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TRR

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Part of the reason why my brother is...(use you imagination, I'm not about to openly insult my brother over the internet)...is because he plays too much WoW, or using the computer too much in general. Plus I played it for a while(on my brother's account, he charged me for it) and eventually I just stopped playing because it was so damn repetitive, although I only got to level 34.
 

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bowser610 said:
I would like to know why people bash wow, or mmos at all
I figure its because "people have no lives" or some stupid sh*t like that
I play wow, and i think it is awesome.
why all teh hate?
Uggghhhh

I want to stab you
 

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bowser610 said:
I would like to know why people bash wow, or mmos at all
I figure its because "people have no lives" or some stupid sh*t like that
I play wow, and i think it is awesome.
why all teh hate?
Nice to know you have an opinion but you might want to word it a bit better.

Some people overdo it, but some people don't its not just mmos :)
 

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First post here. Hello all.

Firstly let me qualify some of the following with a bit of background:

I'm 36 years old. I've had a relatively (compared to some of you, though this is not a me pulling the age card) long life, seen many wonderful and terrible things (and the whole spectrum of "in between"). I've had thousands upon thousands of social experiences, played in bands throughout my 20s, toured Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Spain, Germany and the toilet circuit of London. I've had many friends for better or worse and had many sexual relationships with women. All this you might expect from someone my age I suppose.

In other words: I know a bit about life, have lived one and will continue to have one, tyvm.

Now I've prefaced the following lets just say that people love to generalise. That in itself is a generalisation, so I understand why people do it. It doesn't make it accurate though.

Reading some of the posts containing such paraphrased gems such as "the people who play [wow] suck" and "Blizzard haven't released anything new because of wow" - I don't really follow. Firstly, Blizzard surely have separate teams working on D3 and SC2. If anything, wow is affording them a very lengthy development time in order to create something as epoch making as the former games in those series. When they come out and are awesome you'll have the massive bank roll wow has given them for that. They have gone on record to say they will not release these games until they are perfect in their eyes. They haven't let their standards slip one notch.

Secondly, this whole "all wow players don't wash / have girlfriends / boyfriends / friends / social skills / lives / pubic hair" ... *cough* I am certain that I'm not only the exception to these "rules", because a number (the number being *all*) of my wow friends don't fall into the above "categories" either. Their lives feature such wonderful things such as partners, jobs, social lives outside of wow, and bathing!

They are mature, friendly, helpful, decent people. I've spent many years in the "real world" and these people are just as valid and worthy. They're like your friends in your FPS clan, or the people on your Home or Xbox live contacts, and your IM.

Another slight deviation: I mentioned that (shock and horror) I live a full life and have had plenty of relationships. Of all the socialising I've done, both off and online I have never met a more beautiful, funny, smart, caring girl (or woman, she's 27) as I have with my girlfriend, who incidentally I met through wow. I could spend the rest of my life hanging out at parties, bars, work etc and not find anyone as perfect for me. I know because that's what I was doing for 20 years or so.

I know, it's crazy. Functional people play wow. And they can stay functional.

My brother (who is more of an FPS fan) used to rag on me for playing wow. It wasn't until I pointed out that he spends as much time as I (a few hours a day, and in my case not at all some days) playing his games of choice that he realised he'd fallen foul of the narrow view of wow players. He might blow through a game in a few hours / days and have to buy a new one to keep himself entertained. I buy the expansions once every 2 years and my subscription fee. Guess who spends less on games? It's about equal. *Everyone* pays to play in one way or another.

So, for those that insist on making all encompassing blanket statements like "all" and "everyone" in conjunction with "something negative" about, well actually "anything at all but in this case wow or its players" are doing themselves and others a disservice. It's certainly not true and basically a self deception.

This goes for any kind of social boundary.

If you wish to appear knowledgeable, cut out the everyone who plays wow is a jerk, idiot, no lifer etc. It's not fair to make such assumptions and you appear a bit dim to those that know different.

One word about wow's gameplay mechanics. It's not as twitchy as your average FPS (though PvP can be *very* twitch based), but the amount of spells / abilities that you have to manage in such a situation really does eclipse that of many other genres. I can count 15-20 different keybindings for active skills (not pause, change weapon, inventory but actual attacks) I can and should do at any given point in PvP and that is certainly not for players with poor hand eye coordination, reflexes or keyboard skills.

I play(ed) other games, and I find wow more demanding in a PvP setting. In PvE it's more relaxing, and that suits me fine.

Wow is a grind. So is everything else. Kill 10 [generic wow beastie] or kill 10 [generic fps opponents]. It's all the same really. I realise that I'll be using FPS as a counterpoint (I don't hate them or the players, for the record), as it represents another choice.

I will agree that not everyone in wow is a paragon of virtue. It is the internet after all, whether that be expressed through forums, wow or any other kind of online multiplayer game.

It's a fact that you will get idiots whatever online game you play. Just be careful of stereotyping because you can just as easily be on the receiving end.

I'm not a fanboy. I just like people regarded as individuals. I'd defend a game I didn't like for the same reason.

If people can't get themselves together when discussing or judging something simple like a hobby or pastime without demonising, it doesn't bode well for the bigger picture and more important issues.

All in all, if I've managed to open a pair of eyes I'll be happy. That said, if people are happy to persist with their views, however inaccurate they may be, then I'm fairly ambivalent to it also. After all it's not me they're hurting.

If you managed to read it all, thanks for your time.



TL;DR: be smart. We're all human.
 

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I saw this thread name and I immediately said "Yes? What can I do for you?" as I clicked on the link. Let's see here...
bowser610 said:
I would like to know why people bash wow, or mmos at all
I figure its because "people have no lives" or some stupid sh*t like that
I play wow, and i think it is awesome.
why all teh hate?
...Ah yes. The eternal question on why people bash World of Warcrap (note the proper spelling). It all started when everyone I knew at school started raving about it. I was in grade 10 and half of my school was all over it. So I decided to give my MMO (Final Fantasy XI Online) a break and give this game a try.

Ho-ly-crap. It just had so many flaws in it that I didn't like it. It was just begging for me to hate it. But I didn't hate it at the time.

No, it wasn't until people started asking me why I quit it. I explained to them nicely that I preferred my MMO. And then the fanboyism kicked in. Everyone started dissing FFXI as well as every other video game on the planet in defense of their Lord and Master. So what did I do? I naturally retaliated. The facts and opinions I collected over the next two years sort of solidified my ever-lasting enmity towards WoW. I now have one three-verse song explaining why WoW sucks, one 4600-word essay on why WoW sucks, one three-page essay (that I submitted as an actual English paper for an A) on why WoW sucks, and one 6800-word essay on why WoW sucks. All three essays are different and explain different reasons. The 6800-word one being the last thing I wrote, composed of days of research finding pictures, opinions, numerical facts, other facts, and theories.

I no longer give a crap, because as people stopped treating it like Jesus, I stopped having to mock people for their lack of facts and shoving in their faces the truth.

That doesn't mean I don't hate the game though. And I still always have to make a "World of Warcrap sucks" comment whenever I see a WoW-related thread on this site. All it means is I don't actively go out and slap people over the head with a 12-page essay anymore.
 

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heeeysa said:
I hate it because it lowered the benchmark of all MMOs. It's been proven that 'games designed for noobs' are really very successful. Now, because noobs far outweigh the 'real gamers', it's much more financially beneficial to make games that appeal to this much larger audience. Counter-Strike filled it for the FPS market, World of Warcraft filled it for the MMO market.
Counter Strike is for noobs? Umm, no. I don't think you could be more wrong.
 

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Stammer said:
The facts and opinions I collected over the next two years sort of solidified my ever-lasting enmity towards WoW. I now have one *three-verse song explaining why WoW sucks*, one *4600-word essay* on why WoW sucks, one *three-page essay* (that I submitted as an actual English paper for an A) on why WoW sucks, and one *6800-word essay* on why WoW sucks. All three essays are different and explain different reasons. The 6800-word one being the last thing I wrote, composed of days of research finding pictures, opinions, numerical facts, other facts, and theories.
Safe to say that a long time after you quit wow it was still dominating your life. All that essay writing. No wonder you hate it so.

Perhaps you should have maybe balanced it with other activities so it didn't get that bad.

Blame the game all you like. It was your choice I assume.


With a bit of self respect you can survive almost anything. Even a video game.
 

JWAN

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I thought it was ok, but I realized that if I wanted to constantly coddle something I might as well knock up a random chick that I met in some bar in Las Vegas.

Those kinds of games are fine, but like everything in the world its only good in moderation.

If you play for more than 35 hours in a week its probably not good for your health/grades/social life and even though you meet people over the internet that never means that it is a healthy relationship. But its your right to chose, if you want to do that go ahead but when you need to get a job or do something in real life I hope you have the strength to buck up and put the game down for awhile.
 

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I just dont like the game, dont like the repetitiveness of it all, dont really like the setting and dont like most of the people on the game (players not the characters). And I do have two friends who got sucked into it and had to graduate late from high school because they spent all their time playing. Now I know that its really their fault for not having any common sense to stop but I dunno its kinda addictive for somepeople. Other than that I got nothing against it.
 

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I don't like about WoW:

1. Graphics. Don't call me an idiot or anything, I like games with classy/original/old graphics, like Neverwinter Nights, Nox, Diablo (both)... But if someone likes WoW graphics, he must be under 13. It's just... too childish.

2. Gameplay solo. It's boring. It's the most boring MMO to solo I've ever played.

3. Pay $15 to deal with underaged (I'm 17, so if someone this age complains about children...)? I would rather go to the kindergarden, because there kids won't shout at me. They would be too afraid to pick on someone IRL.

or

3. Pay 13 EUR (don't have the euro letter ;p) to deal with underaged people that can't speak English and think everyone knows their language.

4. Why waste my life, if I can play better games for people with lives, like City of Heroes or Warhammer Online (as soon as they repair and balance the game), where you don't have to play 5 hours a day (or more...) as long as you know how to play. In WoW you can roll your head through the keyboard and win.

Although right now I'm getting the 10 day trial second time (I got bored after 3 hours the first time), to see if I get to like the game. If not, this will be the first Blizzard game I didn't like.
 

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Like everyone has said before, World of Warcraft is horribly addictive. I don't know how many hours I play a day, but I know it's way to much. The communities are crap, and most people you'll play with are annoying and stupid. You'll eventually find a group of people you like and then... your hooked. Some people can maintain a steady life while progressing through the game, some can't.
You know you should stop and you plan the next day to head out, maybe go to the beach; next thing you know your out farming for money or killing some mob for a new mount or achievement. It's ridiculous.
World of Warcraft isn't a game you can pick up and play for a hour and stop. It's not like a game you can get a bunch of buddies together with, laugh about it, and then never talk about it again. It's a game that makes you think and push to improve yourself, game wise.
You either like it or you don't. Think before you play.

Um... Hi.. My name is Ash and I'm a World of Warcraft addict. [Oh god, what a load off my chest]
 

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I hate this game because it's consuming by buddy's life. He just got married and all he and his wife (who is awesome) do it sit and play that damn game. I wish he'd unplug and hang once in a while, and it's all because of that addictive game. This is why I'll never get a WOW account - I enjoy booze, strip clubs, and a social life too much.
 

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It's a game that makes you think and push to improve yourself, game wise.
You do realise there is little to improve in button mashing? In PvE, there is no "improvement" if all you do is get a tank, then heal him while damage dealers kill enemies.

Unless you are talking about getting better gear, but then again, it's not really you that is improved. Only your character.

So far, the only game where you have to improve your skills in order to win is Guild Wars in Player vs Player.
 

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I don't like WoW because it's a time sink. You'll pretty much never "beat" WoW, and it doesn't really ever end, either. Assuming a person is up for some repetition, what this means is that somebody could play WoW their entire life. Even among video games, online MMOs are unique in this "neverending story" quality. Even the best, longest and most in-depth strategy RPG (I'm going to say Final Fantasy Tactics for the sake of argument) eventually gets "finished," but WoW players can keep playing forever.

In addition, I think online MMOs are REALLY bad for people with addictive personalities. Since the game never ends and there's no resolution, people who get addicted easily could fritter away days and days (or even years) of their lives.

I'm not saying WoW players have no life, I'm saying that people with addictive personalities may find themselves addicted to WoW, which helps deprive them of their "real" life. Of course, moderation in all things helps quite a bit. Naturally, there are lots of perfectly normal people on WoW, but lots of perfectly normal people play Dynasty Warriors, too. That doesn't change my opinion that the DW games are a bunch of shallow time-wasters that repeat the same crap over and over.

I mean, a person can play a LOT of games in the time they would typically spend on WoW. Or, conversely, they could watch a lot of movies, date a lot of chicks, take a lot of martial arts classes, read a lot of books, exercise...

In summary, I'm not saying WoW is bad, nor am I trying to badmouth those who play. I just feel like there are a lot of other worthwhile things that could be done instead, EVEN just in the realm of video games. For example, the PS2 has a huge library of amazing RPGs (and other games, but the RPGs might be the most appealing to a WoW player), but a person who plays only WoW will never experience any of them.
 

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Abedeus said:
It's a game that makes you think and push to improve yourself, game wise.
You do realise there is little to improve in button mashing? In PvE, there is no "improvement" if all you do is get a tank, then heal him while damage dealers kill enemies.
Yeah, but hey, It makes me feel better while trying to tell myself to stop =P "I'm improving myself! Look at my friend-list! I'm such a social butterfly!!"

improve yourself, game wise.
RL isn't so real with this game anymore..
 

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If it's one thing i noticed it's that people who say they hate WoW all seem to hate it for the same reasons. "It stole a friend of mine" "It costs too much" "It's too much grind" "It's full of idiots".

I play WoW and I have a few friends who do as well and we all play for different reasons which is one of the reasons WoW is so popular, there are many ways to play it that appeal to a good number of people.

I will admit though that when i hear someone say that people who play wow are socially repressed addicts I fill a tinge of hatred fill up inside me. Not because they're criticising the thing i like to spend time on but because they generalise.

Yes, a number of people who play wow are addicts and are socially repressed. So you're going to use those examples as fact for the entire wow community? What if I said all gays eat shit like the Westboro Baptist church claim? They claim that as fact yet anyone who actually met a number of homosexuals would know that 'fact' is bullshit itself. Some priests molested children, does that make them all pedofiles? Some jews are greedy, does that mean they all obsess about money? Of course not, because when it comes to people and groups "NOTHING IS TRUE".

If you don't want to play wow thats your choice, but that doesnt mean you have the right to presume you know what every single WoW player is like, even if you did once play, you still don't have that right. Neither do I, and I actually play.
 

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mark_n_b said:
People don't really bash WoW or MMO's in general.
One South Park Homage and traditional non-gamer attitudes do not bashing make.
Maybe you can show me evidence of this, link to all the WoW bashing threads that I've apparently missed here at the Escapist for instance.
You havent seen all the hate on WoW and MMO's in general? :O, how can you have missed such a thing?, just about every single forum has them, even Yahtzee talks about it multiple times, how can you have missed it?
 

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I heard about WOW ruining my friend's friend's marriage. He pays more attention to it than his newly wed wife