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rutger5000 said:
Figured as much. We simpely can't comprehend a particle moving faster then light. If it's possible, we won't be able to grasp it for a long time to come. On the other hand, there used to be a time in which we couldn't comprehend a particle with no mass. And look how far we've come since!
well we can't comprehend what complex time would mean, epecially since this would be required to even work out where the thing is or where it would be going. As I say though there are holes shall we say in relitivity, EPR paradoxes have been carried out experimentally and break the laws of relitivity and the predicted gravity waves of general relativity are proving elusive at best.
 

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I had to wipe away drewl for that one. The music and the pictures were so professionally combined.

Love that song, love that group.

Song reminded me of this song, by the same guy. Knowledgable but pretty disturbing.

 

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I'm going to make you guys hate me, by showing a video of a game that failed miserably at doing what is in the said video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8dvMDFOFnA
Yeah, but in this vid it was still awesome and epic and such, at least more so than now....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8dvMDFOFnA

They so need to upload this version with the source code; a competent group of community members would be able to turn that into a decent game in a month. Or a day. Something like that.

Seriously. Spore sucks because of missed potential. And a bunch of EA/Maxis employees dicking around all day screwing it up.
yes, yes, a thousand times YES. They had a great teaching tool, something that inspired me to write my own scifi. I was going to use it as a tool to write, yet also create. The game was a disappointment at the worst level. On the bright side, this is a great video to watch before stargazing, or writing. It leaves you with a wonder that everyone experiences at least once in their life, and this could have fed those answers that people wondered. I'm not much of a coder, but I would love to help make the game Spore wanted to be.
 

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cookyy2k said:
rutger5000 said:
Figured as much. We simpely can't comprehend a particle moving faster then light. If it's possible, we won't be able to grasp it for a long time to come. On the other hand, there used to be a time in which we couldn't comprehend a particle with no mass. And look how far we've come since!
well we can't comprehend what complex time would mean, epecially since this would be required to even work out where the thing is or where it would be going. As I say though there are holes shall we say in relitivity, EPR paradoxes have been carried out experimentally and break the laws of relitivity and the predicted gravity waves of general relativity are proving elusive at best.
I was going for Russells teapot approach. Brining in complex time and energy doesn't explain things we can't explain now. (As far as I know, I'm not that familiar with EPR Paradoxes (Einstein, Plank and someone?))And when a new theory doesn't explain more then the old one, but requires extra assumptions, then it ought to be rejected.
 

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rutger5000 said:
(As far as I know, I'm not that familiar with EPR Paradoxes (Einstein, Plank and someone?))And when a new theory doesn't explain more then the old one, but requires extra assumptions, then it ought to be rejected.
The EPR paradoxes are all quantum mechanical effects that break realativity by allowing signals to travel faster than light. The more famed example is quantum entanglement. If you remove 2 electrons from an atom in the same quantum state except for spin from an atom and sperate them as far apasrt as you want if you cause the spin of one to "flip" (turn it's spin from + to - or - to +) the other will instantaneously flip too so that they're always opporsite spin. This information is infinately fast as nomatter the distance it always takes no time for the other to react. This is why the idea of Quantum computing is so tantelising, you can have the signals in your computer being instantaneous.

We tend to keep hold of old theories even if they do prove to be wrong, since they're ringht in some situations and easier. I'm much rather be using Newton's laws to calculate orbit or motion than realitivity in situations where I can because it's a hell of a lot easier and faster.
 

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Question: Assuming you didn't burn up, what would happen if you stood on the sun? Would you sink, fall, stand?
 

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cookyy2k said:
rutger5000 said:
(As far as I know, I'm not that familiar with EPR Paradoxes (Einstein, Plank and someone?))And when a new theory doesn't explain more then the old one, but requires extra assumptions, then it ought to be rejected.
The EPR paradoxes are all quantum mechanical effects that break realativity by allowing signals to travel faster than light. The more famed example is quantum entanglement. If you remove 2 electrons from an atom in the same quantum state except for spin from an atom and sperate them as far apasrt as you want if you cause the spin of one to "flip" (turn it's spin from + to - or - to +) the other will instantaneously flip too so that they're always opporsite spin. This information is infinately fast as nomatter the distance it always takes no time for the other to react. This is why the idea of Quantum computing is so tantelising, you can have the signals in your computer being instantaneous.

We tend to keep hold of old theories even if they do prove to be wrong, since they're ringht in some situations and easier. I'm much rather be using Newton's laws to calculate orbit or motion than realitivity in situations where I can because it's a hell of a lot easier and faster.
Wait I'm getting confused here. I know what your talking about, and I've heard it before. But it was from my understanding that charges 'communicate' with each other by the use of photons (one charge 'knows' that another charge is there because of photons being ..... (can't finish that sentence)). And that it works similairly for masses and the Higgs Boson. But what particle is traveling at infinite speed to get the message across that one spin has been flipped? It couldn't be a photon, that would violate electrodynamics.
 

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rutger5000 said:
cookyy2k said:
rutger5000 said:
(As far as I know, I'm not that familiar with EPR Paradoxes (Einstein, Plank and someone?))And when a new theory doesn't explain more then the old one, but requires extra assumptions, then it ought to be rejected.
The EPR paradoxes are all quantum mechanical effects that break realativity by allowing signals to travel faster than light. The more famed example is quantum entanglement. If you remove 2 electrons from an atom in the same quantum state except for spin from an atom and sperate them as far apasrt as you want if you cause the spin of one to "flip" (turn it's spin from + to - or - to +) the other will instantaneously flip too so that they're always opporsite spin. This information is infinately fast as nomatter the distance it always takes no time for the other to react. This is why the idea of Quantum computing is so tantelising, you can have the signals in your computer being instantaneous.

We tend to keep hold of old theories even if they do prove to be wrong, since they're ringht in some situations and easier. I'm much rather be using Newton's laws to calculate orbit or motion than realitivity in situations where I can because it's a hell of a lot easier and faster.
Wait I'm getting confused here. I know what your talking about, and I've heard it before. But it was from my understanding that charges 'communicate' with each other by the use of photons (one charge 'knows' that another charge is there because of photons being ..... (can't finish that sentence)). And that it works similairly for masses and the Higgs Boson. But what particle is traveling at infinite speed to get the message across that one spin has been flipped? It couldn't be a photon, that would violate electrodynamics.
Quantum entanglement doesn't quite work like that. First of all, it's not like two random electrons taken from any atom will be entangled. Usually it's one particle with spin 0 that disintergrates into two spin 1/2 particles. These particles are entangled in a state that can not be defined as a tensor product of two different one-particle states (a*up+b*down)*(c*up+d*down), the simplest entangled state the singlet state (1/square root 2)*(up*down-down*up). If it could be defined as a tensor product, that would mean that each of both particle's quantum state is independent of the other one. Since it can't there, the states are linked, entangled if you will. If you'd be able to measure both spins at the same time, they would always return opposite spins. Also, there's nothing that travels inbetween the two particles, it just seems to work like that. How, I can't tell you, since I'm not that quite stellar in quantum physics.

Speaking of quantum physics...

OT: the OP's little video reminded me of the Powers of Ten
 

cookyy2k

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Nocta-Aeterna said:
rutger5000 said:
cookyy2k said:
rutger5000 said:
(As far as I know, I'm not that familiar with EPR Paradoxes (Einstein, Plank and someone?))And when a new theory doesn't explain more then the old one, but requires extra assumptions, then it ought to be rejected.
The EPR paradoxes are all quantum mechanical effects that break realativity by allowing signals to travel faster than light. The more famed example is quantum entanglement. If you remove 2 electrons from an atom in the same quantum state except for spin from an atom and sperate them as far apasrt as you want if you cause the spin of one to "flip" (turn it's spin from + to - or - to +) the other will instantaneously flip too so that they're always opporsite spin. This information is infinately fast as nomatter the distance it always takes no time for the other to react. This is why the idea of Quantum computing is so tantelising, you can have the signals in your computer being instantaneous.

We tend to keep hold of old theories even if they do prove to be wrong, since they're ringht in some situations and easier. I'm much rather be using Newton's laws to calculate orbit or motion than realitivity in situations where I can because it's a hell of a lot easier and faster.
Wait I'm getting confused here. I know what your talking about, and I've heard it before. But it was from my understanding that charges 'communicate' with each other by the use of photons (one charge 'knows' that another charge is there because of photons being ..... (can't finish that sentence)). And that it works similairly for masses and the Higgs Boson. But what particle is traveling at infinite speed to get the message across that one spin has been flipped? It couldn't be a photon, that would violate electrodynamics.
Quantum entanglement doesn't quite work like that. First of all, it's not like two random electrons taken from any atom will be entangled. Usually it's one particle with spin 0 that disintergrates into two spin 1/2 particles. These particles are entangled in a state that can not be defined as a tensor product of two different one-particle states (a*up+b*down)*(c*up+d*down), the simplest entangled state the singlet state (1/square root 2)*(up*down-down*up). If it could be defined as a tensor product, that would mean that each of both particle's quantum state is independent of the other one. Since it can't there, the states are linked, entangled if you will.
Go see http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/quant-ph/pdf/0105/0105025v2.pdf for them talking about doubly ionising a helium atom to get spin entangeled electrons:

In this report we have shown that the non-orthogonality of entangled electron wave functions and the change of a spin state of electrons substantially influence the properties of the correlation function. By neglecting the Coulomb repulsion of released electrons and, as a consequence, change of the correlation of momenta after ionization, we suppose that
the electrons form an entangled pair either in spin (singlet state) or momentum (triplet state) space and compare the calculated correlation function with the results of experiments. Theory and experiment agree when singlet and triplet states are equally probable.

Nocta-Aeterna said:
If you'd be able to measure both spins at the same time, they would always return opposite spins. Also, there's nothing that travels inbetween the two particles, it just seems to work like that. How, I can't tell you, since I'm not that quite stellar in quantum physics.
Their is something that travells beteween the particles, information,one has to "inform" the other to flip it's spin. A consequence of relativity as it stands is no information can travel faster than c, So either QM is not quite right or relativity isn't.
 

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Raiyan 1.0 said:
Do you know that honey badgers are the most batshit insane and dangerous creatures on planet Earth?

It's true. O_O
Hippos. also, The fact sphere is always right.
 

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This terrifies me beyond belief.

I'm so tiny... we're all so damned tiny. How are we even still here?

Damn space...
 

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briunj04 said:
A lot of people find our own insignificance in the grand scheme of things in the universe pretty frightening, but I find it pretty comforting actually. No matter how badly I or the world screws things up, in the end it doesn't really affect anything. We may kill ourselves off, destroy Antarctica, and end up punching baby seals in the face, but the universe will just proceed no matter what we do. The only thing I find kind of disappointing is the fact that the other life out there in the universe (yes, because I swear, other life in the universe better exist or I'm gonna be majorly depressed (-_-)) may never hear about the icons from our world. Mario may be one of the most recognizable characters on Earth, but no one else out there will ever know about his legacy. It's a silly thing to worry about, but I do anyways.
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Anonymoustache said:
This terrifies me beyond belief.

I'm so tiny... we're all so damned tiny. How are we even still here?

Damn space...
As far as I can tell, there's more stuff inside a single atom than in the known universe. I like to look at it this way


Feel any better?