Dele said:
SakSak said:
Funny, because my brother was one of those forward observers, redirecting fire and so forth for the actual guns and he had the red artillery background to his badges.
And the point of my post was that there are jobs that are on equal ground with basic frontline trooper in terms of physical strain. To somehow differentiate women as plausible candidates for 'only support, comms and arty' jobs is simultaneously
1. Sexists, as there are women out there who have and can fulfill the required physical standards.
2. Demeaning to everyone on those arty, support and comms jobs.
Yeah, and I know for obvious reasons that main jobs of foot scouts is to observe enemy movement, strenght and guide artillery fire to their positions because theyre the only one around to see the enemy. There are a few jobs true but only very
very few that are even comparable and even with them, the training is easier than what it is for the basic infantry or combat engineer.
Differentiating women to support jobs is first and foremost practical as it maximizes the possibility that a woman will perform at the same effiency as a man. It's obvious that there are numerous men and even more women who cant handle the frontline job but the amount of women who can is not enough to justify all the hassle it involves to get women to frontlines. It's not even really demeaning to support as, even though they are important and needed in the war, support doesn't get even the fraction of shit we have to go through. Everybody knows that there is a reason why artillery is hated above all. They have it easy compared to frontline troops.
Okay, it's quite clear you have some kind personal bias you can't seem to shake off.
"It's obvious that there are numerous men and even more women who cant handle the frontline job" This is a given, just as there are numerous men and women who can't handle the raw memorization required from medics for example, or running trough woods with spools of comms wire to lay down the connections everyone else takes for granted, or making large amounts of tasty and nutrious food to a precise timetable in the middle of nowhere without compromising hygieny, or the tech-savvy required to set up an AA-targeting radar/command post and program it to local conditions and link it to AA-guns within the same timelimit it takes to raise a tent as well as fixing that radar if something breaks. Each speciality has their own demands and most certainly not everyone is cut out for everything.
"women who can is not enough to justify all the hassle it involves to get women to frontlines." is a moronic statement, because that hassle is exactly the same as getting men to the frontlines. Logistics: unchanged. Training schedules: unchanged. Organization of troops as well as command structure: unchanged.
"even though they are important and needed in the war, support doesn't get even the fraction of shit we have to go through"
Ever heard of the saying: "The only compliment Support gets, is lack of complaints. When Support does its job properly, they are invisible to those whom they are there to serve. But when Support fails, everything fails."
The COs certainly have and any good CO keeps that in mind. Support has just the same kind of shitstorms as everyone else. They have only one benefit to them: Mostly only Support witnesses those shitstorms. When faced with frak-ups in support, everyone else simply assumes that food arriving 30 minutes late is fine and dandy for the cooks and that they simply go back to their comics without a care in the world, uncaring and far away lazing about. This is because the 'extra motivation' dished out is rarely if ever witnessed by those harmed from the results of the frak-up.
Seriously, it's clear you have no idea of anything but your own role when it comes to military, and discussing this further with you would be simply a waste of both our time; you are ignorant and apparently proud of it.