Worker Suspended For Saving Disabled Woman's Life

[A BigCup of Tea]

This is from the Mirror? As in The Daily Mirror? Isn't that a tabloid?

Just reading the related headlines sets off all sorts of alarm bells about the article's authenticity for me. Even if it's true, they probably aren't telling us the whole story for the sake of sensationalism.

I could be wrong, of course. Feel free to correct me if I am. I'm just a bloody Yank, after all.

you would be correct the mirror does have a tendency to "exclude" certain stuff in their articles or be completely one sided...or that may be the daily mail, either way they're all the same.

OT: i would have done exactly the same as the dude that jumped down good for him, i saw someone post saying they could of phoned the train....by the looks of things it seems the train wouldn't of been able to stop in time.

 

[Lieju]

Did he force them to help him with, let's say, a gun? No? Then he didn't put more people at risk. They decided to take the risk themselves.

But he didn't call off the train, so if they jumped in to help and didn't do it in time, the train would have no time to stop.
If he'd follow protocol and call off the train, they could have gotten her out with no risk of being run over.

 

[Altorin]

Is it better to do what this guy did and neglect protocol, putting more people at risk?

Did he force them to help him with, let's say, a gun? No? Then he didn't put more people at risk. They decided to take the risk themselves.

he calls ahead to the train, train stops, no risk at all to anyone. Say what you will, *THAT* guy shouldn't have jumped onto the tracks to save someone when he had the authority and control to stop the train.

everyone else? whatever, if they want to jump onto the tracks, that's really their prerogative. but that guy had control of the situation and tossed it away for heroics.

and for that, he gets suspended. I really don't see what the problem is, it's not like he was fired, it's a slap on the wrist so that he maybe remembers next time that his job includes a "stop the train" button for such emergencies.

 

[Jamash]

We are as a nation increasingly fucked up, here's a lovely story from my local area:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2396222/Branded-paedophile-hiking-son-WILL-SELF-reveals-nightmare.html

TLDR: If you are male and near a child you are a paedophile.

This writer is a real fuck, he really can't grasp why the guard wouldn't let him cut through the school?

The school tells the guard, the policy. The guard enforces it. It's likely as simply as letting the guy cut through the school would of cost the guy his job.

If anything, homeboy did the right thing. He thought he saw something odd, he called the police and let them handle it as oppose to taking the matter into his own hands.

This writer is bitching over nothing.

I was thinkin the same thing myself. Is it a little absurd? Maybe, but its not like anythin actually came of it. He was stopped for 30 minutes by a cop (you can get much worse for simply DWB in certain areas of the US), asked a few questions, and everyone went on their merry way. Instead of just lettin it slide, he threw a hissy fit because the guard wouldn't break protocol and put his job on the line for some random stranger.

Chances are he wasn't just a random stranger, he was recognised by the security guard as 'that smug posh intellectual git off the telly', so the security guard decided to make the call to the police in order to cause some mischief, knowing full well that he could get away with making such a call under the guise of his job description and appearing to be vigilant.

Celebrities, especially divisive ones like Will Self who go though bouts of overexposure, rarely get harassed because they are random strangers... although it is a cruel act of pouring salt on the wound to pretend you don't recognise them, especially in this case which basically boils down to "I had no idea who he was, but he looked like a nonce".

 

[OneCatch]

This is from the Mirror? As in The Daily Mirror? Isn't that a tabloid?

Just reading the related headlines sets off all sorts of alarm bells about the article's authenticity for me. Even if it's true, they probably aren't telling us the whole story for the sake of sensationalism.

I could be wrong, of course. Feel free to correct me if I am. I'm just a bloody Yank, after all.

You're absolutely right that the Mirror is sensationalist bilge, but other media are reporting on it too:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-23974522

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/railway-worker-who-rescued-disabled-woman-off-tracks-suspended-for-breaching-safety-rules-8800555.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/10288333/Railway-worker-suspended-after-rescuing-disabled-woman.html

If he's been suspended for not notifying the train or whomever should be notified of an incident, then that's fair enough.
But if it's purely because he went down to get the woman up having already notified the train driver, then it's outright ridiculous.

 

[madwarper]

You're absolutely right that the Mirror is sensationalist bilge, but other media are reporting on it too:

It's not that this is being reported on. It's the intellectual honesty that's being tossed a side in favor of a deliberately misleading title for the sake of sensationalism that's the problem.

The Mirror is guilty, as is OP.

Worker-Suspended-For-Saving-Disabled-Womans-Life

Yep you read that thread title correctly.

The difference is, here on the escapist, we have rules against this crap.

Topicless Thread Creation
Posting a thread without any discussion value, or with a deliberately misleading title, will get you penalized and your thread locked. This includes creating a poll without an accompanying discussion.

 

[OneCatch]

You're absolutely right that the Mirror is sensationalist bilge, but other media are reporting on it too:

It's not that this is being reported on. It's the intellectual honesty that's being tossed a side in favor of a deliberately misleading title for the sake of sensationalism that's the problem.

The Mirror is guilty, as is OP.

Worker-Suspended-For-Saving-Disabled-Womans-Life

Yep you read that thread title correctly.

The difference is, here on the escapist, we have rules against this crap.

Topicless Thread Creation
Posting a thread without any discussion value, or with a deliberately misleading title, will get you penalized and your thread locked. This includes creating a poll without an accompanying discussion.

I think the mods (specifically the OP) probably know the rules without having a written reminder quoted at them.

That aside, the fact that I've gone looking for others sources might suggest that I'm not blindly joining the outrage, and my description of the Mirror as "sensationalist bilge" would strongly imply that I'm not in favour of either their intellectual dishonesty or their misleading headlines. But that doesn't mean that the reporting is factually incorrect (though certainly incomplete and with a politically motivated narrative).
And anyway, if you look at the bottom of my post, you'll see that I am actually looking at both possible sides of the argument here, and in doing so suggesting that we don't yet know enough to make a valid judgement.
I'm not really sure what your problem is.

 

[OneCatch]

But that doesn't mean that the reporting is factually incorrect

"Railway worker SUSPENDED for rescuing wheelchair-bound pensioner who fell on to train tracks" (the Mirror's headline) is factually inaccurate. He was not suspended for saving a disabled woman, he was suspended for not following the correct procedure.

I already said in the sentence right before the one you quoted that that I didn't like their misleading headlines!
I am not disputing that the Mirror has a clear bias. It obviously does, and in the wider sense it's an utterly infantile rag (I'm a Guardian reader, and thus get a great sense of wellbeing when being smug about the tabloid press)

All I have said is that other media are reporting the facts of the incident itself in a broadly similar light.
What we don't know is the actual reason for his suspension - whether it was because he didn't follow sensible procedures which would have been safer (in which case he should be disciplined), or whether the procedures in place would have been more likely to result in the woman's death (in which case he was morally right to ignore them and suspending him is a travesty).

The Mirror have obviously picked a side as part of the whole 'elf and safety gone mad' narrative. But we don't know enough to castigate either way.