Would you support a cure for homosexuality and transexualism?

[Sectan]

Only if there was a cure for the straight. I'm sure there would be some people who would change their sexual orientation for a night or two just to go to bars and pick up pretty much anyone that caught their eye. Hell if that happened maybe straight and gay wouldn't really be things anymore.

 

[TehCookie]

I would support it for people over 18 getting it out of their free will, but I wouldn't support pregnant woman getting it. I'd see it as a bigger plus for trans people than gays since their struggle seems more of a problem. If they could change their gender to match their sex rather than the opposite would they prefer that solution? No hormones or worrying if they can pull off the look, or surgery and they'll still be able to have functional plumbing and feel comfortable in their body.

 

[Jenvas1306]

I find this disturbing that people want to "cure" homosexuality, you might as well try and cure me of my Aspergers, or someone for being a furry, or someone for being a creationist or a feminists or in the MRA or whatever.

aspergers is a great example.
if we had a cure for it im sure lots of people would want it, but after all it affects the brains function and the person who uses that brain. if you change that you change a person and that is like murdering the orginial and replacing it with an artificial homunculus.
homosexuality and gender dysphoria are both probably also unintended ways of brainfunction. so its compareable.

but in the end the parents should have the choice, like some parents dont choose abortion just cause their kid is gonna have downs syndrome. others do.

 

[GeneralFungi]

I may be a bit biased when it comes to the homosexuality cure part of this debate. I honestly don't think I'm in a position to tell transexuals what they should or shouldn't do, but I can at least speak from my own perspective as a homosexual. And of course, I do not represent all homosexuals and many have had different experiences from me.

The idea that my sexuality could be changed at birth is an eerie one. But it isn't just because of removing someone's identity. After all, I wouldn't know the difference if my sexuality was changed before birth. If I had gotten this treatment I would have been none the wiser.

But if I had ever found out later that the reason why I was heterosexual was because my parents decided that for me, I would be livid beyond comprehension.

If they made the choice to change me, that means that they were not satisfied with me. They didn't like a certain feature that I had so they opted to change it. My homosexuality isn't imperative to me but it does, in some small ways, make me the person I am. And without it I would be a different person. It would make me wonder if they didn't think I was good enough for them. Or that from the very outset, instead of simply pressuring me to be the exact person they want me to be, they'd simplify the process. It's probably the most elegant way of removing free will. Not only to you get to force them to be the way they want you to be, but you make them think that's what they want instead.

Could you imagine the identity crisis one would experience if they found out that their sexuality was changed before birth? When I was starting to come out as gay I was having trouble because I was always having concerns about what other people would think of me. Finding out I was gay but then 'fixed' would be even worse. I would feel like every romantic relationship I've had up to that point was a fabrication. I would feel like I was manufactured rather then born.

I understand that this is all hypothetical, but I cannot stress enough just how much I would be against something of this nature.

 

[Brian Tams]

I would support it for people over 18 getting it out of their free will, but I wouldn't support pregnant woman getting it.

Do you mind if I ask as to how you came to this opinion?

 

[Drake the Dragonheart]

They aren't diseases. Therefore you can't "cure" them. That's all I have have to say, and all I feel I need to say.

 

[Lorpo]

I would definitely support my government introducing a mandatory vaccine program for this if one was available. I find homosexualty and transexuality disgusting and would welcome a way to wipe it from the face of the earth.

Well, thank you for sharing your opinion Dr. Mangela. I wasn't aware "your" government existed solely for the purpose of removing anything from the world that offends you personally.

Please read the topic a bit, in the opening post the question was asked "Would you accept a law your government made so that every woman who became pregnant would need to get this vaccination?".
To answer YOUR question some other things I would like added to the list of things I would want removed are animal rights activists, homeless people and those who are jobless by choice.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

It would be good for transexuality as it would be allow trans people to feel sexually correct without invasive surgery.

I wouldn't be against the existence of a medical "cure" to homosexuality, but I don't think most gay people would opt for the medication. As homosexuality doesn't create an emotional sense of sexual incorrectness outside effects of related social stigma, and as social stigma against homosexuality is rapidly fading, even here in Texas, it would be mostly pointless.

 

[Lorpo]

Because NameIsRobertPaulson they have a different sexual orientation to mine. Its that simple and as good a reason as any. And I don't understand what you mean when you say 'and how it affects you in any way' Does finding homosexuals/transexuals repulsive affect me?
Well I spose I could answer with how does global warming currently affect you? It doesnt? Then why do anything about it.

 

[Mikeyfell]

Hey Escapist, what's going on in this thr-

Oh...

I think you all need bunny pictures

Spoiler: Oh you lucky bastards

Thank you very much.
I needed that.

 

[Senare]

These issues are symptomatic of something far worse: intolerance against non-threatening groups in human society. As such I would not support such a cure (meaning I would not divert resources for it) until we can safely say that humanity as a whole has moved past what I consider to be the real issue.

Bear in mind that such a procedure would still not necessarily stop homosexual sex (because you do not need to have homosexual attraction to have homosexual sex), nor might it necessarily stop things like transvestitism or other expressions of the opposite heteronormative gender's identity (if the world turns out to work like I suspect things work, i.e. that skirts are not somehow naturally associated to vaginas). And I think that people would still object about those things. And therefore the real issue would still be left unsolved.

The law of intrusive "correction" can be argued against even without going into the right for the existence of different identities. Shouldn't such matters ultimately be regarded as the parents' choice? Isn't that the common way to reason about it for all other similar procedures? So no.

 

[Trippy Turtle]

I wouldn't support your idea of it. There is nothing wrong being trans or homosexual but I would support a 'cure' for people over 18.
If they are over 18, and think they would be happier hetero or not transsexual then they can take it.

Just a side note. I do believe it is at least partially a conscious choice. Obviously you don't just say "I'm gay" and start liking guys, but if you fap to futanari every day then you will develop a thing for dicks. Believe me, I know.

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I agree that its not the parents choice, but at the same time it would save the child from having to go through the ridicule in the first place. I don't agree with the OP's example but I'm sure there are plenty of people who wish they were never gay, just because what others think or say to them.

A cure for homophobia would be better of course, but I doubt 'curing' people of their views would be seen as any better than trying to cure there sexuality.

 

[TehCookie]

I would support it for people over 18 getting it out of their free will, but I wouldn't support pregnant woman getting it.

Do you mind if I ask as to how you came to this opinion?

18 is the legal adult age where I live, and I think you should be an adult before you make a decision like that. I don't think others should have a say in someone's preferences.

 

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

I gotta say, the title of the this thread made it sound WAY more entertaining than it is.

Since I actually read your first post, I know you aren't trying to be mean and suggest they're diseases, but the title really makes it sound like that.

In terms of homosexuality, I would mostly be against it. Parents change enough about their kids already.

Transsexualism... I have mixed feelings about. Feelings I refuse to express here on the Escapist for fear of Tumblr SJW lynching.

On the general topic, I think messing with fetuses is generally a good thing for humanity. Aside from the whole "genetic discrimination" thing, Gattaca would be a fun world to live in.

 

[Quazimofo]

There's only one scenario I'd wholeheartedly get behind this cure and that's if it was a "vaccination" that could be taken past puberty by the homo/trans person in question. In this sense, it'd be possible for some people to deal with the societal pressures of not being Cis/straight by giving them a way out that isn't a hole in a noose. However, just like male circumcision in America, I don't feel it's right to change someone's life so drastically before they have a say in it.

That said, if it was being developed, I wouldn't be against the idea. If it wasn't mandatory, the kid need never know s/he could have been potentially gay/trans and parents could opt into it if they decided they wanted to (similar to adoption). I would be against it being made law.

Now I'm not a parent, nor even considering at the moment (17 is a bit young for such things, wouldn't you agree). As such, I would not actively oppose the option being given to prevent the "development" of trans-sexuality or homosexuality in the womb. However, I WOULD be against such things being anything more than an option to parents. Any sort of encouragement or making it mandatory I would actively oppose. I would also actively oppose it being an option post-birth, since to make it so would be to avoid the issue not through acceptance of moderately-different-and-in-no-way-harmful-to-any-parties lifestyle, but by elimination of the lifestyle and thus allowing bigotry to win out.

If it isn't abundantly clear, I hate bigotry. I have never seen anything approaching any sort of benefit to undue hatred of any group of people based purely off of things that are not their choice (ethnicity, sexuality etc.), in place of merit (e.g. personal experiences with individuals). Someone stab you, they earned your ire. Someone has a darker skin tone than you and bigger lips? WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK?!?! Some guy likes f******* guys? LET EM! It's okay when girls do it, why not men?!

Fucking bigotry. I've not lived it, though just by seeing the reactions of my father and paternal grandparents (the black side of my family, I can see the merit behind the tales of all of the shit they had to put up with for their ENTIRE LIVES just for having dark brown skin. You remember that scene from the star-trek re-boot where they congratulate spock on getting into the science academy "despite his disability", the disability being his human half? People ACTUALLY said things like that to my father upon his college enrollment.

Yeah that last paragraph was about ethnic bigotry rather than sexual bigotry, but it's effectively the same damn thing.

Sorry for the rant. Bigotry is just something about human culture I really wish would just die. Too much suffering for no purpose.

 

[GeneralFungi]

Well I spose I could answer with how does global warming currently affect you? It doesnt? Then why do anything about it.

Because there's reason to believe that the increasing of earth's temperature will have serious negative effects in the long run. If someone walked up to me with an accusing finger and asked "Why do you have any reason to oppose global warming?!" Then I could rationally explain to them the possibility of the ocean level rising, the possibility of the increase of disease, the dying out of animal species, etc.

Now if I pointed the accusing finger at you and asked why you stand against homosexuality and transexuality your answer is that, and I quote:

Because NameIsRobertPaulson they have a different sexual orientation to mine.

And of course.

I find homosexualty and transexuality disgusting

In fact global warming is already affecting us. A hundred years ago sun screen was not necessary to protect our skin. The solar radiation was at a low enough level that it didn't harm our skin at all. If you want your own example of global warming to stand you'll have to explain what horrible negative effects homosexuality has now and what effects it will have in the future.

 

[carnex]

If someone comes up with a way to permanently and without torturous methods change people's sexual orientation i say let him put it to the market. If someone wants to do it who am I to say NO? Even if the wants to make himself sexually atracted to Comodo dragons.

But only if person is in full mental capacity for reasoning and of legal age of full independance.

 

[Lorpo]

It was meant to be an example of just because something isn't affecting you then it doesn't mean you shouldn't have an opinion or not care. I admit I should have made myself clearer rather than setting myself up for that.