World War Z (the movie) just isn't very good

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There's always the chance they make a zombie movie off a game. I can see a cash-in happening once Dead Rising or Left 4 Dead become more popular.
Yeah but...lol

Dead Rising is basically John Romero's Dawn of the Dead made into a bit of a spoof, and Left 4 Dead has barely any story. It's all about the 4 co-op gameplay and how are they going to translate that into a movie that cries for a better story?

If anything, the Last of Us is the only option I see.

LoL, why can't we move onto something different like a Werewolf apocalypse for once, or Jam like Yahtzee's book. Hell - at least try doing a remake of The Omega Man with Charlton Heston where the horde of monsters are just bat-shit crazy occultist in dark robes raving like lunatics...now that would be awesome!

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edit: I got it, bat-shit crazy Cthulhu worshipers raving like lunatics...trying to summon the Dark One to arise...INSTANT GOLD!
 

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so OP, tell me why those genres can't work together as a single story?
after all, life doesn't follow a single theme or genre, so why can't a movie do the same? Not every moment has to be action or horror, the whole thing doesn't have to focus on a disaster, it can rise out of that you know.
For me, a good story is dynamic, it has ups and downs, it changes from point to point and doesn't feel like just one thing
 

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Don't hate on the zombie wave! It's one of mother nature's most wondrous sights.
Do they ever explain how a horde of mindless zombies could be organized enough to quickly make towers to take out helicopters, get up walls, and the other showpiece moments from the trailers? Or how the infection was able to spread across continents in a matter of days?
No. It's just assumed they have some sort of elaborate hive mind guiding them. All they do is pile up though.
So, it might as well be telepathy?

Yes. During the beginning of the movie we can see and hear a news report going on in the background about a plane crash from a few days earlier (and Marshall Law being announced ever since). It's assumed that's the source of the zombie spread linking Eurasia with America. Later on we get to experience a plane crash from within that illustrates perfectly how such a thing would happen.

EDIT: Also, it takes exactly 12 seconds for a person to turn into a zombie. So zombies basically snowball over people and the horde gets bigger every few seconds. One fine example of those "unstoppable forces of nature".
Fair enough, but it brings up other issues. How the heck does the horde continue going out at olympics speeds without tiring or their joints falling apart?
 

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Fair enough, but it brings up other issues. How the heck does the horde continue going out at olympics speeds without tiring or their joints falling apart?
Maybe the freshly turned zombies keep replacing the old-ish zombies? Some zombies just drag along after all.
 

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so OP, tell me why those genres can't work together as a single story?
after all, life doesn't follow a single theme or genre, so why can't a movie do the same? Not every moment has to be action or horror, the whole thing doesn't have to focus on a disaster, it can rise out of that you know.
For me, a good story is dynamic, it has ups and downs, it changes from point to point and doesn't feel like just one thing
A movie can't "do the same as life" because a movie isn't life, it's a version of life, as in a particular take on it. And this isn't movie voodoo by the way: no work of art "does the same as life". They portray it. They interpret it. And in that subjective key, they're just one (1) possible way of imagining it. But they're never exactly as. They all discriminate. "Film is life with the dull bits cut out," as Hitchcock said, kinda, for example.

I can advertise any Indiana Jones movie as having comedic, dramatic, romantic and suspenseful moods, just as I can say it takes cues from the action, horror, war and even sci-fi genres. But this is all subjugated to the rules of the adventure movie, which is the grand syntactic guiding post of those movies.

WWZ is lacking in any central idea whatsoever. Is it a horror movie? It's not very scary. Is it an action movie? The shaky-cam action sucks. Is it an adventure movie? The South Korea scenes look like shit you or I could shoot at nighttime in any school playground. Is it a disaster movie? I guess not, because I never cared for the fate of any of the characters in it. The fate of the ENTIRE world is at stake, but we meet very few people, and fewer people of any relevance, and we get just one protagonist. I've cared more for the lives of two people locked inside a room in a very different movie than I ever did for the 7 billion human beings at risk in WWZ.

Now I'm not saying you can't pull the Jack-of-all-Trades card in a movie and get away with it, but it would imply a degree of quality, taste and finesse the makers (too many of them) of WWZ have. As it stands, it's just a jumble of incoherent stuff, none of which is very good and all of which mean very little.
 

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I just came back from the cinema watching it and overall it's ok. In saying so this is coming from a guy who had never heard or read the book until I seen the trailer to the film.

I generally didn't had a problem with the different gernes that the OP stated but I will say that for a zomebie film, it is rather tame (no gore or blood at all including those off sceen violence). Well it is a 15 althought it could of been an 18. Out of the summer films I've seen so far (including Hangover part 3 and Oblivion), it's rank in the middle probably bottom if I haven't seen those other two awful movies.

Finally a zombie film that actually used the word "zombie" and "undead". Sure there is no other zombie reference but I can lived with that. I'm also happy that at least in that film universe, the term zombie was at least the original myth/ folklore that it originate from.

Why was that guy mugging the main guy wife? It seen rather redundent given the supermarket raid but yet again people can be stupid at times.

Lol with that scientist guy, I thought he was a proper cast to the film and he got himself killed in less than 5 minute. Is that breaking away from a trope since I thought his role to find the origin of the virus and the cure for it means he was important? I guess not given that the main character himself came up with a theory to the cure and he ain't a scientist at all!

What exactly happen in the landing in South Korea scene? All the Navy Seal got killed off except for him and the pilot and what about that other guy that was with them to refull the plane? Did he get bitten and shot himself?

The main guy wife is an idiot. She knew he was in a dangerous mission and had first contact with the undead, she decided to phone him in the middle of his operation.

If he knew that sound is what attract the undead, why didn't he warn the government guy when those people were having a rally near the wall. Speaking of the wall, how is it they were taking in the refugee while also keeping the undead out? It look like a Helm Deep sort of barricade?

Why did he brought that woman along with him. Is she like that government guy assistant? I'm not saying he sould of leave her but it just feel like she wasn't that important in the film.

I can't help but to lol that the scientist that came with them to get the viruses was just the role of the screw up. I'm surpise that he didn't get killed/ bitten to the amount of stuff he set off!

Also with him grabbing a drink is so a product placement scene, having a good shot of the Pepsi vending machine.

EDIT- Just remember another one, so that scientist girl phone the other wing for Gerry/ Brad to tell him the code to enter that vault, why couldn't they phone varies places inside that building to lure the zombie away? Even if that didn't work, why couldn't the three of them just make some sound like throwing something at a distance to lure them away from them?
 

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"Not very good" was kind of an understatement. I dedicated a whole review here [http://kevinsreviewcatalogue.blogspot.com/2013/06/review-world-war-z-2013.html] to dissecting why this film fails not as an adaptation, but as a movie on its own merits. I really wanted to keep any of my fanboyism of the book from seeping over, so I kept discussion of the book and this film's adaptation decay limited to just one paragraph, but I can most certainly say that this was not World War Z.
 

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I just came back from the cinema watching it and overall it's ok. In saying so this is coming from a guy who had never heard or read the book until I seen the trailer to the film.

I generally didn't had a problem with the different gernes that the OP stated but I will say that for a zomebie film, it is rather tame (no gore or blood at all including those off sceen violence). Well it is a 15 althought it could of been an 18. Out of the summer films I've seen so far (including Hangover part 3 and Oblivion), it's rank in the middle probably bottom if I haven't seen those other two awful movies.

Finnaly a zombie film that actually used the word "zombie" and "undead". Sure there is no other zombie reference but I can lived with that. I'm also happy that at least in that film universe, the term zombie was at least the original myth/ folklore that it originate from.

Why was that guy mugging the main guy wife? It seen rather redundent given the supermarket raid but yet again people can be stupid at times.

Lol with that scientist guy, I thought he was a proper cast to the film and he got himself killed in less than 5 minute. Is that breaking away from a trope since I thought his role to find the origin of the virus and the cure for it means he was important? I guess not given that the main character himself came up with a theory to the cure and he ain't a scientist at all!

What exactly happen in the landing in South Korea scene? All the Navy Seal got killed off except for him and the pilot and what about that other guy that was with them to reful the plane? Did he get bitten and shot himself?

The main guy wife is an idiot. She knew he was in a dangerous mission and had first contact with the undead, she decided to phone him in the middle of his operation.

If he knew that sound is what attract the undead, why didn't he warn the government guy when those people were having a rally near the wall. Speaking of the wall, how is it they were taking in the refugee while also keeping the undead out. It look like a Helm Deep just of barricade?

Why did he brought that woman along with him. Is she like that government guy assistant? I'm not saying he sould of leave her but it just feel like she wasn't that important in the film.

I can't help but to lol that the scientist that came with them to get the viruses was just the role of the screw up. I'm surpise that he didn't get killed/ bitten to the amount of stuff he set off!

Also with him grabbing a drink is so a product placement scene, having a good shot of the Pepsi vending machine.
The whole Korean portion is the most half-baked bit of the movie, I think. It looks like crap, you never get a good idea of what's happening or who's doing what, and it feels like filler considering it gets nothing accomplished.
 

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I didn't like it at all :// I've read the book too and met Max Brooks. He told me he had no idea what was happening with the movie, it was still being filmed at the time. He just stayed out of it. Guess he knew ://

I just thought it focused on Brad Pitt way too much. He would just happen to go to the right places in the world and just happened to find the cure all by himself while a group of medical specialists couldn't figure it out. I don't know. I didn't like it at all.

I know the book itself would be hard to recreate, because it's tons of interviews. I guess I just had my hopes up.
 

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I didn't like it at all :// I've read the book too and met Max Brooks. He told me he had no idea what was happening with the movie, it was still being filmed at the time. He just stayed out of it. Guess he knew ://

I just thought it focused on Brad Pitt way too much. He would just happen to go to the right places in the world and just happened to find the cure all by himself while a group of medical specialists couldn't figure it out. I don't know. I didn't like it at all.

I know the book itself would be hard to recreate, because it's tons of interviews. I guess I just had my hopes up.
I wanted to ask someone who had read the book, is Gerry Lane in it and does the plot from one of the stories/accounts even begin to mirror the movie's? Agreed on Brad Pitt's character though - he more or less stumbled upon a cure simply by being at the right place and at the right time. All that travel felt like filled once I realized he wasn't looking for the source of the infection, and that making up a cure was practically an afterthought.
 

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I just came back from the cinema watching it and overall it's ok. In saying so this is coming from a guy who had never heard or read the book until I seen the trailer to the film.

I generally didn't had a problem with the different gernes that the OP stated but I will say that for a zomebie film, it is rather tame (no gore or blood at all including those off sceen violence). Well it is a 15 althought it could of been an 18. Out of the summer films I've seen so far (including Hangover part 3 and Oblivion), it's rank in the middle probably bottom if I haven't seen those other two awful movies.

Finally a zombie film that actually used the word "zombie" and "undead". Sure there is no other zombie reference but I can lived with that. I'm also happy that at least in that film universe, the term zombie was at least the original myth/ folklore that it originate from.

Why was that guy mugging the main guy wife? It seen rather redundent given the supermarket raid but yet again people can be stupid at times.

Lol with that scientist guy, I thought he was a proper cast to the film and he got himself killed in less than 5 minute. Is that breaking away from a trope since I thought his role to find the origin of the virus and the cure for it means he was important? I guess not given that the main character himself came up with a theory to the cure and he ain't a scientist at all!

What exactly happen in the landing in South Korea scene? All the Navy Seal got killed off except for him and the pilot and what about that other guy that was with them to refull the plane? Did he get bitten and shot himself?

The main guy wife is an idiot. She knew he was in a dangerous mission and had first contact with the undead, she decided to phone him in the middle of his operation.

If he knew that sound is what attract the undead, why didn't he warn the government guy when those people were having a rally near the wall. Speaking of the wall, how is it they were taking in the refugee while also keeping the undead out? It look like a Helm Deep sort of barricade?

Why did he brought that woman along with him. Is she like that government guy assistant? I'm not saying he sould of leave her but it just feel like she wasn't that important in the film.

I can't help but to lol that the scientist that came with them to get the viruses was just the role of the screw up. I'm surpise that he didn't get killed/ bitten to the amount of stuff he set off!

Also with him grabbing a drink is so a product placement scene, having a good shot of the Pepsi vending machine.

EDIT- Just remember another one, so that scientist girl phone the other wing for Gerry/ Brad to tell him the code to enter that vault, why couldn't they phone varies places inside that building to lure the zombie away? Even if that didn't work, why couldn't the three of them just make some sound like throwing something at a distance to lure them away from them?
Count me in with the whole "it wasn't that bad" group, never read the books either.

Response to some of your notes

The supermarket scene seemed rather silly. I know shit is going down out in the world, but I find it hard to believe that even in craziness, people would just sit there while a women is obviously screaming for help and being held down by two men, and just let it be.

And what was the deal with Thomas and family? Why even have the family in there at all? To counteract the whole "people let rape happen" scene? Next, when Brad Pitt tells them "I worked in dangerous places, people who moved survived, people who stayed died", why the hell didn't he tell them about the helicopter? Of course they didn't go with him, for all they know, he's some guy running to the top of the building. Why not just say, "Hey, there's a helicopter coming, let's get the fuck outta here".

The scientist guy pissed me off too. How the hell do you manage to shoot yourself like that? I get it, a metal plankway is slippery, but it just seems impossible when falling to have a gun in your hand shoot you in the head. Unless it was a ricochet or something?

As far as the South Korea landing, what I got was, it's the Doctor, Brad Pitt, the Pilot, and one (two?) SEALs. They land, the Zombies start moving, and the Doctor kills himself. Maybe another SEAL dies, or maybe that was one of the base soldiers, but three people go into the base. And when they're leaving, it's Pitt, Pilot, and SEAL on the bikes, with the Base Captain driving the fuel truck.

I'll throw in a little defense for the wife, she didn't know what Pitt was doing, and he had just tried to call her. When people try to call me, and our call is dropped or something, I know I call them back, so I think she's excused. As for Brad Pitt.....turn that shit on vibrate man! Anyways back to the base, because the phone goes off, the fuel truck has to come early before the 3 of them are holed up on the plane, so they fight their way on the plane while the Base Commander starts the fueling process. But he's forced away from the truck, and apparently the plane can't take off without the pump out of the plane, so that's where the SEAL guy leaves to go take care of that while Pitt/Pilot lock themselves in the cockpit. The Base Commander gets bitten and commits suicide, and the SEAL guy is probably just eaten off-screen

The City thing really pissed me off. So there's an entire city behind the wall, filled with cars/buses/millions of people/and a security checkpoint, but maybe a couple hundred people singing a song over a megaphone is suddenly "too loud"? Bullshit. And you're telling me that don't have guards up on the wall? Or a helicopter circling the perimeter of the city? To make sure that sort of thing doesn't happen?

And the Israeli girl was one of his escorts in the city, and I guess they just decided to stick together after escaping Jerusalem.

As far as the WHO facility, it just seems odd to me that such a state of the art facility would have so many squeaky hinges, maintenance has really been slacking.

My last gripe with the movie, is when he's picking which deadly sickness to use. There's almost a bit of tension since if he picks a too potent one, the assumption is he could die before making it out. One of the Doctors even says "No, don't pick that one." and "If he uses any of the ones from that left cabinet, he's dead anyways". So why doesn't he hold up a sign saying "I'm going to hold these up to the security camera for 10 seconds, you call the phone and let it ring X times with the one that will let me live longest" or something like that. But then he's given a magic shot and there's no worry.

All in all, it was a pretty enjoyable movie, better than Man of Steel anyways, even if the characters did suffer from Horror Movie stupidity.
 

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Scarim Coral said:
I just came back from the cinema watching it and overall it's ok. In saying so this is coming from a guy who had never heard or read the book until I seen the trailer to the film.

I generally didn't had a problem with the different gernes that the OP stated but I will say that for a zomebie film, it is rather tame (no gore or blood at all including those off sceen violence). Well it is a 15 althought it could of been an 18. Out of the summer films I've seen so far (including Hangover part 3 and Oblivion), it's rank in the middle probably bottom if I haven't seen those other two awful movies.

Finally a zombie film that actually used the word "zombie" and "undead". Sure there is no other zombie reference but I can lived with that. I'm also happy that at least in that film universe, the term zombie was at least the original myth/ folklore that it originate from.

Why was that guy mugging the main guy wife? It seen rather redundent given the supermarket raid but yet again people can be stupid at times.

Lol with that scientist guy, I thought he was a proper cast to the film and he got himself killed in less than 5 minute. Is that breaking away from a trope since I thought his role to find the origin of the virus and the cure for it means he was important? I guess not given that the main character himself came up with a theory to the cure and he ain't a scientist at all!

What exactly happen in the landing in South Korea scene? All the Navy Seal got killed off except for him and the pilot and what about that other guy that was with them to refull the plane? Did he get bitten and shot himself?

The main guy wife is an idiot. She knew he was in a dangerous mission and had first contact with the undead, she decided to phone him in the middle of his operation.

If he knew that sound is what attract the undead, why didn't he warn the government guy when those people were having a rally near the wall. Speaking of the wall, how is it they were taking in the refugee while also keeping the undead out? It look like a Helm Deep sort of barricade?

Why did he brought that woman along with him. Is she like that government guy assistant? I'm not saying he sould of leave her but it just feel like she wasn't that important in the film.

I can't help but to lol that the scientist that came with them to get the viruses was just the role of the screw up. I'm surpise that he didn't get killed/ bitten to the amount of stuff he set off!

Also with him grabbing a drink is so a product placement scene, having a good shot of the Pepsi vending machine.

EDIT- Just remember another one, so that scientist girl phone the other wing for Gerry/ Brad to tell him the code to enter that vault, why couldn't they phone varies places inside that building to lure the zombie away? Even if that didn't work, why couldn't the three of them just make some sound like throwing something at a distance to lure them away from them?
Count me in with the whole "it wasn't that bad" group, never read the books either.

Response to some of your notes

The supermarket scene seemed rather silly. I know shit is going down out in the world, but I find it hard to believe that even in craziness, people would just sit there while a women is obviously screaming for help and being held down by two men, and just let it be.

And what was the deal with Thomas and family? Why even have the family in there at all? To counteract the whole "people let rape happen" scene? Next, when Brad Pitt tells them "I worked in dangerous places, people who moved survived, people who stayed died", why the hell didn't he tell them about the helicopter? Of course they didn't go with him, for all they know, he's some guy running to the top of the building. Why not just say, "Hey, there's a helicopter coming, let's get the fuck outta here".

The scientist guy pissed me off too. How the hell do you manage to shoot yourself like that? I get it, a metal plankway is slippery, but it just seems impossible when falling to have a gun in your hand shoot you in the head. Unless it was a ricochet or something?

As far as the South Korea landing, what I got was, it's the Doctor, Brad Pitt, the Pilot, and one (two?) SEALs. They land, the Zombies start moving, and the Doctor kills himself. Maybe another SEAL dies, or maybe that was one of the base soldiers, but three people go into the base. And when they're leaving, it's Pitt, Pilot, and SEAL on the bikes, with the Base Captain driving the fuel truck.

I'll throw in a little defense for the wife, she didn't know what Pitt was doing, and he had just tried to call her. When people try to call me, and our call is dropped or something, I know I call them back, so I think she's excused. As for Brad Pitt.....turn that shit on vibrate man! Anyways back to the base, because the phone goes off, the fuel truck has to come early before the 3 of them are holed up on the plane, so they fight their way on the plane while the Base Commander starts the fueling process. But he's forced away from the truck, and apparently the plane can't take off without the pump out of the plane, so that's where the SEAL guy leaves to go take care of that while Pitt/Pilot lock themselves in the cockpit. The Base Commander gets bitten and commits suicide, and the SEAL guy is probably just eaten off-screen

The City thing really pissed me off. So there's an entire city behind the wall, filled with cars/buses/millions of people/and a security checkpoint, but maybe a couple hundred people singing a song over a megaphone is suddenly "too loud"? Bullshit. And you're telling me that don't have guards up on the wall? Or a helicopter circling the perimeter of the city? To make sure that sort of thing doesn't happen?

And the Israeli girl was one of his escorts in the city, and I guess they just decided to stick together after escaping Jerusalem.

As far as the WHO facility, it just seems odd to me that such a state of the art facility would have so many squeaky hinges, maintenance has really been slacking.

My last gripe with the movie, is when he's picking which deadly sickness to use. There's almost a bit of tension since if he picks a too potent one, the assumption is he could die before making it out. One of the Doctors even says "No, don't pick that one." and "If he uses any of the ones from that left cabinet, he's dead anyways". So why doesn't he hold up a sign saying "I'm going to hold these up to the security camera for 10 seconds, you call the phone and let it ring X times with the one that will let me live longest" or something like that. But then he's given a magic shot and there's no worry.

All in all, it was a pretty enjoyable movie, better than Man of Steel anyways, even if the characters did suffer from Horror Movie stupidity.
I'd like to add another gripe... did anybody else notice Pitt's character leaves his trusty crowbar OUTSIDE of the medicine room before locking himself in? He deliberately sets it down against the wall and walks in. What the fuck was he thinking?
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
Lionsfan said:
Scarim Coral said:
I just came back from the cinema watching it and overall it's ok. In saying so this is coming from a guy who had never heard or read the book until I seen the trailer to the film.

I generally didn't had a problem with the different gernes that the OP stated but I will say that for a zomebie film, it is rather tame (no gore or blood at all including those off sceen violence). Well it is a 15 althought it could of been an 18. Out of the summer films I've seen so far (including Hangover part 3 and Oblivion), it's rank in the middle probably bottom if I haven't seen those other two awful movies.

Finally a zombie film that actually used the word "zombie" and "undead". Sure there is no other zombie reference but I can lived with that. I'm also happy that at least in that film universe, the term zombie was at least the original myth/ folklore that it originate from.

Why was that guy mugging the main guy wife? It seen rather redundent given the supermarket raid but yet again people can be stupid at times.

Lol with that scientist guy, I thought he was a proper cast to the film and he got himself killed in less than 5 minute. Is that breaking away from a trope since I thought his role to find the origin of the virus and the cure for it means he was important? I guess not given that the main character himself came up with a theory to the cure and he ain't a scientist at all!

What exactly happen in the landing in South Korea scene? All the Navy Seal got killed off except for him and the pilot and what about that other guy that was with them to refull the plane? Did he get bitten and shot himself?

The main guy wife is an idiot. She knew he was in a dangerous mission and had first contact with the undead, she decided to phone him in the middle of his operation.

If he knew that sound is what attract the undead, why didn't he warn the government guy when those people were having a rally near the wall. Speaking of the wall, how is it they were taking in the refugee while also keeping the undead out? It look like a Helm Deep sort of barricade?

Why did he brought that woman along with him. Is she like that government guy assistant? I'm not saying he sould of leave her but it just feel like she wasn't that important in the film.

I can't help but to lol that the scientist that came with them to get the viruses was just the role of the screw up. I'm surpise that he didn't get killed/ bitten to the amount of stuff he set off!

Also with him grabbing a drink is so a product placement scene, having a good shot of the Pepsi vending machine.

EDIT- Just remember another one, so that scientist girl phone the other wing for Gerry/ Brad to tell him the code to enter that vault, why couldn't they phone varies places inside that building to lure the zombie away? Even if that didn't work, why couldn't the three of them just make some sound like throwing something at a distance to lure them away from them?
Count me in with the whole "it wasn't that bad" group, never read the books either.

Response to some of your notes

The supermarket scene seemed rather silly. I know shit is going down out in the world, but I find it hard to believe that even in craziness, people would just sit there while a women is obviously screaming for help and being held down by two men, and just let it be.

And what was the deal with Thomas and family? Why even have the family in there at all? To counteract the whole "people let rape happen" scene? Next, when Brad Pitt tells them "I worked in dangerous places, people who moved survived, people who stayed died", why the hell didn't he tell them about the helicopter? Of course they didn't go with him, for all they know, he's some guy running to the top of the building. Why not just say, "Hey, there's a helicopter coming, let's get the fuck outta here".

The scientist guy pissed me off too. How the hell do you manage to shoot yourself like that? I get it, a metal plankway is slippery, but it just seems impossible when falling to have a gun in your hand shoot you in the head. Unless it was a ricochet or something?

As far as the South Korea landing, what I got was, it's the Doctor, Brad Pitt, the Pilot, and one (two?) SEALs. They land, the Zombies start moving, and the Doctor kills himself. Maybe another SEAL dies, or maybe that was one of the base soldiers, but three people go into the base. And when they're leaving, it's Pitt, Pilot, and SEAL on the bikes, with the Base Captain driving the fuel truck.

I'll throw in a little defense for the wife, she didn't know what Pitt was doing, and he had just tried to call her. When people try to call me, and our call is dropped or something, I know I call them back, so I think she's excused. As for Brad Pitt.....turn that shit on vibrate man! Anyways back to the base, because the phone goes off, the fuel truck has to come early before the 3 of them are holed up on the plane, so they fight their way on the plane while the Base Commander starts the fueling process. But he's forced away from the truck, and apparently the plane can't take off without the pump out of the plane, so that's where the SEAL guy leaves to go take care of that while Pitt/Pilot lock themselves in the cockpit. The Base Commander gets bitten and commits suicide, and the SEAL guy is probably just eaten off-screen

The City thing really pissed me off. So there's an entire city behind the wall, filled with cars/buses/millions of people/and a security checkpoint, but maybe a couple hundred people singing a song over a megaphone is suddenly "too loud"? Bullshit. And you're telling me that don't have guards up on the wall? Or a helicopter circling the perimeter of the city? To make sure that sort of thing doesn't happen?

And the Israeli girl was one of his escorts in the city, and I guess they just decided to stick together after escaping Jerusalem.

As far as the WHO facility, it just seems odd to me that such a state of the art facility would have so many squeaky hinges, maintenance has really been slacking.

My last gripe with the movie, is when he's picking which deadly sickness to use. There's almost a bit of tension since if he picks a too potent one, the assumption is he could die before making it out. One of the Doctors even says "No, don't pick that one." and "If he uses any of the ones from that left cabinet, he's dead anyways". So why doesn't he hold up a sign saying "I'm going to hold these up to the security camera for 10 seconds, you call the phone and let it ring X times with the one that will let me live longest" or something like that. But then he's given a magic shot and there's no worry.

All in all, it was a pretty enjoyable movie, better than Man of Steel anyways, even if the characters did suffer from Horror Movie stupidity.
I'd like to add another gripe... did anybody else notice Pitt's character leaves his trusty crowbar OUTSIDE of the medicine room before locking himself in? He deliberately sets it down against the wall and walks in. What the fuck was he thinking?
Yeah my friend noticed that. Even if you thought you were alone and safe, why would you leave your only weapon out of easy access? Use your brain man! And if we're supposed to think that the one zombie was drawn because of the phone ringing, why didn't they just call other numbers around the facility?

Last issue, I promise, the movie wants us to think that the only safe place for his family (and Thomas), is on the ship. But why is that? Brad Pitt even says "I worked in places like that, refugee camps aren't safe." But the movie never shows us anything like that. We never see a refugee camp lost, or even found. Nova Scotia is a pretty big place, how the hell are Zombies supposed to hear people and find them?
 

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Last issue, I promise, the movie wants us to think that the only safe place for his family (and Thomas), is on the ship. But why is that? Brad Pitt even says "I worked in places like that, refugee camps aren't safe." But the movie never shows us anything like that. We never see a refugee camp lost, or even found. Nova Scotia is a pretty big place, how the hell are Zombies supposed to hear people and find them?
Well, if you were to ask the filmmakers they would probably tell you he was being cynical and jaded at that point, and had lost hope. Bur it's true the movie does nothing to support or undermine his statements. It's obviously a recourse to keep up the tension now that they're off the ship. And the ending goes to show what load of BS that was.
 

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Ok, I enjoyed it for what it was (except the ending was pretty lame)
People keep saying that ?Meh,they couldnt have done the book as a movie anyway?.
But I think they could have. You just need to make the scope more narrow and be a bit more creative with the narrative?and most importantly?. Make the whole film about Todd Waini instead of this Gerry guy.
What do you think?

Act 1:
Pre credits:
Movie begins with intro of Break out (skip the from normal to crazy stuff, drop us off at the start of the action). Follows random hipster family as plague hits Brooklyn. Zombies outside going crazy as seen from window. They are boarding up doors, some watching a TV (to add to narration), basically night of the living dead compressed into a few minutes..building gets overrun anyway because someone inside was sick. Family runs for their lives outside. Bridges closed, trains derailed, streets a mess?they look around .Hopelessness?Roll opening credits.

Opening credits: are stuffed with newcasts and scenes of zombie nightmares from around the world, intercut with people talking in interview format (Paul Redeker talking about what they are doing in South Africa, a report on what?s going on in Israel, clip of Dr. Jingshu screaming through prison bars or ending the credits with him describing patient zero in a low tone as he fades out)

Act 1B: Opens with Waini?s unit is preparing for the Battle of Yonkers, but also includes his chain of command and other soldiers. His BDE commander is having a briefing where we learn more about what?s going on. Soldiers talk suit up moving into positions. We move to them deploying.

Act 2: The Battle of Yonkers. Full on detailed massive Battle of Yonkers from the point of view of Waini?s platoon as well as higher ups watching it unfold. This?. would?. Be?.Awesome! Think Battle:LA meets 28 Weeks Later meets Living Dead.

Act 2B: The retreat after the battle goes to hell. We learn about China nuking itself second hand and how the world is going to hell. We follow the mass retreat to the west. [If we want to make this movie epic we have Todd's chopper crash and have him do a shorter version of the pilot's story [end it with a so and so years later] and show Todd getting ready for the Battle of Hope. Or if time is an issue have Todd narrate the retreat and the events leading up to the Battle of Hope].

Act 3: The Battle of Hope! What more needs to be said about that?
Ok, battle ends and we go to Todd narrating the start of the Road to New York while we watch scenes of lines of soldiers stabbing zombies in the head as they march into the woods. Todd tells us ?this is when the tide turned, this is when we took it back. Thing would never be the same, but yaddah yaddah??.

end credits.

Also, no fast zombies. By this I mean no zombies that are FASTER, STRONGER, and more Agile than humans already are. The zombies arent magic and should not all turn into Spiderman. They dont need to be shambling, but just not more than they would be if alive (a fat old man who becomes a zombie should not suddenly run faster than Usain Bolt on meth and jump over cars).

Badda Bong, Badda BOOM! There is your world War Z movie
 

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80sboy said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
Hell - at least try doing a remake of The Omega Man with Charlton Heston where the horde of monsters are just bat-shit crazy occultist in dark robes raving like lunatics...now that would be awesome!
They did, it was 'I am Legend'. Omega Man was a remake of 'The Last Man on Earth' with Vincent Price, then they decided to ignore the other two and got Will Smith to try his hand as Robert Neville...

So Hollywood stole the book and then Remade their film twice more for more money.
 

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FFHAuthor said:
80sboy said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
Hell - at least try doing a remake of The Omega Man with Charlton Heston where the horde of monsters are just bat-shit crazy occultist in dark robes raving like lunatics...now that would be awesome!
They did, it was 'I am Legend'. Omega Man was a remake of 'The Last Man on Earth' with Vincent Price, then they decided to ignore the other two and got Will Smith to try his hand as Robert Neville...

So Hollywood stole the book and then Remade their film twice more for more money.
Yeah I know. And they turned the horde into zombie-like animals, just goes to show how stubbornly unoriginal they can be, even when something original is placed at their finger tips. They could have at least gone with a horde of vampires like the one in the book, and today, vampires are still in - okay, not real vampires! People now think they're suppose to sparkle...or something...ugh!

Truth is, they make these choices not because they're ignorant about it, they just think the audience is.

And I don't know, maybe they're right.

:/
 

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I saw it a week ago. I mostly enjoyed it. By itself, it's a rather decent film. Kind of mired by the lack of violence (That moment when Pitt gets his crowbar stuck in the head of that one zombie...it took me a few seconds to realise what had actually happened), and none of the characters are truly interesting. And the movie spent too much time at the W.H.O. facility at the end. But it was still good.

But the entire time I kept thinking how this would have been much better as a miniseries on HBO, or Showtime.