World of Warships feel real ships not worth the effort

[srm79]

By bought I mean the people that negotiated the contract.

Aha, that makes more sense! You had me wondering for a while there - "One previous owner, full service history, minor body work carried out within last 4 years" :-O

 

[Albino Boo]

By bought I mean the people that negotiated the contract.

Aha, that makes more sense! You had me wondering for a while there - "One previous owner, full service history, minor body work carried out within last 4 years" :-O

It was a little more than minor bodywork, one of them hit a French SSBN last year. However not expensive as the SSN that hit Ireland a 15 years or so ago.

 

[srm79]

It was a little more than minor bodywork, one of them hit a French SSBN last year. However not expensive as the SSN that hit Ireland a 15 years or so ago.

More like 5 years ago that she bumped into the French boat - both captains playing SSN, both boats so quiet they lost track of each other until the *CLANG*? I remember that, because it was before HMS Astute "ran into difficulties" as the MoD put it. What she actually ran into was the Isle of Skye...oops!

I don't remember one running aground in Ireland, but then again depending on how publicly it happened I suppose they would want to keep the lid on that sort of thing.

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

I'm okay with it get the genreailites down then start getting your upgrades and accessories in order to push the stats up.

 

[Jarulek]

I don't see why this is a surprise to anyone. Wargaming has proven before that they don't give a shit about historical accuracy in regards to Tech-Tree Composition in any way.
Just look at the WaffenTrager E-100 to see my point. That was made up by Wargaming to take the place of the T10 German TD. There was a prototype that could have taken that place, the WaffenTrager Panther, but Wargaming decided that they'd rather create their own tank instead.
This has been a problem for some time in Wargamings stuff, and it will probably continue. I don't have so much of a problem with prototypes being put in but when a large chunk of the tanks in the game are either Paper or Prototype tanks, it does cause some problems, especially balancing. I think its something like nearly 60% of the tanks in game are Paper/Prototype tanks.

 

[BaronIveagh]

I don't see why this is a surprise to anyone. Wargaming has proven before that they don't give a shit about historical accuracy in regards to Tech-Tree Composition in any way.
Just look at the WaffenTrager E-100 to see my point. That was made up by Wargaming to take the place of the T10 German TD. There was a prototype that could have taken that place, the WaffenTrager Panther, but Wargaming decided that they'd rather create their own tank instead.
This has been a problem for some time in Wargamings stuff, and it will probably continue. I don't have so much of a problem with prototypes being put in but when a large chunk of the tanks in the game are either Paper or Prototype tanks, it does cause some problems, especially balancing. I think its something like nearly 60% of the tanks in game are Paper/Prototype tanks.

This is true. It's like the E50. The E50 was a paper project, and originally appearened in game as that paper project. Then WG decided they needed a T10 med and created a fantasy version of the E50, and then made the paper project version the 'E50m'.


The thing that sort of set this apart though was previously, WG took the time to try and justify what they were doing or just ignore complaints.

This time they flat out said that real ships were not worth the effort. They'd have to go through all that work of rebalancing. Mind you the game is in Alpha still. They're probably going to have to do that anyway unless they're trying to hustle the game out the door as fast as possible. I'm told they're already getting ready for Beta. Which is not reassuring, as it means the alpha went on for less than a month. Apparently they're still trying to get carriers mechanic to work right.

Further, and this is just my point of view: a ship is a hell of a lot different than the faceless masses of tanks and planes. Ask someone in the US (and probably Japan) about their Grandfather/Great Grandfather in WW2 and if they were army or army airforce, you might hear 'They drove a Sherman' or 'They flew a Thunderbolt'. If they were in the Navy they didn't serve on 'a Mahan Class' They served on the 'USS Reid'. It's a very different thing, and I don't think that WG realizes that their audience for this game is to going not to be the 'arcade' style players, as the matches for this take about a half an hour, and require an even higher degree of teamwork than any other WG game. The target audiance are supposedly the more 'RTS' players, but those same players are the one's most likely to take them to task over inaccuracies in the ships, let alone paper projects.

The complaints about refusing to include certain weapons on certain ship classes regardless of what they carried in real life are already coming in. Battleships are not allowed torpedoes, as an example, even though some classes carried them.

its maybe worth remembering that one of the genuinely great things about the tiering, spreading and win ratio balancing in WoT is that, if you want, you can quite happily just play any vehicle (or garage of vehicles) you want (that is there) and consoling yourself a little with that.

bound to be something you like (if you're into this kind of thing)

to me that's always been one of the major attractions of the whole game.

now where's my Iowa and Graf Spee...

Iowa is a T9. Graf Spee is not in the game. The German Tech Tree will be post launch. and so far the Panzershiff (like Graff Spee) appear to be T4 prems in the battleship line, though this may change. by the time it comes out.

 

[WouldYouKindly]

This is the problem I've had with Wargaming. They tend to make square pegs fit into round holes. If the vehicle would be utterly outclassed in it's tier in real life, give it a gun it not only didn't have but couldn't have carried in it's normal design, like the Jagdpanther with the 105mm gun.

If that won't work anymore, look for some long forgotten blueprint that even the Nazis thought was too crazy to try and then give it make believe guns.

You should never have prototypes or blueprints where a real machine would suffice. Also, it's not like they're unfamiliar with just fucking around with things for the sake of balance.

 

[beastro]

Er...not quite. It's the first capital ship built under a new Monarchs reign that is traditionally named after said Monarch. Whether or not it is the first in class doesn't matter. The third KGV, HMS Duke of York was named in honour of George VI.

Which are synonymous since the standardization of classes since Victoria class because they've all been lead ships in classes until George VI broke tradition.

DoY was neither the first battleship of his reign nor traditionally named in that sense since it was a secondary title similar to how Royal Sovereign and Monarch are named after the reigning monarch.

 

[Jarulek]

Well, to be honest I don't have much of a problem with prototypes being put in, because at least one of them was built and tested, so we have real information about its characteristics.

The problem I have is with Paper projects being put in, because there's no real info about its characteristics, which means that you can do whatever you like with it and it could still be 'True' as such.

and the less said about completely made-up stuff the better, other than it should never happen. I'll take some forgotten blue-print of something so crazy even Hitler didn't want it over something that's just been made-up.

Oh, and Baronlveagh, its the other way around: the Fantasy version of the E-50 is in game as the E-50m, the original paper project is the Tier 9.
And now I'm remembering the days when the Panther was Tier 8, and the Panther 2 didn't even exist. Any one else remember those times? When there were only German and Russian tanks in-game, Mediums, Tank Destroyers and SPGs only went to Tier 8, and the Maus was actually good?

 

[srm79]

Er...not quite. It's the first capital ship built under a new Monarchs reign that is traditionally named after said Monarch. Whether or not it is the first in class doesn't matter. The third KGV, HMS Duke of York was named in honour of George VI.

Which are synonymous since the standardization of classes since Victoria class because they've all been lead ships in classes until George VI broke tradition.

Not relevant, as what you said was:

Less confusing in your mind, as you said, you don't really know much about warships, but it is to those who know the proper terminology and is something you should dump.

What you're describing are types of ship. The KGVs aren't technically a class, they are one, in fact there are two classes of KGV battleships thanks to George the VI breaking tradition and refusing to have the latest class be named after him and preferred they be named after his father instead.

I merely pointed out that's quite right. You said it was the first class of warship built in the reign, whereas it's the first capital ship, regardless of whether it's first in class or not. The fact that the post-Victoria class ships named after monarchs have also been first in class is coincidental. Correlation is not causation. Had Edward VII died a month earlier than he did, either HMS Conqueror or HMS Thunderer (3rd and 4th in the Orion class) would have been given the moniker KGV. That's also why it's taken over 60 years for there to be an HMS Queen Elizabeth - we haven't built a capital ship since WWII. If it was the first new class, there'd have been one years ago as we never got out of the frigate/destroyer business.

DoY was neither the first battleship of his reign nor traditionally named in that sense since it was a secondary title similar to how Royal Sovereign and Monarch are named after the reigning monarch.

I never said it was the first, I just dropped that in as a little bit of trivia, and to point out they did name a ship in his honour, albeit in a roundabout way. Presumably the Admiralty saw the obvious potential for confusion by having a KG-V and a KG-VI in the fleet at the same time.