Would you like the next Elder Scrolls game to focus on Elsewyr or Black Marsh?

[AidoZonkey]

Very few of the other races live these areas of Tamriel and Elder Scrolls Lore shows that these land are incredibly hard to concur so a story of the lands being invaded would difficult to tackle at best.

I know it was said Black Marsh is uninhabitable to everyone but Argonians, but I don't get that from Elsewyr.

From what I understand, everyone but Khajiit avoid the place because their economy and views on everything is so different that nobody else really wants to go there.
On the wiki it is stated that Khajiit don't have any sort of currency. In fact it is looked down on to give money. You get materials based on your services to others. A barter system so to speak.
So any rich bureaucrat will find that their load of cash means fuck all to them because that's not how it works.
Ownership also works differently there too.
Seeing as how the Thalmor have no problem heavily inhabiting the place should be an indication it's habitable to many races of the Elder Scrolls series.

Elsewyr is in a different situation to Black Marsh, however it does have it's similarities. Its inhabitable to the other races because of the economy. Like you said 'nobody else really wants to go there', so only a major event/ calamity would force the other races to come to this area of Tamriel, and although, the Thalmor have settled in Elsewyr, for the majoraty of races the cultural difference between their home lands and Elsewyr would be just too different, especially the human races such as Nord and Redguard, who famously dont get on with a lot of the other races.
Basically, Black Marsh's environment is too hostile, Elsewyr culture and people are too different

 

[SajuukKhar]

and although, the Thalmor have settled in Elsewyr,

Actually, not even The Thalmor are really in Elsewyr. Since the Khajiit willingly joined the AD after the Ad claimed to get the moons back, they have no need for Justicar-like agents to make sure their laws are enforced. the Khajiit simply choose to follow them.

 

[Starblazer117]

I'd like to see the the Aldmeri Dominion provinces covered( probably very impractical) but if that is not attainable then Elsweyr.

 

[Broderick]

I would like to see something focus on the dwarves. Like the whole game be underground, with the occasional random places elevators out all over the TES continent. A game that lets you see the fate of the dwarves and wtf were they fighting that made them want to build machines of war.

or Black Marsh

I hate to burst your bubble, but that was already pretty much answered back in Morrowind. Here is a link, give it a read. http://www.imperial-library.info/content/final-report-trebonius. Basically, they unmade themselves in order to become the "bronze skin" of a giant golem that contained, or was to contain the soul of a god. They wanted to transend the mortal plane because they felt the gods were not above them. The golem however did not activate when they "transcended". This is basically the closest we have to a definite answer.

As for on topic, I would love to see blackmarsh or Valenwood. Elsewyr would be nice to see too.

 

[Dosvidonya]

I want Akavir...

 

[SajuukKhar]

I want Akavir...

You most likely wont see Akavir for the same reason you wont see the Aldmeris, Atmora, Cathnoquey, Esroniet, Pyandonea, Roscrea, Thras, Yneslea, or Yokuda. Because it simply isn't important.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mysterious_Akavir
"All Men and Mer know Tamriel is the nexus of creation, where the Last War will happen, where the Gods unmade Lorkhan and left their Adamantine Tower of secrets. Who knows what the Akaviri think of Tamriel, but ask yourself: why have they tried to invade it three times or more?"

All places outside Tamriel are unimportant, and the natives of those lands seek to invade Tamriel because they know Tamriel is the only place that matters.

 

[Dragonbums]

Very few of the other races live these areas of Tamriel and Elder Scrolls Lore shows that these land are incredibly hard to concur so a story of the lands being invaded would difficult to tackle at best.

I know it was said Black Marsh is uninhabitable to everyone but Argonians, but I don't get that from Elsewyr.

From what I understand, everyone but Khajiit avoid the place because their economy and views on everything is so different that nobody else really wants to go there.
On the wiki it is stated that Khajiit don't have any sort of currency. In fact it is looked down on to give money. You get materials based on your services to others. A barter system so to speak.
So any rich bureaucrat will find that their load of cash means fuck all to them because that's not how it works.
Ownership also works differently there too.
Seeing as how the Thalmor have no problem heavily inhabiting the place should be an indication it's habitable to many races of the Elder Scrolls series.

Elsewyr is in a different situation to Black Marsh, however it does have it's similarities. Its inhabitable to the other races because of the economy. Like you said 'nobody else really wants to go there', so only a major event/ calamity would force the other races to come to this area of Tamriel, and although, the Thalmor have settled in Elsewyr, for the majoraty of races the cultural difference between their home lands and Elsewyr would be just too different, especially the human races such as Nord and Redguard, who famously dont get on with a lot of the other races.
Basically, Black Marsh's environment is too hostile, Elsewyr culture and people are too different

True.
I guess for me, Elder Scrolls can't really just skip over the whole Khajiit/Thalmor thing.
I mean the chains of events that happened there is really suspicious.
Moons don't just "disappear" for two years then come back. (By the elves no less.)

 

[Dragonbums]

and although, the Thalmor have settled in Elsewyr,

Actually, not even The Thalmor are really in Elsewyr. Since the Khajiit willingly joined the AD after the Ad claimed to get the moons back, they have no need for Justicar-like agents to make sure their laws are enforced. the Khajiit simply choose to follow them.

Which is one reason why I personally would like to see Elsewyr.

Moons don't just disappear and come back.
We all know how very integral those moons are to the Khajiit.
I have a feeling the elves played a great hand in "bringing back" their moons so they have their utmost loyalty.

 

[AidoZonkey]

I guess for me, Elder Scrolls can't really just skip over the whole Khajiit/Thalmor thing.
I mean the chains of events that happened there is really suspicious.
Moons don't just "disappear" for two years then come back. (By the elves no less.)

That might be a way of working the two areas together. The Dummer have fought with the Argonians and the Argonians crippled them, but not before the armies of Black Marsh were destroyed. The Thalmor have always looked for weaknesses in the other races and maybe this could be it, some sort of plot to unite the Argonians and the Khajiit in a battle against the Empire, Skyrim and the rest of Tamriel as revenge for the rebellion in Skyrim against them and the Empire.

Man I love discussing Lore. Such fun

 

[SajuukKhar]

Which is one reason why I personally would like to see Elsewyr.

Moons don't just disappear and come back.
We all know how very integral those moons are to the Khajiit.
I have a feeling the elves played a great hand in "bringing back" their moons so they have their utmost loyalty.

According to Michael Kirkbride
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/forum-archives-michael-kirkbride
"What appears to be an Altmeri commentary on Talos:
To kill Man is to reach Heaven, from where we came before the Doom Drum's iniquity. When we accomplish this, we can escape the mockery and long shame of the Material Prison.

To achieve this goal, we must:
1) Erase the Upstart Talos from the mythic. His presence fortifies the Wheel of the Convention, and binds our souls to this plane.
2) Remove Man not just from the world, but from the Pattern of Possibility, so that the very idea of them can be forgotten and thereby never again repeated.
3) With Talos and the Sons of Talos removed, the Dragon will become ours to unbind. The world of mortals will be over. The Dragon will uncoil his hold on the stagnancy of linear time and move as Free Serpent again, moving through the Aether without measure or burden, spilling time along the innumerable roads we once travelled. And with that we will regain the mantle of the imperishable spirit."
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"Another Altmeri in-character snippet:
Or the number could be more Lorkhanic nonsense; that is, convenient for Man.
The Ysmir line is dead and so is His stranglehold on the mythic.
A single Wheel? More like a Telescope that stretches all the way back to the Eye of the Anui-El, with Padomaics innumerable along its infinite walls.
We're coming for you in every one of your quarters, Sons of Talos. None shall survive."
.
"What were the Void Nights? (03/02/12)
Eugenics experiment. With a side dish of "don't [censored] with us.""
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So yes, it's highly probable The Thalmor had something to do with the removal the moons, Lorkhan's corpse, from the sky. They, most likely, did it in some botched attempt to murder mankind. Winning the Khajiiit over was likely just a useful side-effect.

 

[xshadowscreamx]

Elsewyr because I like that name. Sounds elvish..... And cats, cats everywhere.

 

[TWEWYFan]

I'd probably have to cast my vote for Black Marsh mainly because I like the Argonians just a little bit more than the Khajiits. Either could be a really good choice though.

 

[Dragonbums]

I guess for me, Elder Scrolls can't really just skip over the whole Khajiit/Thalmor thing.
I mean the chains of events that happened there is really suspicious.
Moons don't just "disappear" for two years then come back. (By the elves no less.)

That might be a way of working the two areas together. The Dummer have fought with the Argonians and the Argonians crippled them, but not before the armies of Black Marsh were destroyed. The Thalmor have always looked for weaknesses in the other races and maybe this could be it, some sort of plot to unite the Argonians and the Khajiit in a battle against the Empire, Skyrim and the rest of Tamriel as revenge for the rebellion in Skyrim against them and the Empire.

Man I love discussing Lore. Such fun

Indeed. And since TESO is going to utilize ALL regions of Tamriel they could use the landscapes in that for their next game to make the load easier.

 

[Dragonbums]

Which is one reason why I personally would like to see Elsewyr.

Moons don't just disappear and come back.
We all know how very integral those moons are to the Khajiit.
I have a feeling the elves played a great hand in "bringing back" their moons so they have their utmost loyalty.

According to Michael Kirkbride
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/forum-archives-michael-kirkbride
"What appears to be an Altmeri commentary on Talos:
To kill Man is to reach Heaven, from where we came before the Doom Drum's iniquity. When we accomplish this, we can escape the mockery and long shame of the Material Prison.

To achieve this goal, we must:
1) Erase the Upstart Talos from the mythic. His presence fortifies the Wheel of the Convention, and binds our souls to this plane.
2) Remove Man not just from the world, but from the Pattern of Possibility, so that the very idea of them can be forgotten and thereby never again repeated.
3) With Talos and the Sons of Talos removed, the Dragon will become ours to unbind. The world of mortals will be over. The Dragon will uncoil his hold on the stagnancy of linear time and move as Free Serpent again, moving through the Aether without measure or burden, spilling time along the innumerable roads we once travelled. And with that we will regain the mantle of the imperishable spirit."
.
"Another Altmeri in-character snippet:
Or the number could be more Lorkhanic nonsense; that is, convenient for Man.
The Ysmir line is dead and so is His stranglehold on the mythic.
A single Wheel? More like a Telescope that stretches all the way back to the Eye of the Anui-El, with Padomaics innumerable along its infinite walls.
We're coming for you in every one of your quarters, Sons of Talos. None shall survive."
.
"What were the Void Nights? (03/02/12)
Eugenics experiment. With a side dish of "don't [censored] with us.""
.
So yes, it's highly probable The Thalmor had something to do with the removal the moons, Lorkhan's corpse, from the sky. They, most likely, did it in some botched attempt to murder mankind. Winning the Khajiiit over was likely just a useful side-effect.

If that is the case, then the Thalmor is a much serious threat than before.
Let's hope they keep that little bit of info to themselves. Nothing is more dangerous than very very angry cat people.

Of course I am fairly certain there are a decent amount of Khajitt that have caught on to atleast something with the Thalmor. If not for their plot, then perhaps their oppression.

 

[SajuukKhar]

If that is the case, then the Thalmor is a much serious threat than before.
Let's hope they keep that little bit of info to themselves. Nothing is more dangerous than very very angry cat people.

Of course I am fairly certain there are a decent amount of Khajitt that have caught on to atleast something with the Thalmor. If not for their plot, then perhaps their oppression.

Elven extremists are always a serious threat.
-The Ayleid mage-lords built White-Gold Tower, and the surrounding city, in mimicry of the shape of the mortal realm, Mundus, a wheel with 8 spokes surrounding it, with Nirn at its center, in order to pluck at, and control, its strings.
-The Dwemer Tonal Architects built the brass god Numidium in order to start a chain reaction of anti-creation, in order to unmake everything in the unvierse back to the way it was during the Dawn.
-The Falmer sought to eradicate the Nords to gain control of The Eye of Magnus, a powerful object which, according to Ancano, has the power to unmake the world.
-And now The Thalmor, and their Aldmeri Dominion, seek to continue to contiue the series of genocidal pursuits by Elves in their removal of Talos, who is Lorkhan reborn, from the mythic.
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And given the frequent purges the AD takes against the Bosmer, in order to get rid of dissenters, I wouldn't be surprised if many Khajiit dont belie The Thalmor.

The AD can't even get all Altmer to believe as they do, how cold they possibly get all of another race to do believe their warped views.

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

I'm personally hoping that in TES6 we might be able to cross the borders of territories for the first time since Daggerfall; and seem as in Skyrim the Thalmor were being set up as major villians in a big way, I'd say Elsewyr is more likely than Black Marsh (Also, isn't Black Marsh supposed to be mostly inhospitable to all other races than Argonians, according to the lore? That could prove a barrier to setting a game with species selection there) as Elsewyr is a partner of the Aldmeri Dominion now. I think however, if I'm right in thinking that the Thalmor will be the driving force of the main campaign in TES6, that Elsewyr will be lucky to get a shoe-in between Summerset Isle and Valenwood.

 

[Dragonbums]

The AD can't even get all Altmer to believe as they do, how cold they possibly get all of another race to do believe their warped views.

With what they are doing they don't NEED the Khajiit to believe their warped views. They just need them to work with them.
As long as all of this is kept tightly under wraps, the Khajiit will be all too grateful for the fact that the elves brought back one of the most integral part of their culture to dare show their "ungratefulness" and deny whatever the Thalmor wishes.
This has the potential for the next game to perhaps revolve around a mystery solving kind of deal. You run into a band of outcast Khajiits and it's up to you to validate their suspicions that the Thalmor was pulling the wool over their eyes the whole time to the bigger scheme of things.

 

[SajuukKhar]

With what they are doing they don't NEED the Khajiit to believe their warped views. They just need them to work with them.
As long as all of this is kept tightly under wraps, the Khajiit will be all too grateful for the fact that the elves brought back one of the most integral part of their culture to dare show their "ungratefulness" and deny whatever the Thalmor wishes.
This has the potential for the next game to perhaps revolve around a mystery solving kind of deal. You run into a band of outcast Khajiits and it's up to you to validate their suspicions that the Thalmor was pulling the wool over their eyes the whole time to the bigger scheme of things.

I doubt it would be possible to prove one way or another that the AD did anything with the moons. Its impossible to prove why they vanished in the first place, let alone how they really came back. It would be more likely to prove to everyone, in universe, how the Dwemer vanished.

 

[Oroboros]

I would like to revisit Morrowind, or vvardenfall specifically, but Bethesda nuked that setting completely for no reason between Oblivion and Skyrim. Neither Elsewyr or Black marsh particularly interest me. If I had to choose from somewhere to set the next game (from the available un-nuked continents) I would choose Akavir. We haven't ha a game set in it yet, and it would allow for the introduction of a whole slew of new playable species, which would shake things up a bit I think. Pyandonea could be another possibility that to my knowledge has never really been expanded on. I'd also like it if Bethesda came up with a less generic main bad guy than just 'dragons'. Sload would be an interesting foe I think, other potential enemies could be the Tsaesci or Ka Po' Tun or the Maormer. Just some thoguhts.

 

[SajuukKhar]

I would like to revisit Morrowind, or vvardenfall specifically, but Bethesda nuked that setting completely for no reason between Oblivion and Skyrim.

Actually, they nuked it for a VERY specific reason.

Back in Morrowind there was a book series called the 36 lessons of Vivec. In the second to last sermon, Vivec described how the virility of the Dunmer's belief in the Psijic Endeavor, the path of the prophet Veloth, the man who led the Chimer, would would become the Dunmer, from The Summerset Isles, to Morrowind, was dead.

Vivec also goes onto describe that he knows, and is going to let happen, a series of catastrophes in order to renew the Dunmer's faith in the Psijjic Endeavor, those calamities being the invasion of Dagon, the eruption of Red Mountain, and the Argonian invasion, and books added in Skyrim's Dragonborn DLC say that after all these events, the Dunmer's belief was renewed, just as Vivec foresaw.

Bethesda nuked Morrowind because they said they would in Morrowind itself, and the entire plot of Morrowind was about setting up the situation to happen in the first place, by taking away Vivec's god powers, thus causing the giant rock he purposefully left floating above Vivec City, knowing that one day it would fall, destroy the city, and cause Red Mountain to explode, to crash down, destroy the city, and causing Red Mountain to explode.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:36_Lessons_of_Vivec,_Sermon_35
"'The formulas of proper Velothi magic continue in ancient tradition, but that virility is dead, by which I mean at least replaced.

Later, and by that I mean much, much later, my reign will be seen as an act of the highest love, which is a return from the astral destiny and the marriages between. By that I mean the catastrophes, which will come from all five corners. Subsequent are the revisions, differentiated between hope and the distraught, situations that are only required by the periodic death of the immutable. Cosmic time is repeated: I wrote of this in an earlier life. An imitation of submersion is love's premonition, its folly into the underworld, by which I mean the day you will read about outside of yourself in an age of gold. For on that day, which is a shadow of the sacrificial concept, all history is obliged to see me for what you are: in love with evil. "