Would Benedict Cumberbatch be a good cast for the Joker?
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The actor playing Tyrion Lannister [Peter Dinklage] is an American from New Jersey doing a British Accent.Ezekiel said:
Personally its more obvious hearing an American doing a British Accent than a British Person doing an American Accent.Ezekiel said:
I mean Tim Roth from Reservoir Dogs pulled it off imo:
Cumberbatch? Nah. I could see him as the Riddler, maybe even Two-Face or Clayface, but not the Joker. I like Cumberbatch well enough as an actor, but I feel that if he was to do the Joker it would have to be a rehash of Ledger's Joker, and I see that as fairly played out by the end of the Dark Knight.
This thread got interesting! A lot of people have different ideas of how the Joker should look.
If I'd been involved in the DCEU, I would've told them to avoid the Joker entirely for that exact reason. It's very hard to know if your Joker is going to hit everyone's buttons before the fact. It's a gamble. Ledger paid off; Leto didn't, in my opinion.
Interesting thought: the first thing that popped into my head when you said Jim Carrey is that he's too old. Willem Dafoe has the same problem. They've both got ten or twenty years on Ben Affleck.
But I just thought - the DCEU Batman is a veteran already, with twenty years of crime fighting and silver hair at his temples. It would make sense for his Joker to be just as old and battered. And it would give their relationship the impression of a decades-old rivalry, like the two of them have been waging this long war and it's worn both of them out, but neither one is willing to give it up.
If I'd been involved in the DCEU, I would've told them to avoid the Joker entirely for that exact reason. It's very hard to know if your Joker is going to hit everyone's buttons before the fact. It's a gamble. Ledger paid off; Leto didn't, in my opinion.
Oh wow, that's actually a really good one. Pity he's already been cast as Vulko for Aquaman.Sonmi said:
He's already been the Riddler, though. I think he could definitely do it, but I'd just be mentally comparing him to a role he played twenty years ago.Samtemdo8 said:
Interesting thought: the first thing that popped into my head when you said Jim Carrey is that he's too old. Willem Dafoe has the same problem. They've both got ten or twenty years on Ben Affleck.
But I just thought - the DCEU Batman is a veteran already, with twenty years of crime fighting and silver hair at his temples. It would make sense for his Joker to be just as old and battered. And it would give their relationship the impression of a decades-old rivalry, like the two of them have been waging this long war and it's worn both of them out, but neither one is willing to give it up.
I can't see Cumberbatch as the Joker, he just doesn't give off the right vibe for someone like the Joker. While I've only seen him in Into Darkness and trailers for Doctor Strange Cumberbatch comes off as very cool, calm (mostly), methodical and fairly restrained. Those do not sound like the correct words to use when describing the Joker.
I can, however, see Cumberbatch as successfully portraying either Mr. Freeze or the Riddler. He might even be able to play Deadshot, if Will Smith did not already have that role.
Gustaf Skarsg?rd, from History Channel's Vikings (images of him as the Viking Floki in spoiler tags)
is someone that I can see as playing (a possibly older) Joker.
I can, however, see Cumberbatch as successfully portraying either Mr. Freeze or the Riddler. He might even be able to play Deadshot, if Will Smith did not already have that role.
Gustaf Skarsg?rd, from History Channel's Vikings (images of him as the Viking Floki in spoiler tags)
I'll give you two more: Sherlock Holmes, Smaug (and for bonus points, here's the motion capture).twistedmic said:
Agreed, he's too, well, British. He's good at playing a intelligent, restrained, coldly calculating sociopath. That can be creepy in its own right, but it's decidely not the Joker.Sonmi said:
That's good tho.
Shit, that's also really good.sanquin said:If we're pitching idea's why not Nicolas Cage? He's got the 'crazy' part down at least!
I can get behind this. Leto's Joker didn't really strike me as someone who is THE nemesis to Batman. More a crazy, ultraviolent gang leader than the archenemy who can drive Bats right to the edge in a way no other villain can. Maybe it's the seeming age disparity between them combined with Leto Joker's gangsta pimp style. Maybe it's because we haven't seen enough interaction between them yet to make a judgment. Maybe it's just the lingering phantom of Ledger, who IMO did a much better job at embodying that aspect of Joker, despite their in-movie rivalry not being old at all.bastardofmelbourne said:
Here's a left of field suggestion but could he perhaps play Vandal Savage? Him and Ra's Al-Ghul are the two who pop into my head when I see Cumberpatch.
This would indeed be pretty fun to see. You could play up the same almost homoerotic love relationship the Joker and Batman are frequently portrayed as having like an old married couple. I'm picturing a wrinkled and worn out Joker, addicted to pain killers from all of the beatings he's gotten throughout the years coming back in a Death of the Family style final attempt to bring Batman down with him.bastardofmelbourne said:
That being said, what I really want to see at the end of the day is the (in my opinion) perfect mix of theatricality and evil Mark Hamil's Joker had. That version of the Joker plus Batman from Morrison's RIP days or from Hush would be my ideal movie. I want to see the Joker cracking jokes, setting up gift wrapped bombs, and filling the screen with the black humor he's famous for and Batman actually jumping from rooftops and acting like the acrobat he should be.
There have been a few good ideas in this thread. Defoe would crush the role and I don't Cumberbatch would be as bad as some people in this thread think. Based on looks alone I don't think you can exclude Hiddleston from the running
I dunno. I'm hesitant to make any sort of call like that these days- I mean, I had doubts about Heath Ledger, and he nailed it.
While I do enjoy me some Cumberbatch, I think he has a far too subdued personality in his roles to play the Joker.
I'd like to see Daniel Day-Lewis take the role simply because he's one of the greatest actors ever and I know he can play villains very well. I'd say he could do it as a more crazy version of his Bill the Butcher performance, but to be honest, he's a good enough actor that he could probably reinvent the role to be something entirely new and that new version would be heralded as the best one ever.
I'd like to see Daniel Day-Lewis take the role simply because he's one of the greatest actors ever and I know he can play villains very well. I'd say he could do it as a more crazy version of his Bill the Butcher performance, but to be honest, he's a good enough actor that he could probably reinvent the role to be something entirely new and that new version would be heralded as the best one ever.
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Unfortunately, Jim Carrey already delivered a stellar, stellar performance as DC villain:Samtemdo8 said:Like Jim Carrey
Except a lot of people basically say he wasn't actually playing the Riddler, but was basically the Joker in a Riddler outfit. In reference to how he behaved. I do think he'd be pretty good at it, as I think he can do menacing and funny pretty well. And there isn't anything connecting that era of DC movies to the current ones, so it's not like they have a canon to stick to.MrCalavera said:
Though personally I'm tired of Carey, and would like to see someone else play Riddler. Carey's been typecast enough already as the "insane comedy guy". Though personally, I'd rather not see the Joker again. He's become so blown up in the fanboy circles that nobody is ever good enough for the role to the entire community. But then I have a low tolerance for the DC-verse in general, and their revolving door of villains that seem to treat prison/confinement as a day-spa visit.
