Wow, EA must really want to keep subs for SW:TOR...

[Tuesday Night Fever]

I don't know if this was an action born of generosity or desperation... I just know that it likely won't be enough for a lot of people.

1.2 was ridiculously underwhelming. The Legacy system turned out to be a joke, most classes/specs seem to have been heavily nerfed, and they didn't even implement all the features that they said were going to be in 1.2 - things that, notably, they said were going to be ready at launch.

I wanted to like ToR, I really did. But it just did not live up to expectations. I even gave it a few months to get itself on its feet, but it still fails to meet expectations.

I cancelled my subscription a few days after 1.2 went live. Most of my guild did the same. I don't see much of anything, even free handouts, changing my mind when the game itself is so horribly flawed with no realistic sign of progress at any point in the near future.

And no, I won't be playing GW2. So that has no bearing whatsoever on my disappointment with ToR.

 

[Radoh]

Yes, since so many businesses would love to give up their subscribing members.

Also, I'm glad we've got so many gaming analysts in this thread.
From way back I've heard the arguments of "It will never make the five hundred thousand subscriber mark"
So when it got several million it was all "It will never survive three months". Now they are doing something that is only beneficial to the players and it's all "They must be getting desperate".

 

[Karathos]

No business in this damn world does anything purely out of goodwill, ever. Anyone who thinks there's no ulterior motive to a move a company does must be high on something.

Very much enjoyed the new stuff in 1.2 - class balance in high end PvP got tweaked in the right direction, new PvP sets and even new PvE content arrived so there's new stuff to do on a top-level character. Legacy system brought some very cool new emotes and ship/character tweaks to give that little bit of extra flavour; especially to me as a roleplayer.

People bitching about the Legacy thing being underwhelming need to realise it's the FIRST tiny bit of Legacy stuff. If you watch more than two seconds of the actual Legacy system preview videos, they make it quite clear that it's getting started but is in no way over.

MMO's get updated constantly. Did WoW have Zul'Gurub on release? Did Alterac Valley and the Arathi Basin exist right on release? Did WoW revamp all the talent trees? I seem to recall they did. Did LotRO let you go into Mirkwood on release? Did Age of Conan have functional endgame on release? Granted AOC was overall pretty horrible on release, so that's a bad example but still hammers home the obvious - ONLINE GAMES TEND TO RECEIVE MORE THAN ONE UPDATE DURING THEIR LIFETIME. The list goes on. People who get one patch to their MMO and expect everything to be perfect need a reality check. WoW has been going strong for how many years now, and there's still no end of patches in sight.

Since this is a very multinational site, I can't speak for US numbers and such - but at least Trask Ulgo EU is still going strong with a good, big RP community on both factions.

 

[80Maxwell08]

Yes, since so many businesses would love to give up their subscribing members.

Also, I'm glad we've got so many gaming analysts in this thread.
From way back I've heard the arguments of "It will never make the five hundred thousand subscriber mark"
So when it got several million it was all "It will never survive three months". Now they are doing something that is only beneficial to the players and it's all "They must be getting desperate".

Except those reports are entirely conflicting. They said everything from 3 million to 375,000. Also 500k for how long? That's one thing they never said. Also giving out time is always a desperation move for MMOs and TOR has done it multiple times.

 

[vkola]

Also I suppose i'd just wait for Guild Wars 2 if I wanted an MMO... Doesn't it have a one time payment method to get the game from a shop and just y'know own the game rather than the standard monthly subscription fee?

I'm sure I remember something like that in a press release... It looks interesting regardless but no subs is always nice

ArenaNets philosophy is indeed Buy once and Play until they shut the servers down. Expansions will cost money though, and you can if you want to spend money that gives you Gems. A currency that you use in the Cash-shop for vanity items. You can also buy Gems ingame with ingame currency from other players.

Just an massive Win-Win-Win situation.

Cya in the Gw2 Beta tomorrow!

 

[Smooth Operator]

Well after that ME fiasco they need some good will so people won't leave, it is an act of marketing.

 

[getoffmycloud]

I find the thread title hilarious. Do you think they actually prefer people stopping their subscribtions?

Yeah its kind of state the obvious if I was running an MMO my primary aim would be to keep people subbed. I bet if this MMO wasnt published by EA this thread wouldn't even exist

Of course not. Hell blizzard is constantly throwing free months at people all the time and you never hear about that one. Stop paying for two weeks and they just throw free time at you. Hell I havnt played in over five years and I still get monthly spams from blizzard offering free game time.

So you just proved my point blizzard is always doing and there isn't a thread about it

 

[MrTub]

I do not understand why people seem to want SWTOR to go P2W. I freaking hate that system.

And I'm having a blast with Swtor and will gladly pay 10$ a month rather then a have a piece of shit F2P mmo.

 

[shintakie10]

Release a damned free trial and maybe I'll buy your game, I don't see how it could hurt them, and everyone I know hasn't bought it because they wouldn't be caught dead buying a product, then subscribing to a monthly fee for it before they even get a chance to try it

They've had at least four free weekends in the last month and a half. Not sure what you're talkin about there.

 

[Furioso]

Release a damned free trial and maybe I'll buy your game, I don't see how it could hurt them, and everyone I know hasn't bought it because they wouldn't be caught dead buying a product, then subscribing to a monthly fee for it before they even get a chance to try it

They've had at least four free weekends in the last month and a half. Not sure what you're talkin about there.

Oh, oops, every time I checked must have been on weekdays, thanks, kind of a dumb thing to do though, why would they limit it to select weekends

 

[MrTub]

Release a damned free trial and maybe I'll buy your game, I don't see how it could hurt them, and everyone I know hasn't bought it because they wouldn't be caught dead buying a product, then subscribing to a monthly fee for it before they even get a chance to try it

They've had at least four free weekends in the last month and a half. Not sure what you're talkin about there.

Oh, oops, every time I checked must have been on weekdays, thanks, kind of a dumb thing to do though, why would they limit it to select weekends

The whole last week was free to play if I do not recall wrong..

 

[Don Savik]

I do not understand why people seem to want SWTOR to go P2W. I freaking hate that system.

And I'm having a blast with Swtor and will gladly pay 10$ a month rather then a have a piece of shit F2P mmo.

They want it to go free to play so they can bash EA some more. Because that's the new internet fad. Because screw people that like the game, we are but cogs in the machine to their eyes.

 

[LetalisK]

Oh good, I'm glad the Anti-EA/Bioware zealotry is continuing its scorched earth campaign. We'd all be too bored if people weren't selectively reading way too far into things.

 

[Fr]anc[is]

I do not understand why people seem to want SWTOR to go P2W. I freaking hate that system.

And I'm having a blast with Swtor and will gladly pay 10$ a month rather then a have a piece of shit F2P mmo.

Personally, I refuse to play a game that gets more expensive over time. With a little patience and steam sales, I haven't paid more than $15 for a game in about a year. $60 entry plus $15 a month is jaw droppingly stupid to me. I'm itching to play this game, even in spite of EA, and I'm still not willing to invest that much cash.