WoW Player Claims Kicked from Guild for Being Deaf

[Danceofmasks]

What really bugs me is how this singles out the guild as people who hate the disabled. Like they are cripple hating jerks. They're not, they are just following the principles that made raiding guilds what they are. And if you cannot get the information you need in split seconds, then you can cause wipes.

To quote William Trottier, "Sometimes the words 'its only a game' seem frighteningly lame."

I think the point is being missed.

It doesn't matter what you do, from running a business to being a member of a 10-pin bowling team to baking cookies for a charity drive.
No individual has the right to screw up EVERYONE ELSE's efforts.

 

[Vaccine]

I'd rather take a deaf person who can act under the pressure of a raid, than someone who can't.

Was it a real justifiable reason to kick him? of course not, if it was causing issues for the rest of the raid, a real guild leader would have taken him aside and discussed the issue with him and maybe worked something out.

Sad to say; that guild leader is terrible and clearly incapable if dealing with issues involving other players.

 

[Caiti Voltaire]

What really bugs me is how this singles out the guild as people who hate the disabled. Like they are cripple hating jerks. They're not, they are just following the principles that made raiding guilds what they are. And if you cannot get the information you need in split seconds, then you can cause wipes.

To quote William Trottier, "Sometimes the words 'its only a game' seem frighteningly lame."

I think the point is being missed.

It doesn't matter what you do, from running a business to being a member of a 10-pin bowling team to baking cookies for a charity drive.
No individual has the right to screw up EVERYONE ELSE's efforts.

Cause its SERIOUS BUSINESS AMIRITE?

I mean honestly, this isn't life or death we're talking about. You die in a game, you respawn, you deal with it. God knows how many times I died because the random team I got in Guild Wars consisted of idiots.

But this is why I avoid games like WoW. The competetive mindsets of these people is completely and utterly dehumanizing and I want as little to do with it as possible.

 

[Arehexes]

They should have at least given the kid a chance, I have raided plenty of times without vent. Sad stuff.

To quote this deaf kid's own post

He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once.

He did something with the guild leader to make him mad, he isn't telling what he did with him.

 

[Nautical Honors Society]

They should have at least given the kid a chance, I have raided plenty of times without vent. Sad stuff.

To quote this deaf kid's own post

He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once.

He did something with the guild leader to make him mad, he isn't telling what he did with him.

Good point...the deaf kid could have said some harsh stuff i guess.

 

[Arehexes]

I'd rather take a deaf person who can act under the pressure of a raid, than someone who can't.

Was it a real justifiable reason to kick him? of course not, if it was causing issues for the rest of the raid, a real guild leader would have taken him aside and discussed the issue with him and maybe worked something out.

Sad to say; that guild leader is terrible and clearly incapable if dealing with issues involving other players.

He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once.

That was in the deaf kid's post, he must have did something with the guild leader to piss him off. From what he posted he told he wasn't allowed to raid, and he was pissed and had a blow out with the guild master which got him kicked. As said before this is a really one sided story.

 

[Danceofmasks]

I mean honestly, this isn't life or death we're talking about. You die in a game, you respawn, you deal with it.

And, the person who messes up orders repeatedly? Just step in and deal with it.
And, the person who bowls 5 gutterballs in a row? Just go home. It's just a game.
And, the person who puts a pound of salt in that batch of cookies? It isn't life or death.

Raids are NOT NECESSARY things to do in WoW.

 

[Caiti Voltaire]

It's no less serious than professional sports.

You're letting what is getting attention get in the way of the big picture. The competitive scene is VERY small in World of Warcraft. But it gets a lot of attention for both its notoriety and achievements. But I can tell you from experience that most people who play the game don't have the competitive mindset that these guilds have and it is incredibly easy to find casual guilds.

And hopefully, this kid will find a much better guild that will prove to make his experience better, but it doesn't make the behaviours displayed any less narcissistic or reprehensible.

And, the person who messes up orders repeatedly? Just step in and deal with it.
And, the person who bowls 5 gutterballs in a row? Just go home. It's just a game.
And, the person who puts a pound of salt in that batch of cookies? It isn't life or death.

Raids are NOT NECESSARY things to do in WoW.

Precisely. I'm glad someone else participating in this discussion grasps that.

 

[Arehexes]

They should have at least given the kid a chance, I have raided plenty of times without vent. Sad stuff.

To quote this deaf kid's own post

He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once.

He did something with the guild leader to make him mad, he isn't telling what he did with him.

Good point...the deaf kid could have said some harsh stuff i guess.

See we don't know what happened to get him kicked, it's his word only. We don't have the guild leaders side of the story. And it seems most people are just skimming and then raging about how the leader is a dick for kicking out the deaf kid for no reason, when the problem is the deaf kid said they had a falling out but won't say who started it or what happened.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

I'd also like to make clear that the VAST majority of posts in the thread find the guild leader's actions utterly reprehensible, and in no way is he representative of a typical WOW guild.

My guild is very casual, but we've still managed to do basic raiding without vent, before you pull you say 'stand there, dont stand there, when this happens do this, we all ready? ok, go pull.'

you don't need external software of any kind, some addons can really help I admit. Voice chat is nice, yet it's in now way essential.

I'm sure by now he's found a decent guild willing to take him on.

 

[Composer]

can someone tell me what vent is?

 

[MentalBakura]

That's really pathetic that the guild didn't make an exception for him. Especially because their hugely inflated egos seem to have lead them to believe that their guild's progress is SERIOUS BUSINESS, even though they've cleared pretty much fuck all.

And yeah, so he said some harsh words to piss his guild leader off. Wouldn't you be angry too though, if your supposed friends did this?

Anyway, I'm sure he'll find a guild that's actually worth his time.

 

[Doctor Glocktor]

can someone tell me what vent is?

Voice chat.

 

[Arehexes]

I mean honestly, this isn't life or death we're talking about. You die in a game, you respawn, you deal with it.

And, the person who messes up orders repeatedly? Just step in and deal with it.
And, the person who bowls 5 gutterballs in a row? Just go home. It's just a game.
And, the person who puts a pound of salt in that batch of cookies? It isn't life or death.

Raids are NOT NECESSARY things to do in WoW.

Eh if a person puts a pound of salt in cookies and someone has high blood pressure that would be bad. But lets continue your little "dance".

And, the person give someone a seafood dish and the someone is allergic to it, eh just deal with it he is just having a reaction to it.

And, the person at the life guard stand has poor eye sight and can't tell if the kid if drowning or not and he dies, oh well that's life.

Raids my not be necessary, but that guild saw it as necessary, and told him he couldn't raid with them. HE got mad about that (so he must have saw it necessary) and had a "huge blow out" with the guild leader and was kicked.

 

[Danceofmasks]

It's no less serious than professional sports.

You're letting what is getting attention get in the way of the big picture. The competitive scene is VERY small in World of Warcraft. But it gets a lot of attention for both its notoriety and achievements. But I can tell you from experience that most people who play the game don't have the competitive mindset that these guilds have and it is incredibly easy to find casual guilds.

And hopefully, this kid will find a much better guild that will prove to make his experience better, but it doesn't make the behaviours displayed any less narcissistic or reprehensible.

And, the person who messes up orders repeatedly? Just step in and deal with it.
And, the person who bowls 5 gutterballs in a row? Just go home. It's just a game.
And, the person who puts a pound of salt in that batch of cookies? It isn't life or death.

Raids are NOT NECESSARY things to do in WoW.

Precisely. I'm glad someone else participating in this discussion grasps that.

I think you misunderstand me.

I've fired people for less and I've dumped teammates that can't pull their weight.
Because everyone has a CHOICE.
There are plenty of things everyone can do, and do well. BUT, you do not participate in a team effort if you CAN'T pull your weight.

Now, whether or not a deaf kid can pull his weight in raids is debatable.
Perhaps if they had run a 10-man of volunteers to see if he can take the heat .. even with simple instructions like "if in doubt, follow what the other DPS is doing."

IF he epic fails, THEN disallow him from raiding .. 'cos frankly I suspect not being given a chance was a big part of the blowout.

 

[Doctor Glocktor]

That's really pathetic that the guild didn't make an exception for him. Especially because their hugely inflated egos seem to have lead them to believe that their guild's progress is SERIOUS BUSINESS, even though they've cleared pretty much fuck all.

And yeah, so he said some harsh words to piss his guild leader off. Wouldn't you be angry too though, if your supposed friends did this?

Anyway, I'm sure he'll find a guild that's actually worth his time.

Its the guilds rule that he needed vent in order to raid. There was no need for him to do whatever he did to get kicked. He could've just let it go or just left, instead of throwing a hissy fit.