it seemed like it was going to skip over us.

I don't know if Nintendo are in trouble, but it#s going to be this gen all over again, Bayonetta may be one of the last big serious non-Nintendo titles to be released on the Wii U and if not then it's going to get the standard gimped version the Wii sometimes got.

But there's still a chance they'll be able to convince some of the Wii owners to upgrade. It even still uses Wii motes. Tablets aren't as immediately appealing to that sort of crowd (you lose the laughing at friends looking silly factor) but maybe if the next Just Dance comes out only on the Wii U then they can push an upgrade with enough advertising. Possibly.

I don't know what Nintendo will do if the Wii U doesn't work out. I don't think they can push out another console quickly enough that would be competitive. Maybe they'd jump back to normal the generation after this one, but then again, by that time they could do a hardware replacement of the Wii and it would probably make a bucketload again.

Nintendo have problem got enough gold hoards that they can survive the Wii U being the gamecube all over again. But this might be a chance for the Kinect and the Move to begin muscling in on that market if their prices are low enough
 

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I havnt really been following the Wii U since the release of a games list that only had a single game on it I wanted to play (monster hunter) so I may be out of the loop here. The issue I see with it is everything that makes the Wii U desirable is kind of down the road stuff. Theres really nothing enticing for it right now, or at least nothing I or any of my friends are really wanting to get.

Much like the PSvita, Wii, or Dreamcast there just arent many good games for it. So without a big library of games few people can justify buying the console for just a few good ones. Even right now Im kind of regreting getting my PSvita because I only play Persona 4, Silent hill book of memories, and Zone of enders. I mean it was a $250 machine and I play 3 games on it, thats not a good investment IMO

This is still my problem with the Wii U. I cant justify buying it because theres almost nothing on the platform I want to play and so far only 1 down the road I have any interest in. PS4 specs wont change that
 

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Windcaler said:
I havnt really been following the Wii U since the release of a games list that only had a single game on it I wanted to play (monster hunter) so I may be out of the loop here. The issue I see with it is everything that makes the Wii U desirable is kind of down the road stuff. Theres really nothing enticing for it right now, or at least nothing I or any of my friends are really wanting to get.

Much like the PSvita, Wii, or Dreamcast there just arent many good games for it. So without a big library of games few people can justify buying the console for just a few good ones. Even right now Im kind of regreting getting my PSvita because I only play Persona 4, Silent hill book of memories, and Zone of enders. I mean it was a $250 machine and I play 3 games on it, thats not a good investment IMO

This is still my problem with the Wii U. I cant justify buying it because theres almost nothing on the platform I want to play and so far only 1 down the road I have any interest in. PS4 specs wont change that
What PS4 specs do change is third party support for the WiiU though. The 720 specs will likely be close to the PS4 which will once again leave Nintendo's box out in the cold where ports are concerned.
 

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If all you care about is specifications, I guess. I couldn't give two shits how strong a console is, I don't build it myself. I want good games. If it's another 7 years of two watered down PCs and a unique console with Mario, Zelda and a few fun third party titles, I think I'll just skip the watered down PCs this time. I dunno', I might skip Wii U too, though. Zelda and SMTxFE can't really justify hundreds of dollars.

Although I really hope SMTxFE will come close. ;_;
 

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Cheesepower5 said:
If all you care about is specifications, I guess. I couldn't give two shits how strong a console is, I don't build it myself. I want good games. If it's another 7 years of two watered down PCs and a unique console with Mario, Zelda and a few fun third party titles, I think I'll just skip the watered down PCs this time. I dunno', I might skip Wii U too, though. Zelda and SMTxFE can't really justify hundreds of dollars.

Although I really hope SMTxFE will come close. ;_;
Oh no, it's not that I only care about specs, it's that if the gap is too big then the WiiU will be left out in the cold and will not have the most important thing, games.

I have to tell you that I didn't care much for the first party games on the Wii. I prefer 64 and Sunshine to the Galaxy game and I prefer Wind Waker to Skyward Sword, Super Paper Mario was the worst entry until Sticker Star came along. Most of what I played on the Wii was Virtual Console stuff. It's all about the games but after the Wii I no longer trust Nintendo to put out better games than third parties.

Now Jeffers seems to think that porting won't be an issue and that the WiiU will be able to run next gen games on low settings. I hope he's right but even still, who would prefer the lowest settings version of a game?
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Crono1973 said:
Cheesepower5 said:
If all you care about is specifications, I guess. I couldn't give two shits how strong a console is, I don't build it myself. I want good games. If it's another 7 years of two watered down PCs and a unique console with Mario, Zelda and a few fun third party titles, I think I'll just skip the watered down PCs this time. I dunno', I might skip Wii U too, though. Zelda and SMTxFE can't really justify hundreds of dollars.

Although I really hope SMTxFE will come close. ;_;
Oh no, it's not that I only care about specs, it's that if the gap is too big then the WiiU will be left out in the cold and will not have the most important thing, games.

I have to tell you that I didn't care much for the first party games on the Wii. I prefer 64 and Sunshine to the Galaxy game and I prefer Wind Waker to Skyward Sword, Super Paper Mario was the worst entry until Sticker Star came along. Most of what I played on the Wii was Virtual Console stuff. It's all about the games but after the Wii I no longer trust Nintendo to put out better games than third parties.

Now Jeffers seems to think that porting won't be an issue and that the WiiU will be able to run next gen games on low settings. I hope he's right but even still, who would prefer the lowest settings version of a game?
I don't know. People evidently were happy with low-settings versions of games like Resident Evil 4 on PS2. Probably the same people who put good gameplay and strong art direction above pure graphics tech.

And you may not like Galaxy or Skyward Sword, and that's totally your right to (though personally I think you're a bit odd for not liking Galaxy at least), but you also should recognise that on a general level, Nintendo's games tend to be reviewed incredibly well. It's very rare that Nintendo puts out a legitimately bad game. It's not often that they put out a mediocre one. Generally, the worst you can say about most Nintendo games is that they may not live up to expectations, but that's usually at their worst. You may not like Sticker Star, for instance, but it still got the best Handheld awars at D.I.C.E. Other M got a rocky response, but as a game it worked perfectly fine. It was more the story that people got really upset about.

And at their best, Nintendo release games which get absolutely rapturous receptions from critics and gamers. Games like Galaxy, Metroid Prime Trilogy, DCKR, Fire Emblem: Awakening, Mario Land 3D, Skyward Sword, Kirby's Epic Yarn and others. And they seem to be able to do that with more reliability than any other developer out there, bar Valve. Other publishers like EA or Ubisoft regularly put out stuff that turns out to be crap, or engage in generally dickish behaviour. Nintendo, you have to dig to really hard to find the turds.

And that gives them a massive advantage. Microsoft has to rely on third parties, because they've only got two exclusives worth a damn, and both of them are already starting to show their age. Sony has got more exclusives, but very few of them have the same level of acclaim. Nintendo has managed to carve out a reputation on first-party titles of a very high caliber, and that does sell consoles. Right now, Nintendo is still keeping its first-party heavy hitters like Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros and Metroid under wraps. Once they start revealing and releasing them this year (which they've already hinted at) sales will pick up. They always do. Until Nintendo starts shitting on their legacy and making actually crap games, new Nintendo games will always get people's attention.
Maybe more people played RE4 on the PS2 because there were more PS2's in circulation. May have had nothing to do with the game settings. Tales of Symphonia was also released on the PS2 in Japan but it ran much better on the Gamecube. I wonder if it sold more on the PS2 anyway.

I liked Galaxy, just not as much as Sunshine or 64.

Sticker Star got a handheld award but it's a console franchise and it probably wouldn't receive any awards if it were on a console. I guess I wanted a console Paper Mario experience.

Yeah, Nintendo does have a better record for quality titles than any other developer. I will agree to that, I am still enjoying Fire Emblem Awakening. It's the first SRPG that I think is as good as the original Final Fantasy Tactics.
 

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Actually, the Gamecube was cheaper than the PS2. Gamecube $199, PS2 $299

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=1296

WiiU Deluxe is $350 so a $400-$450 PS4 would be in line with the PS2 generation. I don't think the PS4 will go over $500 but we will see. Sony has said (so I read on NeoGaf) that they won't price it at $599 or higher.

Nintendo has always had third party support on handhelds, it's on consoles where they have problems and I am not convinced that will change this gen.
 

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Yes I think atm the WiiU is in big trouble, for one it's too expensive, especially if the PS4 is to be priced around £300. It needs to be slashed to around the £200 mark to make it attractive to casuals and parents.

Atm in the UK, retailers are treating it as toxic, it's slung to the back of the store with very little shelf space given to it, no working demonstration models no nothing. It's just as bad in supermarkets like Tescos where a single console and a couple of games are lost in amongst aload of Wii games and peripherals. Hell even the Vita gets more store presence.

If Ninty don't sort themselves out fast they will find the WiiU just not been stoked by retailers when the PS4 and Durango launch there's just too many old and new consoles fighting for limited shelf space.

Sure there are the old ninty favorites but I think fans shouldn't consider Mario as a golden ticket to success, especially when New Super Mario Bros U didn't set the world on light and there is a distinct lack of 1st and 3rd killer apps for the system.
 

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TrevHead said:
Yes I think atm the WiiU is in big trouble, for one it's too expensive, especially if the PS4 is to be priced around £300. It needs to be slashed to around the £200 mark to make it attractive to casuals and parents.

Atm in the UK, retailers are treating it as toxic, it's slung to the back of the store with very little shelf space given to it, no working demonstration models no nothing. It's just as bad in supermarkets like Tescos where a single console and a couple of games are lost in amongst aload of Wii games and peripherals. Hell even the Vita gets more store presence.

If Ninty don't sort themselves out fast they will find the WiiU just not been stoked by retailers when the PS4 and Durango launch there's just too many old and new consoles fighting for limited shelf space.

Sure there are the old ninty favorites but I think fans shouldn't consider Mario as a golden ticket to success, especially when New Super Mario Bros U didn't set the world on light and there is a distinct lack of 1st and 3rd killer apps for the system.
I too have been unable to find a demo station. I don't even know how it feels to hold a WiiU controller.
 

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I would wager that every future home console (this includes the WiiU) is in trouble. The landscape of gaming has changed and I don't know for how long consoles can sustain their existence. Many people are already gaming on their tablets, and this will only increase and overtime become the norm for the mainstream. And I doubt home consoles can survive on the support of us geeks alone.
 

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Nintendo have always went with a less powerful machine, and behold they bath in money. i think a lot of that is to blame on blind fanboyism, but even beside that, they got their niche, and thier filling it. so that works for them, fine, now let me get back to high end gaming.
 

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1) No

2) No

3) Don't think so, but who knows.

Different consumers mate. Sony and Nintendo have never had the same users regarding videogames. If anything Apple is more menacing for Nintendo and Microsoft/maybe Valve for Sony.