Would Anyone Like To Explain What The Fuck This Is?!

[Bvenged]

Yep, makes me wonder how people can question why I'm an atheist. "Because religion is borderline brainwashing & the worshipping of something that isn't even good. It seeps like the plague into every part of you life trying to change you for the worst, it hinders humanities advancement by preventing us from finding answers to the most fundamental of things and puts labels on things that don't need labelling." is my reply.

I celebrate Christmas for the good feeling and joy of giving and receiving, family time, friend time and the atmosphere; I can only give it to religion that it exists but I do not celebrate it in one bit for religion and if anyone should wish me a happy jesus-birthday I tell them I don't care and wish them the best of days today for them and the people they care about; not a false leader 2000 years ago. Halloween annoys me personally but this jesus-ween is every little bit worst.

 

[zwoodco10]

This "Jesus Ween," bullshit though it may be, is in no way infringing upon ANY of your rights, and ESPECIALLY not your right to practice religion as you choose.

Oh, but it does. Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion. If those fundamentalists start going door to door trying to hand out bibles and convert people, they are trying to force their religion onto others, violating the freedom of religion of those others.

Because you know, it's not even legal to protect yourself and your family from religious extremists. Basically they get a green light to do anything to anyone if freedom of religion is determined to only apply to Christians and be nearly unlimited, like you just did with or without intending it as such.

That logic makes no sense. Having someone attempt to share their religion with you in no way infringes upon any of your rights. If that were the case, then televangelist and the door-to-door Jehovah's Witnesses would all be put in jail.

The basic premise of Freedom of/from Religion is that our government will never declare a mandatory National Religion, nor will it hinder/aid any particular religion. That is it. Nowhere in the First Amendment does it state that sharing a religion is considered a violation of that right. In fact, here is the entirety of the First Amendment.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Where do you see that sharing a religion is violating this Amendment?

 

[ANImaniac89]

I'm a Christian and even I find this stupid.
Halloween is one of my favorite times out the year, they play awesome movie on TV around this time of year, I get to eat a shit load of candy whats not to love.

I haven't trick or treated in well over five years but I still love the holiday. Now I just rent a bunch of horror films and games and have a epic marathon around Halloween.

But I do understand this (kind of) I remember going to church parties for Halloween but at least we wore costumes and they gave out candy.

 

[Petter Johan]

Surely, somebody needs to interween!

 

[Sangreal Gothcraft]

I'm wiccan, honestly none of this stuff offends me... As long as it don't hurt none, i say let them call it jesus holidayween Tween whatever, Does not bother me, well except the bloody Munskins that come knocking on my door to Candy..., though i do admit i find it fun to scare them and not give them candy, but that is me being sadistic..

 

[Brian Hendershot]

A.) They have been doing this for years.
B.) It's not really a big movement.
C.) You are a pagan in a primarily judeo-christian country. Just get over it.
D.)This is in no way shape or form violating your rights. They are practicing their religion and you are practicing yours.

 

[EZmacilx]

Gotta love middle class white kids with their not real problems

 

[Something Amyss]

A.) They have been doing this for years.

Another thing that amazed me, since I've seen this poked fun of in prior years, but every time it's a shock to people. Guess that's a testament to how poorly it's caught on. XD

 

[McNinja]

..."Jesus-Ween?"

Not every holiday has to involve Jesus, you know!

GET JESUS OR CHRISTMAS WILL BLOW UP.

I don't know why but I found that entertaining. But you are right. Halloween is one of those holidays that Christianity was never really a part of. But hey, I seriously doubt anyone near any of the posters in this thread will even see one of these guys.

In which case you don't know what you're talking about. Really, what this is is pretty much like someone coming in and calling President's Day their religious holiday and complaining when someone wants to celebrate it differently.

Those guys from the article are still a bunch of sick fundamentalists who can't even let other people have one single day though. That's reason enough to try and do something about it.

I don't really like Fundamentalists, or extremists, of any religion, although I have yet to see a Hindu extremist. I don't think they know exactly what they're preaching, and they generally opt for the "all-out" approach when attempting to convert people, which then proceeds to backfire. You can't just talk at people about Jesus, it's a huge turnoff for a plethora of reasons.

This "Jesus Ween," bullshit though it may be, is in no way infringing upon ANY of your rights, and ESPECIALLY not your right to practice religion as you choose.

Oh, but it does. Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion. If those fundamentalists start going door to door trying to hand out bibles and convert people, they are trying to force their religion onto others, violating the freedom of religion of those others.

Because you know, it's not even legal to protect yourself and your family from religious extremists. Basically they get a green light to do anything to anyone if freedom of religion is determined to only apply to Christians and be nearly unlimited, like you just did with or without intending it as such.

Except they can refuse. If the Fundamentalist busts through the door and yell "IMMA TELL YOU 'BOUT JESUS" that's a violation of rights. But something that you can easily refuse? Not even close. They knock on your door, you open the door, you see they have a bible, you close the door. Freedom of Religion doesn't mean that if someone starts talking to you about their religion, you have to listen, it means YOU have the choice to refuse or accept what YOU want to. In this case refusing to listen to these fundamentalists is not hard, nor is it a bad idea.

 

[Brian Hendershot]

..."Jesus-Ween?"

Not every holiday has to involve Jesus, you know!

GET JESUS OR CHRISTMAS WILL BLOW UP.

I don't know why but I found that entertaining. But you are right. Halloween is one of those holidays that Christianity was never really a part of. But hey, I seriously doubt anyone near any of the posters in this thread will even see one of these guys.

In which case you don't know what you're talking about. Really, what this is is pretty much like someone coming in and calling President's Day their religious holiday and complaining when someone wants to celebrate it differently.

Those guys from the article are still a bunch of sick fundamentalists who can't even let other people have one single day though. That's reason enough to try and do something about it.

I don't really like Fundamentalists, or extremists, of any religion, although I have yet to see a Hindu extremist. I don't think they know exactly what they're preaching, and they generally opt for the "all-out" approach when attempting to convert people, which then proceeds to backfire. You can't just talk at people about Jesus, it's a huge turnoff for a plethora of reasons.

This "Jesus Ween," bullshit though it may be, is in no way infringing upon ANY of your rights, and ESPECIALLY not your right to practice religion as you choose.

Oh, but it does. Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion. If those fundamentalists start going door to door trying to hand out bibles and convert people, they are trying to force their religion onto others, violating the freedom of religion of those others.

Because you know, it's not even legal to protect yourself and your family from religious extremists. Basically they get a green light to do anything to anyone if freedom of religion is determined to only apply to Christians and be nearly unlimited, like you just did with or without intending it as such.

Except they can refuse. If the Fundamentalist busts through the door and yell "IMMA TELL YOU 'BOUT JESUS" that's a violation of rights. But something that you can easily refuse? Not even close. They knock on your door, you open the door, you see they have a bible, you close the door. Freedom of Religion doesn't mean that if someone starts talking to you about their religion, you have to listen, it means YOU have the choice to refuse or accept what YOU want to. In this case refusing to listen to these fundamentalists is not hard, nor is it a bad idea.

Check out Sri Lanka. They have Hindu AND Buddhist extremist fighting against each other. Also, I'm pretty sure that any Hindus near Pakistan tend to be extremist as well.

Also why do so many people keep assuming that people practicing a different religion is a violation of THEIR freedom of speech. That's...just...dumb...

 

[lion el jhonson]

Okay first of all:
Pagans still exist?(not trying to be offensive just thought paganism was a dead religion)
also you contradicted yourself in the same sentence you say that these people violate the Freedom of Religion act by trying to change something about your holiday. Why does this piss you off? they are just trying to make it more acceptable to their religion. and I do believe that is freedom of religion. so just ignore them, quite complaining and get shitface drunk.ok?

 

[CorvusFerreum]

That's kinda.... weird. And uneccessary, if they are protestantic christians, since 10/31 is the german holyday, celebrating the reformation. They could have just adapted this, if they really really had to celebrate something on 31/10.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/10/jesus-ween-christian-halloween_n_1003395.html?1318270211

I am a Pagan. And I for one find this to be bullshit.

Halloween is a sacred holiday. Pagan New Year, my friends. And this bullshit is what makes me hate America.

Let me tell you, I'm done defending the intelligence of this country if no one can follow our own Freedom of Religion bit. Fucking hell, I can't even think straight right now in regards to this. Someone, please post a better rant. I don't even have words. There ARE no words....

I can see where you are comming from. I might not go as far as calling myself pagan (I just can't be anything alse then atheist), but I tend to orient a lot of my personel morality on germanic paganism (helloween is more a celtic thing) and hate it too when elements of that are abused into some bullshit like that. But seriously, let them do what they want. As long THEY don't complain when you celebrate new year that day. Or midwinter, while they want to do their ripoff-thing around the same time

Also:
Jesus-Ween *immature snicker*

 

[antidonkey]

Ugh....I just threw up a little. Unless that bible is gummied it has no business being handed out on halloween. Why must the fundies try to suck the fun out of everything?

 

[Wingmna]

It's funny because 31 October is already a date in the Christian calender. Reformation day... Why not celebrate the disconnection from the Catholic Church which includes justification for the Renaissance, progression and freedom of all intellectual fields (including *gasp* Science).

But nope, humans would rather just completely forget how the world got to where it is and/or create a silly Jesus-ween.

 

[xvbones]

I'm assuming the OP follows some kind of Celtic nature worship form of Paganism considering the focus on Samuin/Samhain/Halloween, but with modern American Neopaganism and Wicca and worship of "The Goddess" (Whoever *she* may be) one can never be certain.

No pedantry taken. The appropriate assumption is that the OP 'worships' an ill-informed and under-researched mishmosh of ideas taken from the sillier parts of the internet or the least reputable parts of the 'Spirituality' section of their local bookshop.

There's no other real explanation for the declaration "I am a pagan" mixed with the comments "Halloween is sacred" and "It is the Pagan New Year."

What I mean to say is that there's no real pedantry in pointing out that the OP has no idea what s/he is talking about and has in fact made up a religion for the purpose of Looking Different.

Children do this often. They generally outgrow it before it gets too embarrassing, but 'pedantry' like actually taking them to task to explain their beliefs beyond the nebulous concept of 'THE GODDESS' is quite an effective 'hurry-up-and-grow-up-kk.'