Worse off as a species?

[Skeleon]

Im not saying this isnt brutal but if we want a great human culture brutality is key if you cant survive you dont deserve to live..

The question is "what makes a culture great"?
I don't think this is it.

 

[Oldmanwillow]

You know what this sounds alot like Natzism. Hmm very similar. Or it can be just me (which i know its not)

Lets go kill the weak and make sure the genes dont get passed down because they are inferior (Jews).

im just saying this sounds alot like he wants an aryan race.

First off i said being equal or not equal was totally dependant on the person actions throughout there life time. I specifically said NOT RACE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT! if you can call me anything its a intellectual elitist.

 

[Agayek]

Oh, natural selection, I'm so sorry they killed you.

QFT.

We've stopped evolving, not because we've reached our pinnacle, but because we are repeatedly diluting the gene pool without correcting it.

You know what the real kick in the nuts is?
Warning labels.
"WARNING: Coffee may be hot!" You'd better fucking hope so.
"WARNING: Sleeping pills may cause drowsiness!" OH SHIT NO
THAT IS HORRIBLE
OH GOD WHY

Wait that is why I am taking them.

I've seen some better ones:

"WARNING: This sled may move fast on snow"
"Do not use if you cannot see clearly to read the information in the information booklet."
"Do not use in shower." - hair dryer
"This product not intended for use as a dental drill." - handheld drill
"Shin pads cannot protect any part of the body they do not cover."

 

[Internet Kraken]

You know what this sounds alot like Natzism. Hmm very similar. Or it can be just me (which i know its not)

Lets go kill the weak and make sure the genes dont get passed down because they are inferior (Jews).

im just saying this sounds alot like he wants an aryan race.

killing off the weaker people is wrong letting them die isnt (ok not so much) what I think he is saying is the best way to improve humanity is to allow the idiots to die off let them fall into to poverty just fall away from the public eye, like what the spartans did if the child is weak deformed well it gets drowned it sucks but there civilization was fairly pure

Im not saying this isnt brutal but if we want a great human culture brutality is key if you cant survive you dont deserve to live..

Genetic variation is the key to a successful species. What may be genetically superior now could be horribly flawed in the future and die off.

We can't just kill the people that we think are genetically unfit. A situation could occur in which they become genetically superior.

 

[Neonbob]

I've seen some better ones:

"WARNING: This sled may move fast on snow"
"Do not use if you cannot see clearly to read the information in the information booklet."
"Do not use in shower." - hair dryer
"This product not intended for use as a dental drill." - handheld drill
"Shin pads cannot protect any part of the body they do not cover."

Those are so stupid I physically cannot stop my hands from clenching around the imaginary throat of whoever created them.

I want them to die.
Almost as much as I want whoever made them necessary to die.

I think the people who made them necessary already died...and then the warnings were posted...

 

[ygetoff]

Humanity is just another form of animal, to classify it as anything else is pure foolishness. Is humanity worse as a species because we don't let survival of the fittest take place?

Absolutely.

Competition to survive is what drives any species to improve itself. (through breeding or intentional action) A species survival depends on its ability to improve itself over time.

First off what makes us a superior to the rest of the animal kingdom is not emotions or feeling because its obvious by studying nature that other animals are more than capable of experiencing them. What makes us superior is the fact that we can overcome or natural instincts with reason and logic. That is the only thing that makes us better than the rest of the animal kingdom. That being said let me get to my major point.

In our society we like to delude ourselves into thinking that all people are equal. Are they really just because they happen to be of the same species they are equal? That is simply not true, its not race or anything like that that make us unequal. Its actions, the actions that one make throughout there life is what judges how good/bad a person is. A good person is not equal to a bad one. (unless you want to make a argument that Hitler was equal to Gandhi).

Since our world is based off of competition there will always be winners and losers. This is a fact of life and nothing anyone can do or say will change that. Are winners and losers equal? NO THEY ARE NOT. The Person who won was either naturally better smarter stronger or worked harder its one or the other. Since he/she won he is not equal to the loser. In the natural world The losers usually don't get to breed so their genes are removed from the pool and the species improves by it.

We are all unequal and what determines how good/bad or useful/unuseful we are is our actions we take throughout our lives and how well we compete in those said actions.

We are moving away form that aspect of human activeity because for some reason we think its below us. Why??. Instead off tell our children about how equal we all should be why cant we tell that we are all unequal but how good/bad you are is totally up too you. What we should be doing is allowing everyone to have the chance to compete equally. Instead of having one style public school we should have many. What one you can go to is up to how well the child does in previous schools. It would allow the top students to have more direct competition with each other so they can become stronger/ better people. Competition is what brings out the best qualities in people nothing else.

By your logic, shouldn't every country in the world go to war with one another until everyone is dead?
Also, your thing about logic and reason setting us apart from animals isn't quite true. When was the last time you saw someone act completely logically? Scientific studies show that people act, then create a rationalization afterwards.

Also, by your logic, Hitler is roughly equal to Gandhi. Hitler was winning until the Allies ganged up on him (it's completely accurate, just simplified).

 

[ygetoff]

Just because perfection is impossible does that truly mean that its not something worth trying to accomplish?

Would you say that a bum has equal value to a medical researcher. The bum just lives off the expense of others while the medical researcher live to improve the lives of others.

So what happens when some young journalist writes an article about that bum, tells his story, and creates a self-help movement that ends up turning thousands of depressed people back into productive members of society?

There isn't some mythical equation that someone plugged the numbers into and decided that every life was equal. It's never been about that. It's about being CREATED equal. It's all about potential.

Forget judging people to find out if there lives have meant anything to this point. Do you want to try to judge what someone is worth the second they are born? You can't do it, at least not in countries where people have the chance to better their situations, regardless of what they start with.

Edit: Also, what happens when that medical researcher turns out to be the next Dr. Mengele? Potential swings both ways.

This is a BIG BIG if. the constant will remain that the Medical researcher will creat something that could be useful to society. Even if you disagreed with what the medical researcher is working on he is still trying to create something which is far more than what could be said about the bum.

His point is that everyone has the potential to contribute to society.

 

[TheyMadeMeDoIt]

A) What makes you so sure that the bum isn't equal to the medical researcher? What if the medical researcher is researching biological weapons? Then the bum seems better?

B) The bum, and this is your example, is almost certainly out of the gene pool anyway. This may be a gross generalization and downright offensive to the bum community, but how many of them are breeding? Honestly, how many little baby bums do you see?

C) Who is qualified to determine the value of a person? You? A Doctor? A World Leader? You can look at certain actions of people, and judge them fair or foul. Everyone is allowed to judge, but everyone's opinion is different, so who's right?

And thank you for for being so ignorant, I had to register to flame you. Kudos, sir.

 

[Oldmanwillow]

You know what this sounds alot like Natzism. Hmm very similar. Or it can be just me (which i know its not)

Lets go kill the weak and make sure the genes dont get passed down because they are inferior (Jews).

im just saying this sounds alot like he wants an aryan race.

killing off the weaker people is wrong letting them die isnt (ok not so much) what I think he is saying is the best way to improve humanity is to allow the idiots to die off let them fall into to poverty just fall away from the public eye, like what the spartans did if the child is weak deformed well it gets drowned it sucks but there civilization was fairly pure

Im not saying this isnt brutal but if we want a great human culture brutality is key if you cant survive you dont deserve to live..

Genetic variation is the key to a successful species. What may be genetically superior now could be horribly flawed in the future and die off.

We can't just kill the people that we think are genetically unfit. A situation could occur in which they become genetically superior.

Tell me when is the gene or mindset that competition is bad thing. will ever be good for society? Or we is pure stupidity good for a society? Again i have to say iam not saying round them up and kill them i advocate for us to leave them to there own devises.

We should still allow the option for there children (of the people that couldn't compete) to go to school and compete for a education that will allow them to become successful. Japan had this idea right for a long time and look at them they are the technology center of the world. I know in my computer science classes i cannot keep up with the Japanese student because he's been competing his whole life. If the west wants the ability to compete we have to change our mindset.

 

[Blurbl]

Im not saying this isnt brutal but if we want a great human culture brutality is key if you cant survive you dont deserve to live..

The only thing that seperates us from animals, is not our campassion for those less fortunate, but that we can provide for them.

If you are willing to let those less worthy die off when you have to means to help them, in the name of culture, and petty advancement when we are well off, of all things, in my mind you are lower than an animal yourself.

If you look to let the idiots fall into poverty and die, or the physically challenged drowned, you deserve no better fate yourself.

 

[messy]

Someone thinks they are better than everyone else......

I've been hanging around with Max for too long. His narcissism has rubbed off on me.

I think you mean my egomania.

That too. But my other quirks are completely unrelated.

You know what this sounds alot like Natzism. Hmm very similar. Or it can be just me (which i know its not)

Lets go kill the weak and make sure the genes dont get passed down because they are inferior (Jews).

im just saying this sounds alot like he wants an aryan race.

No...I don't want a bunch of blonde-haired, blue-eyed people running the planet...I just want to get rid of the morons. As previously stated.
It has nothing to do with genetics...just mental acuity and the like. I might consider some kind of tolerance for stupid acts, depending on just how stupid it was.

Now we'd probably agree on what makes someone a moron but there difference between killing someone of a certain intelligence and a certain race. Also what makes someone stupid at the moment is purely subjective you'd have to make it objective some such as an IQ test (which i floored because you dont need a high IQ to be a great painter etc.) So you'd really have no way of killing someone, also you talk about natural selection killing stupid people will not remove it from the gene pool when alot of your intelligence is based on your environment (well thats what i believe anyway and it has some evidence to back it up).

EDIT; spelling

 

[Internet Kraken]

You know what this sounds alot like Natzism. Hmm very similar. Or it can be just me (which i know its not)

Lets go kill the weak and make sure the genes dont get passed down because they are inferior (Jews).

im just saying this sounds alot like he wants an aryan race.

killing off the weaker people is wrong letting them die isnt (ok not so much) what I think he is saying is the best way to improve humanity is to allow the idiots to die off let them fall into to poverty just fall away from the public eye, like what the spartans did if the child is weak deformed well it gets drowned it sucks but there civilization was fairly pure

Im not saying this isnt brutal but if we want a great human culture brutality is key if you cant survive you dont deserve to live..

Genetic variation is the key to a successful species. What may be genetically superior now could be horribly flawed in the future and die off.

We can't just kill the people that we think are genetically unfit. A situation could occur in which they become genetically superior.

Tell me when is the gene or mindset that competition is bad thing, will ever be good for society. Or we is pure stupidity good for a society. Again i have to say iam not saying round them up and kill them i avoicate for us to leave them to there own devises.

We should still allow the option for there children to go to school and compete for a education that will allow them to become successful. Japan had this idea right for a long time and look at them they are the technology center of the world. I know in my computer science classes i cannot keep up with the Japanese student because he's been competing his whole life. If the west wants the ability to compete we have to change our mindset.

You're going to have to retype that because it's hard to understand what you just said. However, it sounds like you missed the point completley.

Also Japan is not the technology center of the world. Most of the time Japan takes technology that was developed in other countries and improves it.

 

[Oldmanwillow]

You know what this sounds alot like Natzism. Hmm very similar. Or it can be just me (which i know its not)

Lets go kill the weak and make sure the genes dont get passed down because they are inferior (Jews).

im just saying this sounds alot like he wants an aryan race.

killing off the weaker people is wrong letting them die isnt (ok not so much) what I think he is saying is the best way to improve humanity is to allow the idiots to die off let them fall into to poverty just fall away from the public eye, like what the spartans did if the child is weak deformed well it gets drowned it sucks but there civilization was fairly pure

Im not saying this isnt brutal but if we want a great human culture brutality is key if you cant survive you dont deserve to live..

Very well said. If even you disagree with it its my point exactly.

 

[Escapefromwhatever]

You do realize that this kind of logic is partially what led Europe to think it was alright to beat the shit out of Africa's population and infrastructure, right? Yes, most of it was racism, but another part of it was Europe thinking that because it had superior technology that it was entitled to abuse any society that had not "progressed" as much as it had. This type of thought is called "Social Darwinism," and it has not done humanity much good at all- do you know how much better off the world would be if Africa hadn't been devastated by other continents? I'll give you a minor example: there probably wouldn't be any Somalian pirates.
Humanity is a teamwork based species, and while competition is one of the most important necessities of life, we shouldn't be seeing each other as adversaries.

 

[Neonbob]

I think the people who made them necessary already died...and then the warnings were posted...

I want them to die again.

I know, buddy. I know. How about I lend you my reanimation ray? Will that make it better? We can go find their graves with some shotguns and other weapons later.

Now we'd probably agree on what makes someone a moron but there difference between killing someone of a certain intelligence and a certain race. Also what makes someone stupid at the moment is purely subjective you'd have to make it objective some such as an IQ test (which i floored because you dont need a high IQ to be a great painter etc.) So you'd really have no way of killing someone, also you talk about natural selection killing stupid people will not remove it from the gene pool when alot of your intelligence is based on your environment (well thats what i believe anyway and it has some evidence to back it up).

EDIT; spelling

I'd base my slections off of common sense, actually. And, as I noted, it would depend on the degree of stupidity displayed by the individual.

 

[caz105]

Humanity is just another form of animal, to classify it as anything else is pure foolishness. Is humanity worse as a species because we don't let survival of the fittest take place?

Absolutely.

Competition to survive is what drives any species to improve itself. (through breeding or intentional action) A species survival depends on its ability to improve itself over time.

First off what makes us a superior to the rest of the animal kingdom is not emotions or feeling because its obvious by studying nature that other animals are more than capable of experiencing them. What makes us superior is the fact that we can overcome or natural instincts with reason and logic. That is the only thing that makes us better than the rest of the animal kingdom. That being said let me get to my major point.

In our society we like to delude ourselves into thinking that all people are equal. Are they really just because they happen to be of the same species they are equal? That is simply not true, its not race or anything like that that make us unequal. Its actions, the actions that one make throughout there life is what judges how good/bad a person is. A good person is not equal to a bad one. (unless you want to make a argument that Hitler was equal to Gandhi).

Since our world is based off of competition there will always be winners and losers. This is a fact of life and nothing anyone can do or say will change that. Are winners and losers equal? NO THEY ARE NOT. The Person who won was either naturally better smarter stronger or worked harder its one or the other. Since he/she won he is not equal to the loser. In the natural world The losers usually don't get to breed so their genes are removed from the pool and the species improves by it.

We are all unequal and what determines how good/bad or useful/unuseful we are is our actions we take throughout our lives and how well we compete in those said actions.

We are moving away form that aspect of human activeity because for some reason we think its below us. Why??. Instead off tell our children about how equal we all should be why cant we tell that we are all unequal but how good/bad you are is totally up too you. What we should be doing is allowing everyone to have the chance to compete equally. Instead of having one style public school we should have many. What one you can go to is up to how well the child does in previous schools. It would allow the top students to have more direct competition with each other so they can become stronger/ better people. Competition is what brings out the best qualities in people nothing else.

Are You saying communism doesn't work!!???
No-one told me and my commune.

 

[Oldmanwillow]

Im not saying this isnt brutal but if we want a great human culture brutality is key if you cant survive you dont deserve to live..

The only thing that seperates us from animals, is not our campassion for those less fortunate, but that we can provide for them.

If you are willing to let those less worthy die off when you have to means to help them, in the name of culture, and petty advancement when we are well off, of all things, in my mind you are lower than an animal yourself.

If you look to let the idiots fall into poverty and die, or the physically challenged drowned, you deserve no better fate yourself.

As i said in my first argument that the only thing that makes us superior over the rest of the animal kingdom isn't any sort of emotion but the ability we have for reason. Other animals can feel similar emotions but they cant duplicate our abilities to suppress are instincts with reason.

If you truly feel that if i let idiots fall into poverty iam lower than an animal.
Then I am lower than an animal.