Woman murdered for rejecting a man, another gets her throat slashed for the same.

[Sizzle Montyjing]

Do you mean when a man is murdered by a woman, or murdered in general?

I meant in cases where people have been killed by a member of the other gender. Of course excluding murders with bizarre factors, they just end up in the tabloids next to the articles about someone shagging a garden gnome.

I don't think it's true that male perpetrators of violence get more coverage than female. Ever heard of Jodi Arias or Lorena Bobbitt?

A totally fair counterpoint, considering none of us are really using statistics to calculate. But, for the record, never heard of them at all, Bobbitt just made me think of Boba Fett.
However, after a little look, those seem to be fairly high-profile cases, unless I'm mistaken.

 

[Gorrath]

Well, any group will tend to look back if you focus on every bad thing that they do. Shit, you could make my local church group look like psychopaths if you homed in on the right stuff.
I'm getting bored of this pressure from people, acting as if though I should apologise for my gender.

Why is even a mention of the difficulties women experience equated with bigotry against men? No one is asking you to apologise for your gender. They're just saying to be mindful with how women experience the world when interacting with them.

Is it not more fair to say everyone should be mindful of how everyone else's experience differs from their own? Why should it be the case that women's perspective (which itself makes it seem like women are a homogeneous group with the same shared experiences) should receive special consideration? I think the world would be a better place if people were more empathetic in general. I've argued this before, but I think it is important for us to understand that these issues affect everyone, no matter their gender. Our focus should be, I think, on helping victims and rehabilitating criminals no matter the genders of the people involved.

In the abstract, I agree with you. However, that doesn't mean discussions of a specific type of inequality (against women, non-white people, etc) should be derailed into a discussion of inequality in general. Doing so erases the fact that some people are more marginalized than others.

I agree that some people are more marginalized than others but this truth is something that happens at several levels. There is so much focus on justice at the group level that many people end up even more marginalized at the individual level and the individual level is where some of the worst injustices occur. We see the injustices of individuals sometimes ignored because they belong to a majority or in-power group, and it is thought that they simply cannot experience the injustices that they do. Their stories are downplayed or ignored. Even at the group level we have issues with this, where it is oft believed that because men are in power, men don't suffer discrimination, or at least no discrimination worth noting. This, I believe, is one of the reasons why we've made good strides in ensuring the rights of women when it comes to how they are treated in court, but men continue to struggle mightily when it comes to harsh sentencing/punishment and even worse when it comes to family court or seeking help when they are affected by domestic violence.

I suppose a good way to sum up my feelings is like this: It is fine to talk about social inequality, but we should not get so wrapped up in that single aspect that we ignore the plights of individuals. We need a progressive outlook on the way we view race, gender norms, LGTB rights ect. but we also need to ensure individual justice too. If we have a domestic violence case, the idea that we need to be particularly sensitive to the woman's perspective in the case may very well end up leading to us dismissing the man's point of view. That's not justice; everyone's perspective should be worthy of equal consideration and our moral/ethical judgments made from there. Applying group level thinking to individual cases is unsound.

 

[Gorrath]

Oh no doubt, I was speaking specifically about domestic violence in general. Murder rates are a different animal which have their own roots and causes, some of which are related to domestic violence specifically and some which differ. I was merely pointing out that it might be unfair to claim that women are disproportionately affected by domestic violence, since the data there varies wildly and cannot be considered concrete due to the issues I mentioned. I don't think it's fair to paint domestic violence as an issue of men hurting women (which it often is) when it may be the case that men and women both suffer from it. We've done a bad job of dealing with domestic violence in general, but I don't think the issue is helped properly when we make it a gendered one.

I don't see how it is being made a gender issue. When different genders are involved, gender issues will be present. When a problem affects one gender more than another, or to a greater extent, then it is a gendered problem. Like you say, men are less likely to report domestic violence, and less likely to be taken seriously if they do. That, in of itself, means it is a gendered problem. Acknowledging that a problem is gendered is not the same as making it gendered.

I agree with you on that too. What I meant is I'm not sure it can be said that domestic violence in general is a gendered issue. You had mentioned that women were much more likely to be assaulted by their husband/boyfriend than the other way around. That suggests that domestic violence on the whole is a gendered issue because it disproportionally affects women. I'm not sure that I can agree with that statement or the implications of it because of the lack of supporting statistics and the difficulty with which such statistics are gathered. There are underlying issues or sub-issues with regards to domestic violence, but domestic violence on the whole, I don't think, is a gendered issue and treating it like one may actually serve to worsen some of those sub-issues.

If the perception is that women are disproportionately the victims of domestic violence and men the perps, then any claim a man makes to being the victim is likely to be viewed with undue criticism. This in turn may make men afraid of coming forward if they think their word against her's is going to be viewed unfairly. And so we end up with the very problem that we seem to have. Does that all seem reasonable?

 

[Thaluikhain]

If the perception is that women are disproportionately the victims of domestic violence and men the perps, then any claim a man makes to being the victim is likely to be viewed with undue criticism. This in turn may make men afraid of coming forward if they think their word against her's is going to be viewed unfairly. And so we end up with the very problem that we seem to have. Does that all seem reasonable?

In theory, yes, but I don't see that as being what's causing the problem in practice.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

*glances at articles, facepalms*

Would someone PLEASE explain to me why some assholes think that doing that is a good idea? I mean, good GOD.

So a chick rejected you. So the fuck what? How insecure does a guy have to be to want to kill someone for rejecting them?

I mean, Jeez. I bet a lot of those kinds of guys hate feminism and wish it didn't exist, too. And they don't realize that assholes like THEM are the REASON it still needs to exist. -_-

Seriously, the !@#4 is wrong with some people?

 

[Gorrath]

If the perception is that women are disproportionately the victims of domestic violence and men the perps, then any claim a man makes to being the victim is likely to be viewed with undue criticism. This in turn may make men afraid of coming forward if they think their word against her's is going to be viewed unfairly. And so we end up with the very problem that we seem to have. Does that all seem reasonable?

In theory, yes, but I don't see that as being what's causing the problem in practice.

Well, I'd not expect any one thing to be the "cause" here. It's a cumulative effect of different pressures. Views on how men and women are supposed to/allowed to behave, what each gender is supposed to put up with, and who is likely to be believed all come into play. I don't think looking at anyone thing as the cause is so much useful as looking at the myriad of causes. As with so many otehr things, I think its mostly expectations of gender norms rearing their ugly head again.

 

[BoldBaldBastard]

From hearsay I gathered that most psychopaths are men, but the better psychopaths are woman. This is because male psychopaths are void of emotion and female psychopaths are fuelled with emotion.

What I personally don't get is all these 'war of the sexes' articles on a site about games and films. Sure it's in off-topic, but I don't have females in my life aside from my mother and I don't bother them and yet I have to watch Jim or No Right Answer rant on about these females and their issues. I don't bother them.. why do they bother me?

 

[Olas]

I just had a mindblowing epiphany. Lumping people into broad categories and making generalizations about them is bad, for everyone.

Pointing out that one gender (or race, or religion, etc) is responsible for more murders than another is only helpful if you can pinpoint a cause for the discrepancy and in doing so identify a fixable problem. Otherwise you're just offending a lot of people and causing tension.

Ya, I'm a guy. And I'm aware that other people of my gender that I've never met have done horrible things to people. What do you want me to do about it?

 

[crypticracer]

I just had a mindblowing epiphany. Lumping people into broad categories and making generalizations about them is bad, for everyone.

Pointing out that one gender (or race, or religion, etc) is responsible for more murders than another is only helpful if you can pinpoint a cause for the discrepancy and in doing so identify a fixable problem. Otherwise you're just offending a lot of people and causing tension.

Ya, I'm a guy. And I'm aware that other people of my gender that I've never met have done horrible things to people. What do you want me to do about it?

That's exactly the point. To identify the problem. But if the problem is based on sex then coming in and saying "not all men" is going to make that impossible.

 

[Aramis Night]

I just had a mindblowing epiphany. Lumping people into broad categories and making generalizations about them is bad, for everyone.

Pointing out that one gender (or race, or religion, etc) is responsible for more murders than another is only helpful if you can pinpoint a cause for the discrepancy and in doing so identify a fixable problem. Otherwise you're just offending a lot of people and causing tension.

Ya, I'm a guy. And I'm aware that other people of my gender that I've never met have done horrible things to people. What do you want me to do about it?

That's exactly the point. To identify the problem. But if the problem is based on sex then coming in and saying "not all men" is going to make that impossible.

If not all men or even a majority of men are doing this, then how can the identity of the problem be men? That would say to me that it is a factor outside of just men causing the problem. Especially if the problem has also been proven to exist within women. It would seem obvious at that stage to move onto other possible factors but for some reason people seem really intent on sticking to a narrative for various reasons that insists that its about sex. It's that tendency that I find most troubling.

 

[Angelblaze]

To extend on this; I'm a 17 year old hermit, virgin, I stay inside the house literally ALL DAY, ALMOST EVERY DAY.

Thus far, in my seventeen years, I have had 2 attempted kidnappings/sexual assaults against my person, at least five sexual advances towards me by men older then me, two within the past two months. Not over the internet. In real life, just going to the store down the block and back on foot.

My most significant run in with a man was a man who stalked my mother in an attempt to kidnap my little sister, eventually bringing it into the court where he worked and getting visitation. He outright lied in court, worked in direct contact with the papers used in the court battle and intimately knew the person who came to interview me and my little sister for the case.

So we ran from the state over the course of about five to seven years, moved at least three times and eventually through a massive legal battle and crap tons of money we got the case moved from his court and into another one that demanded DNA testing in order to prove he was the biological father that he claimed to be.

He wasn't. We won. He ruined my peace of mind and safety for five years and more then likely I won't be able to trust many people again since in the earliest times of my family's relationship with him he was considering within the bounds of trustworthy and even gave us a free place to stay with him during hard times (though, that was when it got weird.)

Another story that tells a little more about me. I don't dress like other girls dress. I stay head to toe covered as much as I can manage, usually shrugging on a sweat jacket and keeping it zipped up - mainly because I'm well endowed and don't want attention. I still get attention. Almost all sexual from men.

This isn't just a 'media tells women to be scared so they act all scared'. This is real fucking life. Most women, at some time in their lives, will have to deal with some guy that either can't take a hint or don't want to and most women, at some time in their lives, will know or come in contact with rape/sexual assault victims or perpetrators. You can claim from statistics, pull numbers and selectively ignore what you want but making the claim that women are belittled by fearing something that happens a-fucking-lot, is outright ignorance.

Hell, IMO you thinking that a woman (assuming maliciously) claiming you raped her child would ruin your life is more ridiculous given the hoops one has to jump through.

A) What you might see as "sexualy aproaching you" might be seen by them merely as flirting/complementing... could you give us some examples? BTW i do know that... a certain type of males behave like neanderthals... i had the fortune of working together with some sex jokes tooting jerks that bragged all day long about how much game they got... those people where mostly sad little singles that had to much free time at work -.-

b) People are not able to know your personal history by looking at your forehead, so dont lump them all together. I think some of those males would act differently towards you if they knew what you have been through. But since they dont and since they seem to think youre attractive they will try to flirt with you. Thats how it works out there in the real world, that is how people get to know each other. Be it at the bar or in the disco or wherever... people flirt. Alot of males (mostly through peer pressure) are still of the mindset that they should start the "engagement"... wich often leads to very crincheworthy aproaches.

Believe me when i say that most males want to punch themselves in the face at home afterwards thinking about what they said. Atleast the better ones that is.


c) Media attention or Money is what makes the courts move in your favour. Public pressure through media is and allways will be very effective because everyone involved gets put under a magnifying glass. And money... well its money. It was very unfortunate that the guy was working inside the court and shows that even modern law systems are anything but immune to failure.

d) Its not only every woman its also every man. When i worked with the aforementioned neanderthals i had to deal with ALOT of what you would consider sexual harassment simply because i didnt fall in line with all the bloody sexjokes. I had my sexuality openly questioned, i had my butt grabbed on different occasions and one of the idiots even dared to grab me in the groin.

Eventually i had enough and took it to the boss, and was imidiantly placed in a different spot with the person who grabbed me simply getting a "dont do it again" speech with no further consequences. After that work was a hellhole and i only stayed for another year for the pay. My contract ran out and they never offered me another one because i was a "traitor" and everyone hated my guts for getting the bosses involved.

Not only that but i wasnt taken very serious either, told to suck it up. Incidantly when two of those morons bothered a female intern whose daddy was also incidantly working in the upper office they both got fired on the spot for sexual harassment. And they did not touch her.

So yeah, males have also to deal with sexual harassment from other males. But we are told to keep our mouths shut about it becuase we are MALE!!! HURRRR DURRR!!!

And no this does not take away from your example but i think its important not to forget that those assholes arent very picky when it comes to sexual harassment. Only if its male vs male its often glossed over as a "joke" and not ment "serious"

a.) "Nice ass", just randomly in passing from a guy older then me that I didn't know would be one. I'm sure it gets worse, but I don't spend a lot of time around my own family. Other people are an entirely different story.

b.) 'People are not able to know your sexual history by looking at your forehead.'

For most of the time men flirted with me, they did so while I was alone.

While I was walking home from school. And I mean bookbag, grade school shirt and all.

And not 'pc' flirting either, but 'Hey, want to take a ride to my place?'

Before I was age 10.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong but I would think that it isn't til MAYBE age 13 (MAYBE) that the line between 'child' and 'sexual capability' becomes blurry. That, and, you don't randomly go up to someone's kid and just invite them to your house. Even if you know the kid.

c.) A few months after the case ended, the state that the court was in openly admitted that hundreds, perhaps thousands of cases, were mishandled. I know the system doesn't work right.

d.) Yeah, I hear you. I got glared at because I told one of the boys at my school I didn't feel comfortable with him talking about the size of my breasts. Come to find out, he was popular, I wasn't. Guess who was hated until they left, two months later?

To openly admit something, I probably wouldn't be (as hardcore of) a gamer if I wasn't nearly kidnapped. After I was nearly kidnapped I became really, really afraid of the dark, so in order to help me sleep I would imagine Master Chief and Samus Aran and all my favorite game and tv characters teaming up to protect me while I slept.

 

[Olas]

I just had a mindblowing epiphany. Lumping people into broad categories and making generalizations about them is bad, for everyone.

Pointing out that one gender (or race, or religion, etc) is responsible for more murders than another is only helpful if you can pinpoint a cause for the discrepancy and in doing so identify a fixable problem. Otherwise you're just offending a lot of people and causing tension.

Ya, I'm a guy. And I'm aware that other people of my gender that I've never met have done horrible things to people. What do you want me to do about it?

That's exactly the point. To identify the problem. But if the problem is based on sex then coming in and saying "not all men" is going to make that impossible.

Okay, there are several problems with this.

1. Nobody has proven, or even made a decent case, that the problem (murder) is based on sex. All I see is a very general statistical correlation, which doesn't imply much less prove causation. More robberies occur at night, that doesn't mean the darkness is what motivates people to rob.

2. Even if you did manage to prove that the problem is directly related to sex, the fact that not all men commit murder, and that some women do, would be very IMPORTANT information to take into account. Not only would it not make identifying the problem "impossible", it would be much worse to ignore this information.

3. Even if we continue on this train of thought that gender is an inherent part of the issue, to find the root problem you'd still need to move past the surface fact that violence and murder are somehow tied to manhood and try to identify what aspect of manhood leads some men to murder, something these discussions almost never try to do.

If the only conclusion is that 'men are the problem' then seemingly the only solutions are:

a. Deal with it.
or
b. Destroy all men.

And so far, with a [a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto"]with a few exceptions[/a], most people have gone with option A.

To find a third option, I believe, we would need to move beyond gender politics and scientifically approach the problem.

I think this is a situation where the motto in my profile applies rather nicely.

"Anybody can become angry - that is easy, but to be angry with the right person and to the right degree and at the right time and for the right purpose, and in the right way - that is not within everybody's power and is not easy."

 

[Dragonmouth]

Well, any group will tend to look back if you focus on every bad thing that they do. Shit, you could make my local church group look like psychopaths if you homed in on the right stuff.
I'm getting bored of this pressure from people, acting as if though I should apologise for my gender.

Why is even a mention of the difficulties women experience equated with bigotry against men? No one is asking you to apologise for your gender. They're just saying to be mindful with how women experience the world when interacting with them.

Is it not more fair to say everyone should be mindful of how everyone else's experience differs from their own? Why should it be the case that women's perspective (which itself makes it seem like women are a homogeneous group with the same shared experiences) should receive special consideration? I think the world would be a better place if people were more empathetic in general. I've argued this before, but I think it is important for us to understand that these issues affect everyone, no matter their gender. Our focus should be, I think, on helping victims and rehabilitating criminals no matter the genders of the people involved.

In the abstract, I agree with you. However, that doesn't mean discussions of a specific type of inequality (against women, non-white people, etc) should be derailed into a discussion of inequality in general. Doing so erases the fact that some people are more marginalized than others.

I agree that some people are more marginalized than others but this truth is something that happens at several levels. There is so much focus on justice at the group level that many people end up even more marginalized at the individual level and the individual level is where some of the worst injustices occur. We see the injustices of individuals sometimes ignored because they belong to a majority or in-power group, and it is thought that they simply cannot experience the injustices that they do. Their stories are downplayed or ignored. Even at the group level we have issues with this, where it is oft believed that because men are in power, men don't suffer discrimination, or at least no discrimination worth noting. This, I believe, is one of the reasons why we've made good strides in ensuring the rights of women when it comes to how they are treated in court, but men continue to struggle mightily when it comes to harsh sentencing/punishment and even worse when it comes to family court or seeking help when they are affected by domestic violence.

I suppose a good way to sum up my feelings is like this: It is fine to talk about social inequality, but we should not get so wrapped up in that single aspect that we ignore the plights of individuals. We need a progressive outlook on the way we view race, gender norms, LGTB rights ect. but we also need to ensure individual justice too. If we have a domestic violence case, the idea that we need to be particularly sensitive to the woman's perspective in the case may very well end up leading to us dismissing the man's point of view. That's not justice; everyone's perspective should be worthy of equal consideration and our moral/ethical judgments made from there. Applying group level thinking to individual cases is unsound.

I won't deny that there are some situations in which men are disadvantaged. What I don't approve of is using these men to derail discussions on the oppression of women. Yes, it's true that a lot of feminists don't talk about men's issues. And that's okay. As a man, I don't demand that others talk about my struggles before getting a chance to discuss their own. Too many so-called men's-rights-activists are less interested in helping disadvantaged men and more interested in using them to distract or blame feminists.

 

[kuolonen]

Yeah gee, I wonder if there's any specific source of misogony for impressionable young people in U.S.? Oh wait http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_in_hip_hop_culture

And in the same vein as the OP's quote, take it away Chief Keef! "You ain't gonna let me f*ck you and I feel you / But you gone suck my d*ck, or I'll kill you." -Chief Keef

 

[Karadalis]

*glances at articles, facepalms*

Would someone PLEASE explain to me why some assholes think that doing that is a good idea? I mean, good GOD.

So a chick rejected you. So the fuck what? How insecure does a guy have to be to want to kill someone for rejecting them?

I mean, Jeez. I bet a lot of those kinds of guys hate feminism and wish it didn't exist, too. And they don't realize that assholes like THEM are the REASON it still needs to exist. -_-

Seriously, the !@#4 is wrong with some people?

Remember that one kid that went on a killing spree because he had no game? Even thought he was the "perfect" guy.. money, looks, everything? Well kept for being a totaly arrogant douchebag.

People who are used to get everything they want sometimes dont get the idea that companionship isnt something youre entitled to.

There are crazy, insane or outright evil people for whatever reason... and that includes both genders im afraid. That is humanity for you.

And no amount of "being offended" about things is going to change anything at all. These people do not obey logic, social rules or even the law. They cant be reasoned with because they are completly messed up in their wiring.

However to blame an entire gender because of some nutcases every year? Thats BS....

The bloody FLU kills more people per year then males do.. wheres the outrage about that? How can it be that hundrets of thousands of people die every year because of the bloody flu in this day and age? #fluawareness

 

[Angelblaze]

Yeah gee, I wonder if there's any specific source of misogony for impressionable young people in U.S.? Oh wait http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_in_hip_hop_culture

And in the same vein as the OP's quote, take it away Chief Keef! "You ain't gonna let me f*ck you and I feel you / But you gone suck my d*ck, or I'll kill you." -Chief Keef

If we looked hard enough we could find forms of sexism in all culture, don't just blame this on hiphop.

"All women love semi-rape" - James Bond, The Spy who Loved me by Ian Fleming.

*glances at articles, facepalms*

Would someone PLEASE explain to me why some assholes think that doing that is a good idea? I mean, good GOD.

So a chick rejected you. So the fuck what? How insecure does a guy have to be to want to kill someone for rejecting them?

I mean, Jeez. I bet a lot of those kinds of guys hate feminism and wish it didn't exist, too. And they don't realize that assholes like THEM are the REASON it still needs to exist. -_-

Seriously, the !@#4 is wrong with some people?

Remember that one kid that went on a killing spree because he had no game? Even thought he was the "perfect" guy.. money, looks, everything? Well kept for being a totaly arrogant douchebag.

People who are used to get everything they want sometimes dont get the idea that companionship isnt something youre entitled to.

There are crazy, insane or outright evil people for whatever reason... and that includes both genders im afraid. That is humanity for you.

And no amount of "being offended" about things is going to change anything at all. These people do not obey logic, social rules or even the law. They cant be reasoned with because they are completly messed up in their wiring.

However to blame an entire gender because of some nutcases every year? Thats BS....

The bloody FLU kills more people per year then males do.. wheres the outrage about that? How can it be that hundrets of thousands of people die every year because of the bloody flu in this day and age? #fluawareness

I'd say the problem is more in the system of dealing with rape itself then anything else.

Rape kits get ignored like the plague, police officers even have a history of harassing rape victims post filing - especially if the accused is a friend of or is in the force.

Then there's the victim blaming/making the victim the aggressor, which happens all the time; 'she got drunk and now she's regretting it', 'she's falsely accusing'.

Then (mostly) men, claim that men are victims of an imaginary group of women who point fingers and cry rape all the time - despite the fact that, factoring in unreported rapes the accused have little to no chance to actually serve time. In fact, every source I've found thus far - reported rapists have less then ten percent chance to face jail time.

(source: https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates
http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/rape-a-lack-of-conviction/)


Ignored rape kits: https://www.google.com/search?q=quotes+about+crime&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb#rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&channel=fflb&q=ignored+rape+kits (pick whichever one you want)

No one harasses or victim blames people afflicted with the flu so I'm going to assume your saying that in jest...plus we have shots to actually help that. If we could give every woman in the world a shot to prevent rape then...well we wouldn't be having this discussion would we?

 

[Gorrath]

I won't deny that there are some situations in which men are disadvantaged. What I don't approve of is using these men to derail discussions on the oppression of women. Yes, it's true that a lot of feminists don't talk about men's issues. And that's okay. As a man, I don't demand that others talk about my struggles before getting a chance to discuss their own. Too many so-called men's-rights-activists are less interested in helping disadvantaged men and more interested in using them to distract or blame feminists.

Sorry I have not been able to reply sooner; The Escapist was down for me for the past several days.

If feminism's core goal is social equality between the sexes and, as you admit, there are social situations in which men are disadvantaged, then it is not okay for feminists to fail to address those issues. You can't have social equality between the sexes if you are ignoring the problems of one side. Saying that it's okay for feminists to not talk about men's issues is totally illogical because you can't possibly achieve your stated core goal if you ignore them.

What I don't approve of is the idea that any of these ideas exist in some kind of vacuum where you can discuss them from one set of perspectives and not the other. You can't fix women's issues without fixing men's issues and vice versa. I see people say all the time that mentioning men's issues is a deflection away from dealing with women's issues, but often times it absolutely is not. Women's issues ARE men's issues and men's issues ARE women's issues. If you or I or anyone wants to see a society in which we really do treat the sexes as equals, we have to get over these self-defeating notions that solving one sex's problems will somehow solve the problems of the other sex, or that talking about how different issues affect both sexes is a derailment of the discussion. Dealing with the problems in this way only leads to a perpetuation of feelings of exclusion and inequality.

There is no issue with MRA that isn't also present in feminism, despite the fact, or maybe even because both movements supposedly share the same goal. There are a myriad of factors, particularly personal ones, that lead to these issues. But the very complaint you make about MRAs and MRA groups is a complaint one could level at feminists and their groups too. Too many so-called feminists are less interested in social equality and more interested in using feminist issues to blame men for every problem in their life.

I may or may not be a feminist, depending on how you define what feminism is. I may or may not be an MRA, depending on how you define it. What's far more important to me is that we live in a world of social equality. I know good feminists and good MRAs and have even convinced a few that their movements are really the same damned movement. I don't care what people call themselves, I care what they believe and what they push for.

 

[kuolonen]

Yeah gee, I wonder if there's any specific source of misogony for impressionable young people in U.S.? Oh wait http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_in_hip_hop_culture

And in the same vein as the OP's quote, take it away Chief Keef! "You ain't gonna let me f*ck you and I feel you / But you gone suck my d*ck, or I'll kill you." -Chief Keef

If we looked hard enough we could find forms of sexism in all culture, don't just blame this on hiphop.

"All women love semi-rape" - James Bond, The Spy who Loved me by Ian Fleming.

Might indeed be so that hiphop isn't only to blame. But really? I quote rap lyrics from 2013 and you reply with book quote from 1962? In this article, for example, the other suspect wasn't even born at that point and communism was still considered a legitimate rival to capitalism.

Also the rap lyrics straight up suggest getting turned down for sex is going to get you killed, while the 1962 book (a fossil by my reckoning) doesn't even go as far as calling all women wanting to get raped, instead copping out with "semi-rape".