would you ever become vegan?

[Asuka Soryu]

No, not a chance, unless it gives my telekenetic powers.

 

[Hairetos]

Sorry but going Vegan is actually pretty bad for you, the health benefits (if there are any) are probebly offset by the fact that we kind of need protiens and fats to survive, or at least stay healthy, I'm not gonna tell a vegan to "eat a fucking burger" but if your diet requires you at any point to take supplements or count out the protien level in the nuts you just ate, something is not right there.

Not a vegan, but just wanna clear something up. Unless you're a bodybuilder, soy has PLENTY of protein to subsist on.

 

[BringBackBuck]

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Good post that. Just a couple of things:
You absolutely have a right to eat whatever (non-human, non-endangered species) you want for whatever reason you want. I respect that. Eating less meat is certainly good for you and I have lost some weight and feel much better having done it myself. In this day and age you have the option of eating no meat all and (despite what some ill-informed escapists think) that is also a perfectly healthy and reasonable diet option.

I also kind of understand not eating eggs and milk because you don't like the condition these animals are kept in. In my country a consumer move away from battery farmed hens has prompted positive changes and resulted in lots of free range eggs being made available. So why not eat these eggs? these hens live a happy healthy chicken life (probably much better than they would in the wild).

Here is the bit where vegans completely lose me, and why many people consider vegans to by hypocrites: By-products from dead animals. The animal was killed for food already, these leftover bits (skin, fat etc) are either thrown away or used for something productive. If you hold the bizarre position that you refuse to support this secondary market for animal products in any way then logic holds that you be consistent in that position: No leather shoes. No cosmetics. Don't use pretty much any medicine ever. Don't live in a house, drive in a car, or use a computer (see my previous post - rendered animal fat is routinely used for lubrication in modern steel mills). Doing some of these things but not others is irrational.

 

[Cowabungaa]

Hahahahaha no. Not in a million bloody years. Look at this body, does it look like a cow's body? Does it look like it's made to suggest 100% planet material? No, no it isn't. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a massive rare steak to finish.

Also, pure veganism is pretty much impossible. You'd be surprised what kind of products contain something that in one shape or form came from an animal. Even the food colouring on M&M's did. And it goes way beyond food too.

I never got the reasoning either. Animals use each other to survive and thrive, all animals do, we're no exception.

 

[BringBackBuck]

Meat is delicious. Meat is tasty. Meat makes my world go round.

I will NEVER go vegan. if a Doctor told me I'd die if I ate one more strip of bacon, I'd go to the grave with grease on my chin and a smile on my face.

Agree wholeheartedly. If it came down to it I would slaughter the animals my self with my bare hands to eat meat.

Simple as dicktits.

Wait. What?

Simple as dicktits.

 

[olicon]

Here is the bit where vegans completely lose me, and why many people consider vegans to by hypocrites: By-products from dead animals. The animal was killed for food already, these leftover bits (skin, fat etc) are either thrown away or used for something productive. If you hold the bizarre position that you refuse to support this secondary market for animal products in any way then logic holds that you be consistent in that position: No leather shoes. No cosmetics. Don't use pretty much any medicine ever. Don't live in a house, drive in a car, or use a computer (see my previous post - rendered animal fat is routinely used for lubrication in modern steel mills). Doing some of these things but not others is irrational.

Living with a vegan who actually abides by that rule is a real pain though. My ex was a vegan of that level. I remembered her freaking out really badly once because her housemate scooped up tacos filling with her spoon. She threw it out afterward.

I don't eat meat myself, but for a different reason. I consider it environmental--producing meat is just really resource intensive. I'm not picky enough to only eat at places that offer vegetarian options, but when given a choice, I stay away from meat.
I think the vegetarian life style is perfectly fine. But I could never go as far as being a vegan. Moral ground just don't appeal to me.

 

[moretimethansense]

Sorry but going Vegan is actually pretty bad for you, the health benefits (if there are any) are probebly offset by the fact that we kind of need protiens and fats to survive, or at least stay healthy, I'm not gonna tell a vegan to "eat a fucking burger" but if your diet requires you at any point to take supplements or count out the protien level in the nuts you just ate, something is not right there.

Uhm, that's a load of crap. Soy protein is complete, so you can live on that. Plus beans, grains, nuts, etc contain all the nutrients you need. A vegan diet can be perfectly healthy, but requires bit of planning.

To get soy protein you have to extract it though don't you?
Not really something you'd find in a natural diet, and as I said without that planning you'd be pretty much fucked, at any rate if you wajt to do it then fine, I'm not gonna stop you, but it still isn't a natural diet by any means.

Load of crap part 2:
Soy are a type of beans, ergo each bean contains all necessary amino acids. You could eat them raw (if you have a grudge against your teeth), and still get all of those goody-goody nutrients. It is 100% natural, although speaking as a chemist I find the assertion that something is "unnatural" rather hilarious. No extractions are necessary, although if you do first grind them up, add water, mush it up, and then magnesium chloride or calcium sulfate, you get tofu. Hmm, tofu... Anyway, I guess that's the extraction you were referring to.

Basicly yeah, though I may not have made myself clear, I never meant to say that something being unnatural (By which I mean not found in this state in nature) was bad, simply that it wasn't natural, bread is not technicly natural, unless I've been lied to and they in fact sprout from bushes, it's just that many (though by no means all) vegans claim that a vegan diet is somehow more natural and healthy than a standard meat eating diet, which is a ridiculess assertation, particularly since if not for various modern conviniences a vegan diet would likely rtesult in sever health problems if not death.

A vegan diet is as natural as any other. Or do you know of any other animals who rely on heat to render meat safe to eat? Stating that one's diet is "more natural" than another is retarded...
It's a funny point, as raising animals is more costly than farming vegetables. Given the growth of the human population, meat might be getting so expensive that the only feasible option would be to maintain a vegetarian/vegan diet. Even with all of our modern technology, we simply cannot solve the problem of getting cows (or other animals) to grow muscles while consuming nothing but waste products...

Our diet requres mechanical interferance to work, that's pretty fucking unnatural if you ask me, but in short you could maintain a meat eating diet if humans had never developed civilisation, you simply couldn't maintain a vegan diet in nature, unless of course you lived in exactly the right part of the world that you could get protien rich plants year round by simply forraging.

And for the love of god!
Would you stop acting as though I was insulting veganism, I simplyy said in a naturat enviroment a vegan diet would. not. work.

As for needing to cook meat, that's generations of civilaisation for you, we used to be able to eat raw meat without the inevitable food poisoning.

That's just it, your point is stupid! I could always gather fruits/nuts/veggies etc, and it would be a 100% natural diet by any standards. Yes, I could even forgo technology, anything, even a bloody stick. I would still be getting enough nutrients to survive.
How would you repeat that for an omnivore diet? Strangle your prey of choice with your bare hands? Try to milk cows? Gather eggs from nesting birds (which would be fertilized, yummy)? Sorry, but humans would be completely incapable of surviving on your hypothetical "natural" diet.

Also, cooking food destroys parasites, not just bacteria. It's a hell of a lot easier to develop immunity against a bacterium than it is against something like this lovely fella: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taenia_saginata
Trust me, there has never been a time in the history of this planet where one species could consume anything without the risk of foodborne disease. Immunity against all possible threats simply doesn't exist.

Alright then, go out in to the wild and live on nothing but naturaly grown plants, depending on where you live I highly doubt you'd survive a year, and yes, If I really needed meat I would in fact strangle something to death, though hitting it with a rock would be easier.

I never said there was a point in history that meat was completly safe, that would have been stupid, but there was a point where humanity ate raw meat and didn't instantly sucumb to a massive bout of stomach cramp and death, we as a species lost much of our hardiness over time.

And eating fertilized eggs wont hurt you, it might be a bit off putting but it's still a perfectly acceptable meal, the same goes for a number of insects.

 

[Cowabungaa]

That's just it, your point is stupid! I could always gather fruits/nuts/veggies etc, and it would be a 100% natural diet by any standards. Yes, I could even forgo technology, anything, even a bloody stick. I would still be getting enough nutrients to survive.

No you couldn't. A lot of the plants veggies eat to get their neccesary nutrients don't exist in nature, don't live everywhere or aren't there in a large enough quantity and timeframe. Oh sure you'd get your calories, but you'd be lacking certain minerals and vitamins.

Fact is, when living in nature, you're going to need some animal protein and you're going to need some technology. It's a simple fact of life, it's how humans have evolved.

 

[Jonluw]

No, I would never. Vegan diets are bullshit, unless one has medical reasons for following them. We are not constructed to survive on such a diet, and one may easily become malnourished if one tries.

Edit: And the "ethical" reasons for following said diet are also bullshit.

Edit: To clarify: I don't mind much vegetarian diets, but when it gets to the point that you can't drink coffee because a mule might have carried that coffee down a mountain at some point, it gets silly.

 

[Jonluw]

I never got the reasoning either. Animals use each other to survive and thrive, all animals do, we're no exception.

That's the funny part about vegans. They say we are equal to animals, so we can't eat them. However, by refusing to eat meat, they are implying that they are above other animals. Bullshit.

Listen: Our bodies are designed to eat meat. Deal with it. If you have reasons like the eco-friendly one, or the chickens-are-tortured one, I can understand that; but if you think there's something inherently bad about eating meat, I'm going to laugh at you.

 

[Artina89]

I believe in a reasonably balanced diet. If I want to be healthy, I just eat vegetables and chicken and fish, and instead of going for chips or candy as an in between meal snack I will drink juice or water, or go and get some fruit. I honestly don't see whats so bad about a diet like that, if you are a vegan, thats fine, but don't look down on me for my food choices (I am not saying all vegans do this, but the ones I know do).

 

[zen5887]

Ohh man.. there are some clowns in this thread.

While I wouldn't be vegan, I am happy to eat vegan food. I'm not that big on steak or bacon or honey or even milk (almond milk is just as good). The only thing I would miss would be chicken.

Instead of being vegan or vegetarian I would rather just clean up my current eating habits. Less shit meat.

Also - There is a lot of hate/anger towards vegans, which is pretty horrible...

 

[freakydan]

You could show me undeniable proof that meat products will knock ten years off my life, and I'll still defend my pork products to the end of my unnaturally short life.

Please note, I have nothing against vegans. You eat what you want to eat, just please extend me the same courtesy.

 

[RevRaptor]

At Beliyal, long rant is long.

Dude calm down. Perhaps you missed the bit where I said I value all life the same. I seen plants and animals the same. Also I studied microbiology so I know the difference between animals and plants and its not that big a difference. Look I don't condone animal cruelty but saying proper farming is wrong and we should only hunt is just plain retarded.

You can't compare my stance on plants to killing microbes. plants can feel the world around them and react to it. a lot of microbiologists believe the only reason plant's are not walking around like us is because of their ridged cell walls. They are complex life forms with proven behavioural patters. Saying eating plants is ok but animals is wrong just because they are different from animals and thus us, is what I find hypocritical.

 

[Scarim Coral]

Nope sorry but I like my meat. I got nothing against those who are vegan but those who try to force me into becoming a vegan will get my wrath.

 

[TipsyPeaches]

to all the numpties insisting you need animal proteins to survive: a friend of mine can't process animal protein, so is vegan, and is now 22 years old and perfectly healthy.

OT: I don't think i could do it personally, mainly because I love me my sushi far too much. It's a nice idea though; if it's good for you, and you can afford/plan it properly, then by all means go for it.

As long as you don't end up like my friend who only went vegetarian because coupled with her alleged feminism it makes her God or something. Fucking moron. That's a stupid reason to follow any kind of diet.

 

[GBlair88]

Only if by some strange occurance all the cows, chickens, pigs and fish died out or disappeared.

 

[Boris Goodenough]

Only if it would mean my survivel.