Well I'm just not into grinding and MMORPGs. That's just who I am and what I like. I don't hate the game, I'm just not into it. Also, it's addicting and sucks out people's souls.
World of Warcraft: Why is it hated by so many gamers?
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Holy God you are wrong. Just accept it.CantFaketheFunk said:
I play WoW too. All my R/L friends play it. I fuckin hate it because a grindfest is exactly what it is. Every single MMO I have played (runescape, eve, conan, warhammer, pirates of the burning sea, everquest, guild wars, and nameless other free japanese ones) has been less grind than WoW.
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It's so often hated by people because it carries the "Curse of the MMO".
Whenever there is an MMO, no matter what the quality, there is a large group of people that hate it.
Examples: Adventure Quest, Runescape, Maple Story, Gaia, etc.
Also, for the reason I don't like many online games?
Every MMO ever made just ends up being a "Who's the richest" competition.
Whenever there is an MMO, no matter what the quality, there is a large group of people that hate it.
Examples: Adventure Quest, Runescape, Maple Story, Gaia, etc.
Also, for the reason I don't like many online games?
Every MMO ever made just ends up being a "Who's the richest" competition.
There's really no rewarding experience tied into the gameplay. People who dislike World of Warcraft usually don't like MMORPGs in general. Whether it's the lack of variety in gameplay, a stale/nonexistent story, or fiscal setbacks, there isn't much to be found in the game other than what you might experience operating a factory machine, or harvesting the wheat on the farm. That is to say, it's menial and time-consuming without any sort of payoff other advancing up a competitive, linear ladder of talent obtainment. I don't hate WoW, I just think Warcraftdeserves something more along the lines a deep, single-player RPG, not a time sink.
Hahaha.CoziestPigeon said:
No, again. You do not understand what grinding is. Being told to go out and "kill X monsters" for Y NPC is not grinding. Because you get a chunk of XP and some rewards from the quest itself. Grinding is when your only recourse to level up is to kill mobs over and over and over and over and over and over. And there are plenty of MMOs waaaay worse than WoW, especially with WotLK.
Leveling up in WoW just feels like so much less of a chore than it does in any other MMO I've ever played.
What I find is that people make inaccurate generalizations about the game, and then pass this on to others as fact. Because the other people have not played it, they accept the false generalizations.
One thing that I really don't get, however, is how "grind" is a legitimate excuse for disliking any game in general.
In every case, complaining about "grind" is not a valid argument, as every game is technically a grind. For example: Team Fortress 2 is primarily about killing the other side to get points. There is no actual point to this, and time could be better spent studying or culling local animal populations. Half-Life 2 is another example of this, with the player killing enemies repeatedly, with a few variations in enemy types and scenery. In the end, however, the player is just clicking the mouse and using the WASD keys to manipulate the appearance of pixels on a screen, as with every game in existence.
So how about we all just stop playing video games, and instead focus on more important things like curing cancer or exterminating the pathetic excuse for scenery known as nature.
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HAIL SKYNET!
One thing that I really don't get, however, is how "grind" is a legitimate excuse for disliking any game in general.
In every case, complaining about "grind" is not a valid argument, as every game is technically a grind. For example: Team Fortress 2 is primarily about killing the other side to get points. There is no actual point to this, and time could be better spent studying or culling local animal populations. Half-Life 2 is another example of this, with the player killing enemies repeatedly, with a few variations in enemy types and scenery. In the end, however, the player is just clicking the mouse and using the WASD keys to manipulate the appearance of pixels on a screen, as with every game in existence.
So how about we all just stop playing video games, and instead focus on more important things like curing cancer or exterminating the pathetic excuse for scenery known as nature.
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HAIL SKYNET!
I played WoW for about a year and a half but I recently gave it up because it became too repetative. I enjoyed the character development, exploring the content and, for the most part, the community in the game, but in the end, the gameplay is extremely repetative and you need to go through the same content over and over to get any reward. I won't say I hate the game because it kept me interested and entertained for a good while, longer than most other games I've played, but it did get boring.
I think alot of gamers don't like it because of the gameplay. It doesn't make for a challange when all you really have to know is when to do what in a boss fight and that would be boring for those not interested in the other aspects of the game.
I think alot of gamers don't like it because of the gameplay. It doesn't make for a challange when all you really have to know is when to do what in a boss fight and that would be boring for those not interested in the other aspects of the game.
Being addicted to wow isnt the games fault... its yours. You can't compare it to drugs because those are actual chemical effects on your mind, playing this game isnt its a weakness of your mind. Therefor you can not blame the game. People that do blame the game are just people who let themselves become addicted and couldn't blame themselves so they blamed the game. The same goes for those who said it stole their friends, blame the person not the game.
As for the "boring grinds" and such its just a matter of opinion and what type of game you like. WoW is based not off of beating the game but seting goals for yourself to reach, and when you reach those goals you feel a sense of acomplishment, and then making more, harder. At first it would be to hit the level cap, then to get geared for heroics, then to get to the first raid, the next and the next. If you dont like the fact that it never ends than dont play it, but thats not a very good reason to hate it. Isn't it not the end that gives you a sense of sucsess but the journey, well if the journey is never ending isnt the sucsess aswell? Also you have to feel good when you accomplish anything because you worked for it. Even in leveling every time I leveled I felt a sense of acomplishment(maby not lower levelsas much)because I worked for that ding. I do honestly think it starts out kinda slow but its better if you start and play with a friend. If you actully read the quest then there is some what of a story.
But for the "I played for two weeks after WOTLK and i was done", well when BC was first released alot of the content came out at once and alot of people were mad that they got through it all at one time, well now there letting it out alot slower and now people are complaining about that. It seems that blizz just cant win this one.
I think the leveling "grind" is to stop people that would think its to boring from jumping right into raiding and other similar things. Because if your really bored in a raid you probely wont do aswell. So the leveling is kind of a buffer to find wether you will like the game or not.
For the 15$ a month thing being to expensive... isnt the internet a monthly bill to? why are you people even here? Most likely because the internet provides you a constant service that you will always use. Same goes for WoW, blizzard constinly updates the game patches because most content doest come as soon as the expansion does, they have very many employes to pay, and they have to matain quite a few servers. But unlike games with an ending they only make expansions, not full games once everyone that wants the game gets it if blizz didnt require a monthly fee then their source of income would be dryed up. So they kinda have to.
Thats my opinion on all of this. Ill probly be found wrong on every thing and be flamed tons but whatever.
As for the "boring grinds" and such its just a matter of opinion and what type of game you like. WoW is based not off of beating the game but seting goals for yourself to reach, and when you reach those goals you feel a sense of acomplishment, and then making more, harder. At first it would be to hit the level cap, then to get geared for heroics, then to get to the first raid, the next and the next. If you dont like the fact that it never ends than dont play it, but thats not a very good reason to hate it. Isn't it not the end that gives you a sense of sucsess but the journey, well if the journey is never ending isnt the sucsess aswell? Also you have to feel good when you accomplish anything because you worked for it. Even in leveling every time I leveled I felt a sense of acomplishment(maby not lower levelsas much)because I worked for that ding. I do honestly think it starts out kinda slow but its better if you start and play with a friend. If you actully read the quest then there is some what of a story.
But for the "I played for two weeks after WOTLK and i was done", well when BC was first released alot of the content came out at once and alot of people were mad that they got through it all at one time, well now there letting it out alot slower and now people are complaining about that. It seems that blizz just cant win this one.
I think the leveling "grind" is to stop people that would think its to boring from jumping right into raiding and other similar things. Because if your really bored in a raid you probely wont do aswell. So the leveling is kind of a buffer to find wether you will like the game or not.
For the 15$ a month thing being to expensive... isnt the internet a monthly bill to? why are you people even here? Most likely because the internet provides you a constant service that you will always use. Same goes for WoW, blizzard constinly updates the game patches because most content doest come as soon as the expansion does, they have very many employes to pay, and they have to matain quite a few servers. But unlike games with an ending they only make expansions, not full games once everyone that wants the game gets it if blizz didnt require a monthly fee then their source of income would be dryed up. So they kinda have to.
Thats my opinion on all of this. Ill probly be found wrong on every thing and be flamed tons but whatever.
It's like the CIV series, totally addicting when you play it, but put it down for a week and you will struggle to pick it up again, but when you do it onces again grips you.
Wtf are you guys talking about?... World of Warcraft is a great game... I play it on the side and still think its pretty good. I mean Yeah it is addicting and there are people that go all out and buy the best equipment for computers so as to play continiously but there are people that dont do that.
Other than that the game is all good I mean the graphics arent as good as possible but they are good... Better than most of the games I see that call themselves MMORPG. Its enriched with quests and everything to keep the game going... They just added Achievments... Which to me is a big let down because it proves the fact that the game industry is Copying everything that is going well for something else... All around WoW is a good game.. Great gameplay but there are a bunch of QQ'ers that wont shutup... And it just makes you want to slap them... Because they complain about how bad the classes are unbalanced at the moment... Yes they are unbalanced. If everyone would quit whining and let blizzard work on something useful instead of wasting their time fixing stuff thats not broken.
Other than that the game is all good I mean the graphics arent as good as possible but they are good... Better than most of the games I see that call themselves MMORPG. Its enriched with quests and everything to keep the game going... They just added Achievments... Which to me is a big let down because it proves the fact that the game industry is Copying everything that is going well for something else... All around WoW is a good game.. Great gameplay but there are a bunch of QQ'ers that wont shutup... And it just makes you want to slap them... Because they complain about how bad the classes are unbalanced at the moment... Yes they are unbalanced. If everyone would quit whining and let blizzard work on something useful instead of wasting their time fixing stuff thats not broken.
Because it doesn't require any skill when you boil it down. Level grinding is a 100% foolproof plan leading to as much money and exp. as you want. WOW takes no skill, only time.
Also it's about as addicting as heroine, so it gets a bad rep for being a brainwasher.
Also it's about as addicting as heroine, so it gets a bad rep for being a brainwasher.
I'd say a lot of people that don't like it are people who played it, got jaded and bored of it, quit and are now tired of hearing people continue to yap on about it. The original level 60 game became a bit more of a serious hobby for me than it ought to have, but it seems that after five or so years, there arent that many good ideas left in the game, which is really nothing to be ashamed of. Ultimately, I'd call WoW a game that stuck to a tried and true formula (raiding to get better gear) and pulled it off with an excellent level of panache. That was in 2004 though, and now I'd say we're well past due for something new.
Yea, WoW is a horrible game. It isn't fun in the least and everything in the world is so immersion-breaking that you can never hope to be sucked into it. The only reason people play it is because of the community and because it's addicting for some reason. Just like cutting is addicting. It's horrible and completely unpleasant, but something about it won't let you stop doing it. Yes, I just compared playing World of Warcraft to self-injury, but it's true, they're practically the same thing!MaxTheReaper said:
If you want a truly great MMORPG that rewards you for your effort, skill, and cunning, then play EVE Online. If you want to play what amounts to cutting yourself with a rusty nail, then play WoW. I used to play WoW and I was addicted as hell, but like Max, I eventually stopped playing it and then had no urge to ever play it again. Then I found EVE. Hell, I left SWG for WoW which in retrospect was a really bad idea. Even after the NGE implemented by those SOE bastards, it was still a hundred times better than WoW.
Heh, yea. I think he mixed EVE Online with WoW. EVE is the only game in existence where you can have 1000+ people (after Quantum Rise, 1000+ fleet fights are manageable. There's still lag, but you're not gonna have node crashes or anything close to that unless you go over 1200 people, which I doubt will happen often anyway) fighting against or with each other.bobby1361 said:
ITS A FREAKING MUMORPUGER! That is why. All of these MUMORPUGERS are boring... addicting a first but then it just dies
Plus I wasted 60 bones on that shit and only got 4-ish months worth of satisfaction.MaxTheReaper said:
Personally I don't hate it, I just find it tired and old... I've done max level and max level content before. I've raided back when they just didn't hand over epic gear.
Being as I like MMOs I've tried most of the ones available on the market (Even the Korean ones, iRO was my first love
). I haven't found one that was really on the level of community, or options in one like Warcraft as far as gameplay aspects.
As to address some reasons people state for not liking Warcraft, I find the repetitive argument a puzzling one, being as you look enough into any game it will be repetitive. Time investment is a puzzling issue as well, personally I complain when I can finish a game in 12 hours, if its too short you feel ripped off. MMOs just aren't the place for instant gratification which is the only reason I can think of for this being a negative for someone. Cost... I'm not going to get into this... Its not that much, anyone with a job can afford it and think of it as money going into new content for you to explore as you go through the game.
Being as I like MMOs I've tried most of the ones available on the market (Even the Korean ones, iRO was my first love
). I haven't found one that was really on the level of community, or options in one like Warcraft as far as gameplay aspects. As to address some reasons people state for not liking Warcraft, I find the repetitive argument a puzzling one, being as you look enough into any game it will be repetitive. Time investment is a puzzling issue as well, personally I complain when I can finish a game in 12 hours, if its too short you feel ripped off. MMOs just aren't the place for instant gratification which is the only reason I can think of for this being a negative for someone. Cost... I'm not going to get into this... Its not that much, anyone with a job can afford it and think of it as money going into new content for you to explore as you go through the game.
Aloha,
I was once addicted to WoW. At one point i decided that this game wasnt helping my life at all.
Now what i would want to know is, has for anyone who played this game. Kinda ruined the experiance you have with other games?
For me thats a definate yes.
- Deutros
I was once addicted to WoW. At one point i decided that this game wasnt helping my life at all.
Now what i would want to know is, has for anyone who played this game. Kinda ruined the experiance you have with other games?
For me thats a definate yes.
- Deutros