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ManutheBloodedge

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With the discussion on sexism in gaming still ongoing, I sadly hear a lot of negative voices against Video Games, and not a lot of positive suggestions. But I am sure there are a lot of women and even feminists that like Video Games, that like playing Games.
So, I would like to hear what kind of games are and would be considered less sexist from a feminist perspective.
What Games do you like to play? And more importantly, what Games would you like to play? What kind of ideas you miss in the more male-centric Game industry?
 

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What games do I like to play?

Games that normally everyone else is playing...? I really don't understand the question. I mean, personally, I don't see a difference since there are a lot of games that I enjoy playing. I think Deus Ex: HR is amazing, and I've tried Call of Duty games and they just weren't for me. I don't really enjoy shooters all that much, but I love Borderlands.

I suppose I would just like games that have more story and not have multiplayer shoved into everything. I'm looking at you Assassin's Creed series, you know what you did.

With regard to the last question, see above. I just want a good story and not a shit ton of pandering. Nothing more, nothing less.
 

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What games do I like to play?

Well like a lot of people my tastes can vary, sometimes I feel like a quirky smaller game like stanly parable and gone home....sometimes though I feel like the same B movie action schlock but with playable female characters

The thing is mainstream games are far too samey, I mean fire up XCOM 2 the intro you're greeted with generic white guy number 16 it's beyond the point of rediculous this bastard could be in 99 other games you wouldn't know the difference oh and of coarse they throw in quirky tech girl in there for good measure....how many times have we seen thease characters? Forget any notions of political reasons this is just the need for something new

A more specific answer...I like a game that if it doesn't have charachters that aren't painfully generic then let me make my own

And always more non optional playable female charachters
 

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I enjoy turn-based strategy, story-driven games such as point & click adventures and RPGs (lots of bonus points for original, well-written stories), the occasional dungeon crawler, puzzlegames (everything from Tetris to Kami to Might & Magic: Clash of Heroes) are nice too. On top of that, I enjoy exploiting crafting and other systems to utterly destroy tough challenges.

As for visual styles, I'm not into hyperrealistic stuff, but other than that I like everything from grim Darkest Dungeon to cute Atelier Ayesha (look at the pretty colours!). One thing I do find important is that character designs make some sense within the setting, story and overall style of the game. Bikini armour on snowy mountains makes me facepalm. Sticking every female character in sexy outfits regardless of their personality is just as stupid. having some respect for your characters is a good thing. This goes for male characters, too, by the way, though examples of pandering to female players are rare outside of otome games.

And yes, I do play otome games sometimes. I'm not into creepy stuff were every potential boyfriend is a more or less a bad choice, but games like Sweet Fuse are great. An assertive main character, young men who don't look like photo copied pretty boys and a mystery within a videogame themepark? Sign me up!
 

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Uuuh..... the same games that everyone else is playing?
We're human beings too, you know. Not a weird alien species.

The only difference is that, of course, I don't like videogames centered about exploiting the female figure - no point in me playing DOA Beach Volley.
Really? You sure you are not an alien? I thought women come from venus or something?

But jest aside, this thread was meant for people who complain about too many video games being sexist, because I would be interested in what kind of games they would consider not sexist, and more importantly, what kind of games this alledgedly sexist industry does not create often enough or at all. I just wanted to hear some positive examples or suggestions in this debate for once, and different perspective can lead to new ideas. Who knows, maybe there are game ideas missing from the industry because they are to feminine, and they would be fun and unique to play too. It was a shot in the dark, I admit.
 

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Kinda hard to explain, but I'll give it a go.

I like playing female leads. As long as it feels like I have choices to play as them in modern (within the year) gaming I'm pretty happy.

I don't mind occasionally playing as Jacob if I can play as Evie most of the time.

I'll gladly play as Batman, but if I have the option to be Catwoman, Batgirl, etc. all the better. I will admit though, the shitty story modes for the Gotham city ladies kinda turned me off from arkham knight. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy Lego Batman 3.

Create a character games like Fire emblem, and most of the Saints row series? I'm down.

Senran kagura in general? Valkyrie Drive if it ever comes stateside? Dragon's Crown? Any DoA (though I'm terrible at fighting games)? Sure! I don't mind fan service provided it feels like that's not all we're getting.

I've enjoyed playing Red Dead Redemption up until post game. GTA V was pretty ok in story mode.

Honestly, let me feel like I have a choice to play as a female character most of the time, and I'm pretty happy. It doesn't have to be in a particular game, but in gaming in general.

I'm pretty open to games, and play pretty diversely. Maybe more diversely than most guys. Lets be real, here. Style Savvy: trend setters. It's not a game I see guys playing much, rarely getting a street pass from someone identifying as male, but it's on my 3ds, and I enjoy it. I'll play match 3s, and and games like Pokemon Rumble World.
If it feels like I want to play it, or give it a try, then I will, no matter what kind of game it is, but like I said, I just don't want to see next to zero, if not zero options to buy a modern game that let you play as a woman, or next to no, if not no games with female leads to look forward to.
 

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ManutheBloodedge said:
What Games do you like to play? And more importantly, what Games would you like to play? What kind of ideas you miss in the more male-centric Game industry?
The problem with sexism in the game industry isn't so much the types of games being made, but the under- and over-tones which make certain games sexist or bizarrely male-centric. For example, I really didn't enjoy Ico. Granted, I never finished it, but I got completely tired of dealing with dragging that little girl around everywhere. If you haven't played it, then let me explain: you LITERALLY pull a girl along with you, by the hand, through what I assume must be a large portion of the game, as many mechanics are built around it. She doesn't move forward on her own, she doesn't defend herself, she does nothing. You can't leave a room without her--you have to go take her by the hand and guide her everywhere around with you.

Escort missions are annoying at the best of times, but this particular escort being personified as a feeble girl with no survival instincts or ability to speak or move for herself got my dander up way too much to be willing to give it more time. It was not only a frustrating and finicky mechanic, but as I continued to fail and die due to her ineptness, I began to take it as a personal insult.

I've been working my way through Undertale recently, and that game is chock-full of female characters. The story wouldn't be the same without them. Not only do I like them being there, but their presence in the story and world doesn't feel token or forced, and their purpose within the story is not contingent upon them being female. One is a very mothering character, but a male caretaker could have done the job just as good (in fact, she has a counterpart very much like her). Another one is the captain of the guard, but nobody ever points out that it's unusual for a female to have such a position, or that she had to "earn" it as a female or something. She just is, because she's awesome. The fact that the game never points it out is very refreshing. And then there's a scientist who is also a female, but like the royal guard her job and quirks aren't contingent upon her being female. She's nerdy, she's insecure, she likes anime. And she's a brilliant scientist. No explanation or excuses needed.

That's the kind of female presentation I want within a game. So many other games treat female characters like the way children treat vegetables--they have as few of them as they can plausibly get away with. And when they deal with them they do it very begrudgingly, constantly treating them like aliens whose presence has to be explained and excused. "Yeah, she's the captain of the guard, but she's REALLY AWESOME and beat ALL the guys!" "Yeah, she's the royal scientist, but she's the BEST at what she does!" It's like no female deserves an important position of any sort unless they're the absolute BEST and have beat EVERY other man competing. To me, those excuses feel like a child saying, "Yes, it's broccoli, BUT if I eat one with a chicken nugget it isn't so bad."

If it's a prestigious position, isn't it presumed that they're the best at what they do? Must it be a surprise every single time a woman happens to fill that position? And if it's not a prestigious position, why must they always be the BEST to have any position at all that isn't a damsel or a mother?

I've thought a lot about this and consumed a lot of media that's female-centric and not female-centric. I suppose what it boils down to is that I hate it when a story, or game, or whatever assumes that every default position in a story is to be filled with a male, unless a special exception is made which can explain why a female is in that role. I'm simply tired of it being some surprise or twist when a main or important character is a female, and seeing a story bend over backwards to make excuses to explain why a female is filling that position.
 

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All the important women in my life play MMO's, JRPGs and Zelda more than anything else. Not sure if that answers anything. Pretty sure it's just coincidental though since most of them are a similar brand of nerd. I've known plenty of other ladies that are into other genres, one who was even a CS: Go fanatic for quite awhile.
 

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Personally, right now I'm playing a lot of XCOM 2 right now, because damn I love me that game. I'm a huge sucker for tactical strategy games, so the only way that this game could have been better designed for me is when I start diving into the ini files to mod in new classes and enemies and perks and weapons and.... I'm probably going to be putzing about with this game for years.

In general, I prefer to play a good game over bad social commentary, ultimately I'm paying money to be entertained, so I expect entertainment value first and foremost. On a character level, when you have a good character that I care about and am interesting in seeing their story and what happens to them, I'm not going to spend a lot of time thinking about 'what if' the character was different. Most of the time, if I'm thinking "Why can't I play as a female?" it's because the character I've been given is just kinda boring.

As for what I 'miss' for the industry being male dominated? When you get down to it, I care more about the product than the personal lives of the people who make it. A greater variety in the people making the games can (but doesn't always) lead to a greater variety in games made, but I really think that creativity and risk taking in the game industry is strangled more by economics and business executives than by a lack of diversity of their production teams.
 
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Lilani said:
That's the kind of female presentation I want within a game. So many other games treat female characters like the way children treat vegetables--they have as few of them as they can plausibly get away with. And when they deal with them they do it very begrudgingly, constantly treating them like aliens whose presence has to be explained and excused

If it's a prestigious position, isn't it presumed that they're the best at what they do? Must it be a surprise every single time a woman happens to fill that position? And if it's not a prestigious position, why must they always be the BEST to have any position at all that isn't a damsel or a mother?

I'm simply tired of it being some surprise or twist when a main or important character is a female, and seeing a story bend over backwards to make excuses to explain why a female is filling that position.
I don't get it either. 0_o It's not even like it's hard to do that. In fact, in my experience in making RPGs, it's EASIER to just go "Would it be cool for this character to be female? / Do I have a cool female sprite that fits?" and just drop them in and not worry about it.

I mean, does the story gain anything if I make a whole bunch of backstory as to how "Carol the Vanguard" got to be in the world's equivalent to "holy knights" by "proving herself" or "beating all her male peers"? Not really. It's better to just drop her in and go "This is Carol. She's a dedicated vanguard. She joined because she worships the Goddess of Mercy and wants to spread her cause. Done", and focus on the actual story.

Seriously, unless someone's doing a story explicitly about something "female-specific", gender is mostly irrelevant anyway. There's no reason why it needs to be "special" for a woman to be able to be a sniper or a holy knight or an archeologist/dungeon-diver, or a queen or a thief or anything, really.


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I can't answer the OP's question as I am not a female, sorry!
 

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I want to play Bloodborne but I don't have a PS4 :'(

I really love the Souls series in general, though would be nice if they had a few more female characters in each game. I also felt that the "soft-spoken waifu" thing was slightly overdone in Dark Souls (Firelink Fire Keeper, Rhea, Dusk, Quelaag's sister). There were also some really cool female characters, but it was a bit disappointing to see that same archetype used over and over. If there were more female characters overall to balance it out, I don't think I would have minded as much.
 

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Lilani said:
Very interesting position. So it isn't so much a lack of certain games, the existing ones would be fine if they wouldn't have these sexist aspects to them that prevent you from enjoying a otherwise good game. Ok, I can totally see where you are coming from with this, something like that would annoy me too.

I don't really get that Ico thing, I would never take anything a male character does as an personaly insult, and there are many useless and/or vile males in video games. I wouldn't take anything a female character does as a representation on all women everywhere either. The way I see it a characters flaws are there own, she may be cowardly and useless, but I don't think she is cowardly and useless because she is a woman. There is no logical correlation to draw between her flaws and her gender unless specifically stated.

Now the special focus on females I get, that one I understood. I think Xenoblade Chronicles X would be another good example, this game is full of female characters with strengths and flaws that are not once attributed to their gender. One of your party members is a 13-year old girl (as long as you play the game in Europe and Japan) and a mechanic whiz-kid, and the only objection raised against her working in a leading position in R&D is about her age. Her gender never comes into play. I don't really noticed that before, but now that you are mentioned it, I think back on it as a positive example.
 

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Kinda hard to explain, but I'll give it a go.

I like playing female leads. As long as it feels like I have choices to play as them in modern (within the year) gaming I'm pretty happy.

I don't mind occasionally playing as Jacob if I can play as Evie most of the time.

I'll gladly play as Batman, but if I have the option to be Catwoman, Batgirl, etc. all the better. I will admit though, the shitty story modes for the Gotham city ladies kinda turned me off from arkham knight. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy Lego Batman 3.

Create a character games like Fire emblem, and most of the Saints row series? I'm down.

Senran kagura in general? Valkyrie Drive if it ever comes stateside? Dragon's Crown? Any DoA (though I'm terrible at fighting games)? Sure! I don't mind fan service provided it feels like that's not all we're getting.

I've enjoyed playing Red Dead Redemption up until post game. GTA V was pretty ok in story mode.

Honestly, let me feel like I have a choice to play as a female character most of the time, and I'm pretty happy. It doesn't have to be in a particular game, but in gaming in general.

I'm pretty open to games, and play pretty diversely. Maybe more diversely than most guys. Lets be real, here. Style Savvy: trend setters. It's not a game I see guys playing much, rarely getting a street pass from someone identifying as male, but it's on my 3ds, and I enjoy it. I'll play match 3s, and and games like Pokemon Rumble World.
If it feels like I want to play it, or give it a try, then I will, no matter what kind of game it is, but like I said, I just don't want to see next to zero, if not zero options to buy a modern game that let you play as a woman, or next to no, if not no games with female leads to look forward to.
I also play with a female avatar whenever I can, I just find it more aesthetically pleasing. Senran Kagura Brofist! Daidoji kicks all the asses! Sadly I heard nothing good about Valkyrie Drive getting localized, guess I have to check out the anime.

What is your position about the new Zelda controversy? I would prefer a male-female Link option in the new WiiU title, but more for lore-reasons than representation to be honest.
 

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ManutheBloodedge said:
Rebel_Raven said:
I also play with a female avatar whenever I can, I just find it more aesthetically pleasing. Senran Kagura Brofist! Daidoji kicks all the asses! Sadly I heard nothing good about Valkyrie Drive getting localized, guess I have to check out the anime.

What is your position about the new Zelda controversy? I would prefer a male-female Link option in the new WiiU title, but more for lore-reasons than representation to be honest.
I've found Haruka to be pretty solid combat wise in Deep Crimson. Haven't gotten around to Hebijo arc in Burst (I hate the huge enemies in both arcs X( ) which might be my next project. Ikaruga tended to be my go to in the Hanzo line since I like her particular hairstyle, and it looks good on her, plus her sword has great reach. Yagyu's a close second since I like people that use umbrellas as weapons.
I just like all the girls, though. Despite all the fan service, they're great characters, IMO. Maybe a little tropey, but they're hardly flat, IMO.

Can't say I know exactly what sort of Zelda controversy there is, aside from people getting worried about Linkle becoming a character outside of hyrule warriors, which is putting it nicely. Either way, I'd not mind an opportunity to be a woman in a legend of Zelda series that isn't tethered to a guy. If the game's not like Triforce heroes, or Four Swords, I like the LoZ games.
 
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My girlfriend doesn't post on forums, but I felt I know her enough that she would probably like to add to this discussion if she could.

She largely plays MMOs, RPGS, RTS and Visual Novel games. However, she is really into Dragon Age (something she still tries to convince me to enjoy to this day >.>) and Fallout. We both geeked out over Fallout 4 until it's release.

That being said, she's not really limited to anything. She will play just about anything, especially if I ask her to try it. For example, I'm REALLY into first person shooters, and she's not that great at them, but she played the majority of Dying Light and Half Life (Sven Co-op) with me, as well as DayZ. Competitive shooters is probably her limit, she just doesn't have the skill for it, so she doesn't feel like she's having that much fun.

She makes it known that, while she would prefer the option, she doesn't really care who she plays as, or how they are portrayed. She's not critical of "fan service", or purposely sexy characters. (this woman browses hentai with me because there's sometimes really gorgeous artwork). She has a limit of course, games that are explicitly about sex and sex exclusively, which is understandable. I usually just find those games funny.
 

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Rebel_Raven said:
ManutheBloodedge said:
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I also play with a female avatar whenever I can, I just find it more aesthetically pleasing. Senran Kagura Brofist! Daidoji kicks all the asses! Sadly I heard nothing good about Valkyrie Drive getting localized, guess I have to check out the anime.

What is your position about the new Zelda controversy? I would prefer a male-female Link option in the new WiiU title, but more for lore-reasons than representation to be honest.
I've found Haruka to be pretty solid combat wise in Deep Crimson. Haven't gotten around to Hebijo arc in Burst (I hate the huge enemies in both arcs X( ) which might be my next project. Ikaruga tended to be my go to in the Hanzo line since I like her particular hairstyle, and it looks good on her, plus her sword has great reach. Yagyu's a close second since I like people that use umbrellas as weapons.
I just like all the girls, though. Despite all the fan service, they're great characters, IMO. Maybe a little tropey, but they're hardly flat, IMO.

Can't say I know exactly what sort of Zelda controversy there is, aside from people getting worried about Linkle becoming a character outside of hyrule warriors, which is putting it nicely. Either way, I'd not mind an opportunity to be a woman in a legend of Zelda series that isn't tethered to a guy. If the game's not like Triforce heroes, or Four Swords, I like the LoZ games.
Haruka is my least favorite, especially in combat (I like them all though). I just don't feel powerful during a fight with her ditzy flailing. I like her charcter though, she might seem like a typical ditzy cute girl at first, but she is concerned that everyone has to help her and works hard to better herself. Now Daidoji on the other hand is great in combat. And outside of combat. Bulging muscles! Impractical shoes! Bare fisted strength! The most manliest of all women! ...wait, what?
But seriouly, she is a blast to play with, especially in Deep Crimson. Her Ninja Art with Rin is the best!

The thing with the new Zelda was that some people thought from the new trailer that Link would be female this time around, which got the usual people riled up. "Don't change existing characters" and the like. But given that Link is a new incarnation almost every game, I see no reason that it can't be a woman for once. Especially since Link doesn't have much of character anyways apart from honest, earnest and likes sleeping. There are opinions that we should be able to play Zelda and not make a female Link, but I object to that out of lore reasons. The Zelda games IMO are about exploration and growing from the experience. Apart from the values of the Trifocre, Link, Zelda and Ganondorf represent different states of being. Zelda is the godly, Ganondorf the demonic, and Link the humane. So Links journey is about growing as a person by preventing the demonic to vanquish the godly. Zelda is not supposed to be an active part of the journey, not because she is female, but because humans can't grow if a godly force does everything for them. It has to be their adventure. But given that Link is representing humanity, and humanity is composed of two sexes, it is weird for Link to always be the same one. I know that is me just overanalysing it, but I am weird like that.
 

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ManutheBloodedge said:
Rebel_Raven said:
ManutheBloodedge said:
Rebel_Raven said:
I also play with a female avatar whenever I can, I just find it more aesthetically pleasing. Senran Kagura Brofist! Daidoji kicks all the asses! Sadly I heard nothing good about Valkyrie Drive getting localized, guess I have to check out the anime.

What is your position about the new Zelda controversy? I would prefer a male-female Link option in the new WiiU title, but more for lore-reasons than representation to be honest.
I've found Haruka to be pretty solid combat wise in Deep Crimson. Haven't gotten around to Hebijo arc in Burst (I hate the huge enemies in both arcs X( ) which might be my next project. Ikaruga tended to be my go to in the Hanzo line since I like her particular hairstyle, and it looks good on her, plus her sword has great reach. Yagyu's a close second since I like people that use umbrellas as weapons.
I just like all the girls, though. Despite all the fan service, they're great characters, IMO. Maybe a little tropey, but they're hardly flat, IMO.

Can't say I know exactly what sort of Zelda controversy there is, aside from people getting worried about Linkle becoming a character outside of hyrule warriors, which is putting it nicely. Either way, I'd not mind an opportunity to be a woman in a legend of Zelda series that isn't tethered to a guy. If the game's not like Triforce heroes, or Four Swords, I like the LoZ games.
Haruka is my least favorite, especially in combat (I like them all though). I just don't feel powerful during a fight with her ditzy flailing. I like her charcter though, she might seem like a typical ditzy cute girl at first, but she is concerned that everyone has to help her and works hard to better herself. Now Daidoji on the other hand is great in combat. And outside of combat. Bulging muscles! Impractical shoes! Bare fisted strength! The most manliest of all women! ...wait, what?
But seriouly, she is a blast to play with, especially in Deep Crimson. Her Ninja Art with Rin is the best!

The thing with the new Zelda was that some people thought from the new trailer that Link would be female this time around, which got the usual people riled up. "Don't change existing characters" and the like. But given that Link is a new incarnation almost every game, I see no reason that it can't be a woman for once. Especially since Link doesn't have much of character anyways apart from honest, earnest and likes sleeping. There are opinions that we should be able to play Zelda and not make a female Link, but I object to that out of lore reasons. The Zelda games IMO are about exploration and growing from the experience. Apart from the values of the Trifocre, Link, Zelda and Ganondorf represent different states of being. Zelda is the godly, Ganondorf the demonic, and Link the humane. So Links journey is about growing as a person by preventing the demonic to vanquish the godly. Zelda is not supposed to be an active part of the journey, not because she is female, but because humans can't grow if a godly force does everything for them. It has to be their adventure. But given that Link is representing humanity, and humanity is composed of two sexes, it is weird for Link to always be the same one. I know that is me just overanalysing it, but I am weird like that.
I think you're confusing Haruka (The evil potion throwing shinobi infatuated with dolls, and wears a long coat at times) with Hibari, the one that flails, isn't as confident, etc.
Haruka's pretty devastating in special map missions.

Yeah, Link's continual reincarnation in to new bodies, and Link's sister Aryll, and Linkle makes it less than case closed that the hero of the next game ha to be a guy, but yeah, we both know how those people tend to get when the possibility of an option arises.
Honestly, I don't know what I'd expect Zelda herself to do. It's not every incarnation that she's Shiek, or Tetra, and she's not known as a fighter outside of Smash, and Hyrule Warriors.
 

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I think you're confusing Haruka (The evil potion throwing shinobi infatuated with dolls, and wears a long coat at times) with Hibari, the one that flails, isn't as confident, etc.
Haruka's pretty devastating in special map missions.

Yeah, Link's continual reincarnation in to new bodies, and Link's sister Aryll, and Linkle makes it less than case closed that the hero of the next game ha to be a guy, but yeah, we both know how those people tend to get when the possibility of an option arises.
Honestly, I don't know what I'd expect Zelda herself to do. It's not every incarnation that she's Shiek, or Tetra, and she's not known as a fighter outside of Smash, and Hyrule Warriors.
Oh right of course, I meant Hibari. -_-

Honestly, I never get why people are upset over options. Like the ones who modded out the gay romance out of Mass effect 3. Wankers.