wow hate

[Staskala]

Im a little confused with the level of vehemence some achieve when posting about their dislike of WoW. For the type of game it is wanting to be, its almost a perfect game, and i mean that as detached and objective as possible. I realize its not everyones cup of tea and thats cool, different strokes for different folks (my favorite ar hemorrhagic), but when people get so...upset it seems like they object to WoW by principle, the same sort of reaction when people debate about philosophy or religion. My question, why? I suppose post what you like or dont like about the game mechanics and story itself, but if you you HATE it, post why. I mean post why and how dislike for something turned into passionate hate.

A lot of people who "hate" WoW are actually former players themselves, who got bored or are dissatisfied by the direction WoW took with
BC/WotLk/Cacta.
As someone who started at launch I know quite a few people who stopped playing along the line,
I also know some people who still play yet wait for a better MMORPG (which will never come).
Incidentially they throw around the term "WoW killer" quite often.

Also, don't forget the Warcraft lore fans, WoW is notorious for shitting all over it, after all.

Then there's people who dislike MMORPGs in general or WoW in particular, either because of the "social effects" or because they never got into them/it.

So, there's plenty of genuine reasons to "hate" WoW; wheather they or the whole "hating popular things because they're popular" thing overweight, now that's hard to tell.

 

[Sir_Auron_the_Badass]

I actually don't hate WoW, that is I don't hate Azeroth, Outland Icecrown, and Cata. In fact as a result of playing the Warcraft series and getting a good number of the Loremaster achieves in WoW, I like to think I am pretty familiar with the Mythos, and that more than anything is what kept me playing. I actually read the quest text and I do everything I can for myself to make the experience immersible.
However that all dies for me when a person kills my harmless tauren as he picks fucking flowers, and then hugs my dead body while saying "L o L, T r y H a r d F a g g o t ."

So I don't hate Wow, just the people who play it.

Glad to see someone else who does this too instead of skipping through all the texts just to say, "I don't care what you're wanting me to do, just give me my loot now!" Loremaster (also the first time I've actually seen/heard that anyone else had it) was very much worth it; it actually gives you a sense of what's going on in all portions of the world and proves that you actually give shit about the back-story.

On a side note, I just don't understand the complaints that WoW ruined the lore that the Warcraft RTSs were building up; I've played them all, and everything that was mentioned in the previous games meshes really well with the current lore, and any completely new content for the MMO (like the Old Gods) still don't counteract the core story of the series.

Basically this. Given that it has roughly 12 million subscribers despite being almost 6-1/2 years old

I'm 22, thank you very much.

I understand a lot of people's hatreds of WoW, but THIS complaint is so misinformed and mis-aimed it's just silly.

Um, what? I was mentioning how old WoW is, what does your age have to do with that? Plus, what is misinforming, the number of subscriptions? If so, then how is it misinforming and how would you know?

 

[Razomka]

I can understand why people hate it. It is highly addictive. I use to play it and I still think it is really good, however I was talking to a friend who said that he lost one of the best mates to the game, He didn't play it and his mate just stop going out like they use to and now they rarely talk because his mate is always playing it. This would only really be the case with MMOs because they don't end. There is always something to do.

If his mate played Halo, he would of completed it and that would of been it. But never ending gameplay is dangerous is uncontrolled. I personally would play it for 17hours a day, giving that I had a free day, and luckily it was a good time in my life to play it but for other people without such an easy life, it can screw up a lot of things.

It is quite easy to see the damage it causes and I guess that is enough reason to hate it. I personally love it and always will.

 

[viranimus]

Khey

I dont think anyone else brought this up.

The single biggest problem with WoW is the constant theft and regurgitation of ideas. Nothing in the WoW story line is even close to original or even ashamed at ripping off other cultural references. The games system is a blatant rip off of what came before it.

However what generates the most vocal hate is the people. Using the prior example, its funny how WoW fans in the face of having WoW being called a complete ripoff of Everquest, AC or DAoC, Wow fans will say, yes WoW took all these ideas and REFINED them. No, its outright gratuitous theft. Hell WoWs UI is indistinguishable from EQ2. Which when people complain about WoW clones the single most common element being referred to as cloned is the UI that was stolen from EQ2.

The content is regurgitated, The technology is regurgitated, Hell, even the new expansions "hook" is a reused and regurgitated idea stolen from Ultima Online. Yet it makes me sick to hear people talk about "The only thing thats going to kill WoW is another Blizzard made MMO"

Or how "12 billion people cant be wrong" knowing full well that Blizzard fudges their population numbers to make themselves seem vastly larger than what they actually are. (and yes I am fully aware its supposedly 12 million, not billion)

People generate the hate. From the WoW fan who wont shut up about wow, To the WoW fan who behaves like WoW in any way shape or form brought anything new to the MMO scene outside of having such obscenely low system spec requirements to allow for more access to more PCs. Or the WoW fan who behaves like WoW is this insanely fun exp and that in the presence of wow Nothing else exists.

Honestly, I really do not think this is an applicable case for "people hate because its popular" because WoW has generated this sort of hate long before they were ever popular, and honestly there are entirely too many legit reasons to dislike the game to blindly assume people are dismissing the game out of hand. I would say about 80% of the hate WoW generates is very much earned and deserved.

/get your quote buttons ready!!!

 

[Uncle_Brainhorn]

I hate MMOs not just WoW. If people want to waste their time doing the same thing over and over again... Thats their business. Now multi-player-shooters are fun because there actually is some gameplay (aka fun). I find MMOs really really boring. All it is is repetition. It reminds me of farmville, do this... Now do it again, 7 billion times (sorry, I know it hurts to hear a game being compared to that piece of shit by Zynga). Oh and they fucked the name of the RTS, which I really enjoy.

"Hey, wanna play Warcraft?"
"Sure. I got my character to level sixty yesterday."
... "NO NOT THAT ONE YOU DICKHEAD!"... "I'm gonna go kill myself now."

The repetition argument is actually pretty terrible, because nothing sounds fun when you boil it down to components.

MMOs? Boring. All you do is kill things and do fetch quests over and over.
Shooters? Boring. All you do is kill people on the same maps over and over.
Grand Theft Auto? Boring. All you do is shoot civilians steal cars over and over.
RTS games? Boring. All you do is mine resources and send your units to die over and over.
Minecraft? Boring. All you do is make a shelter and dig for ore over and over.
Platformers? Boring. All you do is jump around over and over.

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

I don't hate WOW. The only reason I haven't tried it myself is because I don't have time for that kind of....addiction....


Oh my god, this place is my WOW.

 

[masher]

I love Blizzard. I started with the RTS, though; I loved the lore. I don't play WoW anymore, but I still respect the hell out of it.

My favorite is when people say, "No one plays World of Warcraft," then I spout statistics and numbers at their face. Then they ignore them 'cause... well, I'm not too sure why...

 

[WitchD0ctor]

I hate MMOs not just WoW. If people want to waste their time doing the same thing over and over again... Thats their business. Now multi-player-shooters are fun because there actually is some gameplay (aka fun). I find MMOs really really boring. All it is is repetition. It reminds me of farmville, do this... Now do it again, 7 billion times (sorry, I know it hurts to hear a game being compared to that piece of shit by Zynga). Oh and they fucked the name of the RTS, which I really enjoy.

"Hey, wanna play Warcraft?"
"Sure. I got my character to level sixty yesterday."
... "NO NOT THAT ONE YOU DICKHEAD!"... "I'm gonna go kill myself now."

This,
my brother tried to get me to play it twice, both times i ended up hunting deer/boar for like, an hour, that was it for me. Went back to playing Counter-Strike and IMMEDIATELY started having fun, didn't have to wait for it or anything

 

[Katana314]

My question for WoW players amounts down to just this. IGNORING all the numbers you might increase over your playsession, and ignoring the potential of "getting to a part that will be really fun", such as being 10 levels higher or having the ultimate armor set, I want you to answer the question:

Is the activity you are performing RIGHT NOW engaging and entertaining? Is it fun? Are you playing it for the sake of "progress", or are you playing it because it's firing off the activity centers in your mind and the gameplay itself is addicting you?

Besides which, even when there's progress I tend to notice the game isn't immediately "fun" just because I obtained the level 20 mace I wanted.

 

[bushwhacker2k]

I've played WoW and I thought it was pretty good, I've never felt the all-encompassing awe that seems to bring on an addiction but I can see why people play...

but I still hate it. I hate it on principle, as the OP said.

I hate that as a massively-successful game it sets the standard and then a bunch of idiots think that the key to their success (or at least fat wads of cash) is making a clone with no thought or effort. I understand why they do it, but it's still wasting peoples' time and I want games to progress to greater heights, not move along at a snail's pace, pixel by pixel.

 

[Tyrak]

Aside with the whole "WoW is boring and based on little more than higher numbers" thing, and the fact that it is pure evil, both of which have surely been mentioned before...I actually don't hate WoW for itself. Sure, it's not for me, but for what it's trying to be, it does extremely well. And I'll admit it's moderately entertaining. (For about two days, here, but hey.)

What I dislike WoW for is what is created.

Look around you at pretty much eighty percent of MMORPG's out there. What do you see. Things that look like WoW? Probably so, unless you're looking at nothing but really good MMO's. The massive success of WoW has caused developers to create a legion of games very similar WoW, in order to capitalize on the success. (Honestly, it's rather pointless, because if someone's going to want to play a game like WoW, they'll play WoW, but anyway.)

Perhaps that's not what most people dislike it for, but that's why I do. It sort of sucked a lot of creativity out of the genre, since executive meddling tends to lead to all newcomers to the genre suddenly morphing into it.

 

[Hectix777]

Im a little confused with the level of vehemence some achieve when posting about their dislike of WoW. For the type of game it is wanting to be, its almost a perfect game, and i mean that as detached and objective as possible. I realize its not everyones cup of tea and thats cool, different strokes for different folks (my favorite ar hemorrhagic), but when people get so...upset it seems like they object to WoW by principle, the same sort of reaction when people debate about philosophy or religion. My question, why? I suppose post what you like or dont like about the game mechanics and story itself, but if you you HATE it, post why. I mean post why and how dislike for something turned into passionate hate.

You wanna know why EVERYONE hates WoW? Because of what it is, crack for gamers. In a tv show or movie the fat loser that's living win his mom is a byproduct of our stereotype thanks to WoW. It lures people in, but never let's them go. It is not only crack, but an addiction. You think this is bad? There's cases of actual addiction and withdrawal caused by the scifi counterpart of nearly the same name in S. Korea. If you buy the game new and spend $15 a month on it, it'll run you $214.99 in the first year. It's with that first payment that you take your first hit, once you make that first payment, your a slave that is Blizzard. WoW( I'm gonna capitalize this next bit so you get me good and clear) IS DESIGNED TO GET PEOPLE ADDICTED TO THE GAME SO PLAYERS WILL ALWAYS SPEND MONEY ON IT, IT DESIGNED TO GENERATE PROFIT NOT FUN! Other MMO studios are out there trying new and fresh things, but people are so addicted to WoW crack that they dare not try something else. I play Guild Wars, no sub fee so I play strictly for leisure not because I spent my money and I must make the most of it. Guild Wars runs on the one time payment for the game itself and than micro transactions for things like costumes, new campaign, or skills. No fee for playing, nothing is stopping me from deleting Guild Wars other than I like it. You wanna see what a REAL MMO looks like and deserves some freaking credit for doing something totally original and groundbreaking? I.e. A game that breaks away from the WoW formula of repeating the same task 10,000 times ten fold, dependence on healers, destruction of the labels of tank or nuked or dos and the rest, a game where damage is determined by your location and trajectory of the enemies attack rather than a roll of the dice, a game where a simple rock used for decorations out in the middle of the game world can be used as a lethal projectile, a game where each type of class can heal itself and there are no more set healer class, a game where even if you lose all your health you still have a chance to stall your enemy from delivering the final blow so your mate can revive you?

Look up Guild Wars 2, now that[i/] is an MMO! When studios think of which MMO as a muse to structure theirs around, they're gonna look at Guild Wars 2. Guild Wars 2 is what WoW could have become, but never did. While WoW sticks to the business model of offering itself to you to create an addiction that only Armageddon will cease, Guild Wars 2 will be free and the only thing that will keep you is it's originality, beauty, fresh take on the MMO genre, and how much it's not WoW.

 

[Peteron]

I don't hate the game, but it isn't worth playing at all. It is very simple and boring. The quests are repetitive, leveling up is repetitive and only gets more difficult. Leveling up isn't even rewarding, because you get is better equipment at your availability to level up again. The game-play experience is the same for both major factions, and really there is little to do in that game but whack stuff and level up. They should put more stuff to do, such as focusing on the other skills, including mining and fishing. These skills play a very minor role in game.

I don't really understand some of your critiques. Leveling becoming more difficult as the game progresses sounds like a good concept. If leveling became easier or remained at the same difficulty then why bother to include the mechanic if there is no sense of accomplishment for it. As for "there is little to do in that game but whack stuff and level up" what else do you want to be able to do in the game? I don't want to sound rude; I am curious what you think other actions should a player be able to do in a role playing game.

You last point kinda bugs me though.

The only thing this thing has going for it is that it is addictive.

Warcraft isn't a drug that creates a physical dependence so the addictive nature of the game must revolve around some aspect of it. If you mean the loot system, a skinner box system can't be the only thing, otherwise how do you explain the lack of success for other MMOs that use the same mechanic.

The game is repetative. And yes, in most cases it is good that the leveling system improves over time. However, when the leveling system is boring, repetative and all together unrewarding, you are working harder and harder for literally nothing. Its not a game that brings unique and creative elements to the table, its a useless repetative cycle. And when most people make it to the maximum level, they start the useless cycle over again. My point that bugged you was about adding more to the game, to get away from that repetative experience.

 

[mattttherman3]

I hate it because I played it and ended up hating it, I thought it was stupid. Besides, once you get through the story line, people decide to raid to get better armor to raid more. PVP I can understand but if your just doing "Raids" and "Heroics" I just don't understand why your wasting your time. It is exactly why I stopped playing Guild Wars, once I got through the campaigns, there was no longer any point in playing it.

 

[Mylinkay Asdara]

I played Final Fantasy XI, it was part of my contractual agreement to hate WoW players - well, that's untrue, I was required to think of them as simpletons who couldn't handle the social component of team based goals and consider them to be generally lazy e-peen strokers... the hate grew on its own from that.

 

[OctoH]

One of my best friends never finished high school because he got addicted when it first came out. Now, I recognize that was his decision and his own fault, but I still harbor resentment towards the game. That and I have no desire to pay a monthly fee for a game.

 

[OutforEC]

Barrens Chat. Nuff said.

 

[Sarah Frazier]

Barrens Chat. Nuff said.

In other words, the immature community?

 

[witness51]

It's probably becuase it's a stigma that gamers have to carry with them, regardless of whether they play it or not. I can't tell you how many times I've heard that anti-gaming arguement "Oh, and I bet you play World of Warcraft, too."